Hi all, have attuned six people to Reiki 1 and all have progressed nicely, some having problems with detoxification, others having only mild symptoms.Each student has been well informed on all information, all have had teatments prior to attunement and understood the journey.There is one student who had his attunement 8 weeks ago and had his ups and downs but came to me at the weekend and gave my daughter a treatment which was very powerful, she was delighted.Since this he has gone into a deep depression and has been physically very unwell.He phoned me tonight and said he wants me to remove the attunement as he feels suicidal, I have asked him to call to me tomorrrow, what do I do now?:(
Oh dear, never heard of a removal of attunement, is there actually such a thing?
never heard of it either Jeanine:(
If the person is so adamant to have the attunement 'removed' maybe you could just make something up.
'If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull****' Oh er that sounds dreadful but you know some things just need to be done and if it puts him back on track again, job well done,.
Jeannie, thanks for your input BUT I could never do this, and JUST FOR TODAY 'HONESTY'. I need to know why this has happened? and what to do for him
Have you thought that is may have nothing to do with the Reiki attunement? He may just have issues that have come to the surface because they need to, like a plaster being ripped off a wound, it needs to be aired to heal.
Why dont you ask him to come to you for some free reiki treatments, tell him they will help to settle his mind and that maybe all he needs.
Have you thought that is may have nothing to do with the Reiki attunement? He may just have issues that have come to the surface because they need to, like a plaster being ripped off a wound, it needs to be aired to heal.
Why dont you ask him to come to you for some free reiki treatments, tell him they will help to settle his mind and that maybe all he needs.
This is exactly what Im thinking Isis, and he knew this could happen but he is adament on reversing the attunement
You could always send him mental and emotional healing to begin with. If you send it now and ask for his higher self to accept or reject etc, etc it may help lift his mood.
I've never come across anyone asking for an attunement to be removed so havent any experience there but would suggest that you talk to your student tomorrow and see if you can find out why he thinks its the reiki that has brought all this up. Has he a history of depression, or have these feelings surfaced before.
I'd also immediately offer him a reiki healing treatment and try to encourage him to come and visit you as soon as possible both to chat and for treatment.
(we did have one student who went through a bout of depression foillowing master attunement and found that being there at end of phone and offering treatment on regular basis helped her get through it.
I'd also be very concerned if your student is actually threatening suicide. Ring Samaritans and tell them about your fears and they will advise you. Also try to encourage your student to call them.
Every threat should be taken seriously and if you dont have access to clinical supervision Star then Samaritans are the next best.
Thinking of you
Just tell him that the healing crisis IS something everyone will go through to some degree or another that as his Reiki Master your advice is that he must go through a series of Reiki sessions himself, do them for free if you have to.
Explain that in removing an attunement (if it is possible) he is asking you to remove his natural ability to heal and this in effect is invasive, something you are not comfortable, able, ethically bound (whatever you like) to do and that he needs to take time to let it settle in.
OR as an alternative, if he is even hinting at it not being done properly due to how he feels then offer to do it again.... just some ideas but i think offering Reiki is the best way to go xx
Just tell him that the healing crisis IS something everyone will go through to some degree or another that as his Reiki Master your advice is that he must go through a series of Reiki sessions himself, do them for free if you have to.
Explain that in removing an attunement (if it is possible) he is asking you to remove his natural ability to heal and this in effect is invasive, something you are not comfortable, able, ethically bound (whatever you like) to do and that he needs to take time to let it settle in.
OR as an alternative, if he is even hinting at it not being done properly due to how he feels then offer to do it again.... just some ideas but i think offering Reiki is the best way to go xx
Thank you for this, yes I may do it again, just to add this person has been a client of mine for quite a while who came initially for EFT to deal with past issues and had been so well and so happy with the results.Personally I feel the attunement has brought the remaining issues to the surface to be healed
Difficult situation, but I do recall reading about depression and any treatment could be a trigger. Often people who are depressed will 'blame' a treatment, incident, situation for their latest bout of illness, rather than accepting that this is the illness - if you know what I mean.
Did you get his GP's details when you took the person on? You could ring to advise that your client has a problem and seek their advice and inform them of the situation you find yourself in. Their advice would probably to ask your client to call immediatly at their surgery, or make their way to their nearest A & E. The client may have a history which may/may not have shared with you, the client may already having contact with a particular agency? If the client is taking medication, have they altered their dosage? Just a few thoughts.
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Fudge
Difficult situation, but I do recall reading about depression and any treatment could be a trigger. Often people who are depressed will 'blame' a treatment, incident, situation for their latest bout of illness, rather than accepting that this is the illness - if you know what I mean.
Did you get his GP's details when you took the person on? You could ring to advise that your client has a problem and seek their advice and inform them of the situation you find yourself in. Their advice would probably to ask your client to call immediatly at their surgery, or make their way to their nearest A & E. The client may have a history which may/may not have shared with you, the client may already having contact with a particular agency? If the client is taking medication, have they altered their dosage? Just a few thoughts.
Please accept a big hug from me.
Fudge
Thank you Fudge, much appreciated, yes have GP letter as I am quite friendly with His GP, he is not on any meds and prior coming to me he had lots of tests done and I have a copyof his results which were all clear.
Hi Star
You have put up the solution to your dilemma in one of your posts.
Ask him if he is sure that he want to be disconnected from the Reiki modality and if he insists on you as the person who put the attunement into him removing it, then that is his choice which you must respect, just reverse the attunement procedure and remove the symbols in stead of inserting them, this will disconnect him from the Reiki modality. 🙂
Hi Star
You have put up the solution to your dilemma in one of your posts.
Ask him if he is sure that he want to be disconnected from the Reiki modality and if he insists on you as the person who put the attunement into him removing it, then that is his choice which you must respect, just reverse the attunement procedure and remove the symbols in stead of inserting them, this will disconnect him from the Reiki modality. 🙂
Hi Paul, I did not realise you could do this, he was so happy immediately after the attunement, and I am in close contact with him alot.He is coming to me today so if he insists I will remove it, I will chat with him and see how he feels today, thanks 🙂
Hi all, have attuned six people to Reiki 1 and all have progressed nicely, some having problems with detoxification, others having only mild symptoms.Each student has been well informed on all information, all have had teatments prior to attunement and understood the journey.There is one student who had his attunement 8 weeks ago and had his ups and downs but came to me at the weekend and gave my daughter a treatment which was very powerful, she was delighted.Since this he has gone into a deep depression and has been physically very unwell.He phoned me tonight and said he wants me to remove the attunement as he feels suicidal, I have asked him to call to me tomorrrow, what do I do now?:(
He can either co-operate or cop out.
Firstly, being in a closed heart and fighting the current is enough to ''un attune'' him, Tell him he does not need your help. he is doing just fine on his own! but that does not mean the depression will go and he will bounce back to being normal. It just means he is blocking energy quite efficiently! All energetic exchange has deep trust, gratitude at the heart. More so for some(the higher they move, more of that ios needed). He seems like a real seeker to me
second, it is also bringing up your deep fears to the surface too. It is clearing you as well.Sit with your own concerns and fears. See clearly that when people are doing great or otherwise, it is nothing to do with you. A certain detachment is looking to happen, which is the next step on your journey perhaps? Once your own fears/attachment are out of the way, the situation will clear
Third, it seems the boy is on a deeper quest than meets the eye. He is gone past Reiki, looks like activated kundalini, which can play havoc if one does not know about open hearted acceptance, surrender and gratitude. He needs guidance from that perspective... somewhat urgently.
Jnani, thank you, yes I did initially haave fears etc but the more I think of it I know Im ok.
What do I suggest if he is indeed gone beyond Reiki, as I would not be familiar with Kundalini
Hi Star
Paul's (and your) solution to "reverse the attunement procedure" may actually work on a psychological level - if it is really the Reiki that is the cause of this depression (or if your student believes it is).
However, can anyone really de-attune someone to something we all already had before the attunement? In my understanding, an attunement simply increases our awareness of something we all already have, thereby enabling us to use this awareness to help ourselves and others. Many believe Reiki to be our true nature or our Divine Spark or similar term. Once we become aware of it, how easy can it be to become unaware of a thing that is such an essential part of us (and everything else: if Reiki is Universal it must be everywhere, yes?)? I am sure many of us know how difficult it becomes not to notice a tiny flaw or blemish on something once we have been made aware of it. Unfortunately, I don't think our awareness of Reiki can be removed quite so easily as a smudge or mark can be wiped away or a blemish repaired.
I would be very surprised if giving a successful Reiki treatment to someone could cause a bout of depression in the practitioner. However, if the form of giving a Reiki session involved the practitioner opening themselves up to allow something external to flow through them then there is always the chance that something less benign than Reiki could enter. Hawayo Takata said that the "true energy" lies within and I also believe that Reiki emanates from within.
I would suggest that they discuss their feelings with a person who is qualified to deal with people in depressive states. The use of more Reiki in this instance may only serve to aggravate the situation if the student believes Reiki to be the cause of the depression (although in reality it would almost certainly help them understand that Reiki is not the cause and would return them to a state of balance).
Unfortunately, depression is a very common occurrence nowadays but, as someone else mentioned, the actual cause of it may not be what the sufferer believes it to be.
Ai to hikari
Colin
He would never have had depression but had some issues from childhood which we used many EFT sessions for, he also had reiki treatments in btween.He said he had his life back and decided he would like to do reiki level 1.I actually gave him his manual well before the class and went through any questions he had beforehand.He has been attuned about 8 weeks now and said his life was wonderful but this change only happened after he gave my daughtere a treatment on Sunday evening, not immediately afterwards but within a few days
Jnani, thank you, yes I did initially haave fears etc but the more I think of it I know Im ok.
What do I suggest if he is indeed gone beyond Reiki, as I would not be familiar with Kundalini
Check within to see how you feel about walking with him any further. Do you feel, this is it. or you feel you will be able to help him with his symptoms and mind states?
If you feel for some reason, you can or can't help him. Honour that.
Once you are clear within, you will know, the right person/situation will come about if thats what need to happen
Hi Colin
Paul's (and your) solution to "reverse the attunement procedure" may actually work on a psychological level - if it is really the Reiki that is the cause of this depression (or if your student believes it is).
However, can anyone really de-attune someone to something we all already had before the attunement? In my understanding, an attunement simply increases our awareness of something we all already have, thereby enabling us to use this awareness to help ourselves and others. Many believe Reiki to be our true nature or our Divine Spark or similar term. Once we become aware of it, how easy can it be to become unaware of a thing that is such an essential part of us (and everything else: if Reiki is Universal it must be everywhere, yes?)? I am sure many of us know how difficult it becomes not to notice a tiny flaw or blemish on something once we have been made aware of it. Unfortunately, I don't think our awareness of Reiki can be removed quite so easily as a smudge or mark can be wiped away or a blemish repaired.
We are all an integral part of the Oneness, the healing modalities are created within the oneness to help people to heal and come to terms with themselves, before Usui created the Reiki modality it did not exist before that time but the Oneness of consciousness that it uses as the driving force did, the Reiki modality is not the Oneness, so no nobody has Reiki until it is given to them.
The removal of the Reiki modality from someones existence will not disconnect them from what they already are within the Oneness, it will simply remove the healing modality, the person will remain complete within the Oneness without the addition of the Reiki modality.
It is the Reiki modality that is triggering the inner conflicts within this persons consciousness that need resolving, the solution is to either heal and resolve the issues which are being triggered as an outward sign of an internal problem, or the remove the thing which is triggering the manifestations.
As far as I know, there is no teaching within the Western versions of Reiki which deals directly in a meaningful way to solve this type of inner conflict, so that leaves Star with one solution, to comply with what the person has asked for and de-attune them from the Reiki modality by using the reverse procedure and reversing the intention from giving the attunement to removing the attunement.
This will not resolve their inner conflicts, but neither will just leaving them with a trigger and doing nothing to resolve what is being triggered, but it will stop the conflicts being constantly triggered and the person can in a day or two go back to their chosen way of being.
He would never have had depression but had some issues from childhood which we used many EFT sessions for, he also had reiki treatments in btween.He said he had his life back and decided he would like to do reiki level 1.I actually gave him his manual well before the class and went through any questions he had beforehand.He has been attuned about 8 weeks now and said his life was wonderful but this change only happened after he gave my daughtere a treatment on Sunday evening, not immediately afterwards but within a few days
Sorry I didn't read this one before. This certainly tells me that it is kundalini and he is wading in deeper waters than what Reiki can handle
I'm sorry to hear that. 🙁
I don't even know if its possible to remove an attunement, is it? Has he received healing on himself to help clear any rising debris?
I would advise him to seek help for the depression though.
Thinking of you and sending love & light.
Hi all, have attuned six people to Reiki 1 and all have progressed nicely, some having problems with detoxification, others having only mild symptoms.Each student has been well informed on all information, all have had teatments prior to attunement and understood the journey.There is one student who had his attunement 8 weeks ago and had his ups and downs but came to me at the weekend and gave my daughter a treatment which was very powerful, she was delighted.Since this he has gone into a deep depression and has been physically very unwell.He phoned me tonight and said he wants me to remove the attunement as he feels suicidal, I have asked him to call to me tomorrrow, what do I do now?:(
Give him between 3-5 healings and see if that helps. I feel like her healing triggered memories for him in some way, that are painful. He needs to learn to detach from people when he is healing them, so he doesn't take on their pain. Lots of self-healing using emotional energy would be good for him and lots of meditation focusing on the tanden 3cm below the navel (as in Hatsu Rei Ho) which is grounding. Hope that helps. Best wishes. 🙂
Well said Psychic Oracle 😀
I thought along the same lines yesterday when I re-read this post. He was doing great until he gave the healing to your daughter.
He has been attuned about 8 weeks now and said his life was wonderful but this change only happened after he gave my daughtere a treatment on Sunday evening, not immediately afterwards but within a few days
I'd definitely push the emotional healing too. ( I did mention it in post 8 earlier)
Thinking of you x
Hi all, just to update, my client arrived and we both felt that reversing the attunement was the proper thing to do, Paul thank you for clarifying this for me in your post, while my only wish was for him to be the priority here it was his right to have as he felt guided to.Prior to this we discussed more healing etc but in the end De-attuning was the right thing to do and I merely took out the symbols in the order of the initiation.He felt a little sad and disappointed with himself but he symptoms were improving within a few hours and he is in a much better place, he may have the initiation again at a later date who knows,Im glad I have learned something here and following your own intuition and putting your client first is the proper way to go.
Well done Star, I am sure that you will continue to help him and he will feel more secure with you now. 🙂
Thanks Paul, he has just informed that he has bought a one way ticket to China so I wish him the best, each day brings its own surprises 🙂 and events
You sure know how to treat the boys. :D:rollaugh:
:D:D, I know, its a bit far allright to get away from me:D, Im a powerful woman.
Glad you got sorted and hope everything settles well for the client.
I must say reading through some of the replies and this thing called kundalini has rather disturbed me a bit.
😮