Hi All
A little new to Reiki, which I only really came across properly as a friend had his attunement done recently.
Just a quick question is Reiki initiation the same as Shaktipat the same transmission of energy that awakens the Kundalini that spiritual meditation masters give?
Also can bad energy/karma be transmitted from a reiki master to receipent. I know the energy itself is pure and good, but it has to pass through a person so just curious?
Some great threads on here so I'll keep searching through them to get a better understanding of all of this.
Thanks from a complete novice.
H
Hi Hambo,
An interesting question.
I have to say I'm not familiar with Shaktipat, although based on your brief description I would say it sounds like something a little different.
A Reiki attunement is a simple method of bringing the recipient into tune with the energies of the universe, allowing them to be connected and channel the energy through themselves.
Some may associate that with awakening kundalini or opening of chakras, but these things are not part of original Usui Reiki teachings, but are more beliefs and systems that have been associated and added through other cultures and people as Reiki has spread in the West.
Also can bad energy/karma be transmitted from a reiki master to receipent. I know the energy itself is pure and good, but it has to pass through a person so just curious?
If the intent of the Reiki practitioner is pure then the Reiki being given is pure. As with most things in life though, if the intent is not good then that intent could also be passed onto the other person depending on how accepting their energy system is of that.
Reiki was primarily taught as a method of self improvement; the ability to give it to others being an added bonus. Being a practitioner of Reiki is not just (or should not just be) a case of getting attuned and going out there treating other people. A good Reiki practitioner will live and breath Reiki, and do self healing to ensure that they themselves are as well as can be.
All Love and Reiki Hugs
I ask the question because the person that I know who had it done told me how he felt the energy within move to his crown chakra and has had so many spiritual experiences. I know shaktipat is for awakening this energy and if your not prepared mentally, physically etc it can cause problems for the recipient.
But reiki does sound interesting to me, at least because I've read a few threads on here on how many describe it as the start of a beautifiul journey. Just wondered if there was such a thing as a person who has initiation done whereby they don't go through such experiences.
Hambo, I am familiar with the concept of shaktipat and I have also been attuned to Reiki Level 2. I would say that the two are completely different, but would be hard pressed to define just why and how. They're just....different.
xxx
I ask the question because the person that I know who had it done told me how he felt the energy within move to his crown chakra and has had so many spiritual experiences. I know shaktipat is for awakening this energy and if your not prepared mentally, physically etc it can cause problems for the recipient.
Good point, Hambo, and one which many teachers don't consider, imho. I have heard terrible stories about students being awakened and their teachers being next to useless guiding them through it. A friend underwent terrible fears and psychic scares with her 2nd degree... all the teacher recommended was to stand under a cold shower... :rolleyes:
But reiki does sound interesting to me, at least because I've read a few threads on here on how many describe it as the start of a beautifiul journey. Just wondered if there was such a thing as a person who has initiation done whereby they don't go through such experiences.
I had my intunement last week Hambo and although i have have had some physical experiences i have not had any spiritual ones yet. Whether that is because i am fairly spiritual already remains to be seen. My Reiki Master told me that the spirituality part comes more with Reiki 11.
Hi Hambo,
Just an instinctive answer here, but I would say the difference in Reiki Initiation and Awakening Ma Shakti is that Reiki Awakening is coming through the crown from a external (universal) source, so a downward flow of energy, and Awakening the Shakti is coming from the base chakra and from within, and raising it up through the crown to the source. Differences in direction of energy flow, which I guess is contributory to how the recipient(s) react to this....
However, I could be wrong!!
Dipti x
Dipti,
I am also not aware about Shaktipat but you answer seems to be appropriate... I think Shaktipat is more like meditation on Shakti , The Power,
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Nitin
Thanks that makes a little more sense to me. So in theory it might mean that reiki attunement although powerful in helping someone to awaken is not quite to the same extent/awakening as in Shaktipat with the Kundalini. Just that I'm aware there's lots of preparation an aspirant needs to do for Shaktipat and it seems that anyone can have Reiki attunement done.
For me the whole thing is just aweinspiring. I just wonder as a meditator myself if a reiki attuned person has an easier time meditating and experiencing things than a non-reiki person.
Thanks for your kind replies all 🙂
Hi Hambo,
Just an instinctive answer here, but I would say the difference in Reiki Initiation and Awakening Ma Shakti is that Reiki Awakening is coming through the crown from a external (universal) source, so a downward flow of energy, and Awakening the Shakti is coming from the base chakra and from within, and raising it up through the crown to the source. Differences in direction of energy flow, which I guess is contributory to how the recipient(s) react to this....
However, I could be wrong!!
Dipti x
Thanks that makes a little more sense to me. So in theory it might mean that reiki attunement although powerful in helping someone to awaken is not quite to the same extent/awakening as in Shaktipat with the Kundalini. Just that I'm aware there's lots of preparation an aspirant needs to do for Shaktipat and it seems that anyone can have Reiki attunement done.
For me the whole thing is just aweinspiring. I just wonder as a meditator myself if a reiki attuned person has an easier time meditating and experiencing things than a non-reiki person.
Thanks for your kind replies all 🙂
Reiki people are taught self-healing, which involves giving themselves a Reiki treatment. I feel that Reiki also brings you into the spiritual realm if you are not already there, and brings ever new healings and experiences.
For anyone not familiar with the word 'shaktipat', is the wikipedia link. Thus you see, Nitin, that shaktipat means more than simply meditation on shakti. Furthermore shaktipat is a state, possibly temporary, possibly permanent (depending on the recipient and the bestower) which is given to a spiritual aspirant by a master (guru), often by physical means, such as a blow or a touch, occasionally simply by a look.
HTH
Hey Sunanda,
Thanks for the valuable information
For me the whole thing is just aweinspiring. I just wonder as a meditator myself if a reiki attuned person has an easier time meditating and experiencing things than a non-reiki person.
Thanks for your kind replies all 🙂
Hi Hambo
I just wanted to add, for me Reiki is an amazing aid to meditation and relaxation. I began practicing yoga and meditation many years ago, but I fell out of regular practice for a few years when I was studying for my degree. Then I had terrible trouble getting back into it, I found it very difficult to relax and let go.
Whenever I heal myself with Reiki now (after several months of practicing self-healing), I go into a very deep state of relaxation, I don't even really have to try I just lay my hands on myself and it just comes... everything relaxes and my mind just empties, it is blissful!
Thanks George. For me personally it would be the only reason I would consider reiki if it could help me go deeper into meditation and for my own spiritual evolution. My scepticsm though is around transferance of energy from a reiki master to receipient as I understand that it can also entail taking on part of that masters karma (I have enough of my own to contend with lol). I know the energy itself is pure but it does have to pass through a person first. My analogy is like clean water running through a rusty tap if that makes any sense.
But this is an area that interests me and clearly I have loads of reading and research to do first before deciding if it's for me.
Hi Hambo
I just wanted to add, for me Reiki is an amazing aid to meditation and relaxation. I began practicing yoga and meditation many years ago, but I fell out of regular practice for a few years when I was studying for my degree. Then I had terrible trouble getting back into it, I found it very difficult to relax and let go.
Whenever I heal myself with Reiki now (after several months of practicing self-healing), I go into a very deep state of relaxation, I don't even really have to try I just lay my hands on myself and it just comes... everything relaxes and my mind just empties, it is blissful!
Thanks George. For me personally it would be the only reason I would consider reiki if it could help me go deeper into meditation and for my own spiritual evolution. My scepticsm though is around transferance of energy from a reiki master to receipient as I understand that it can also entail taking on part of that masters karma (I have enough of my own to contend with lol). I know the energy itself is pure but it does have to pass through a person first. My analogy is like clean water running through a rusty tap if that makes any sense.
But this is an area that interests me and clearly I have loads of reading and research to do first before deciding if it's for me.
Where did you get the idea from that Reiki entails taking on someone else's karma?
I do use the water through a rusty tap analogy myself, with the meaning that as we become attuned to Reiki gradually, through 3 (or 4) levels, and at the end our tap is fully open. Reiki cannot harm you. It does not pick up debris or spiritual "gunge" on the way!
I've also never heard that any Reiki initiation involves taking on part of the Master's karma. This doesn't sound right at all. But equally I wouldn't get attuned to Reiki just to go deeper into meditation. I don't think there's any need to use Reiki in this way. Just my humble opinion.
xx
Diane Stein has written that, during an attunement a piece of karma is removed and grounded from the recipient's aura, but that's the only reference I can find for the transference of karma during an attunement.
Yes I was told by an enlightened master who informed me that there is some transferrence of Karma or when someone does reiki on you as you are shifting energy. That's where I got it from unless I misunderstood what was said.
However, Sunanda my thinking was that if Reiki can help to subside the thought process and diminish this whilst one is meditating then that has to be a good thing. Although you are saying that's not necessarily the case with everyone.
Yes I was told by an enlightened master who informed me that there is some transferrence of Karma or when someone does reiki on you as you are shifting energy. That's where I got it from unless I misunderstood what was said.
So what your master was saying is that a piece of karma is being transferred -from you - to somewhere else, unless he specifically said it was transferred to you! The former ties in with Diane Stein's thoughts.
But energy in no way relates to karma. They are two very different things. And in fact karma is far more complicated that it is generally held to be. You need to get Venetian involved in this thread; he's very well versed in the ways of karma.
xxx
But energy in no way relates to karma. They are two very different things. And in fact karma is far more complicated that it is generally held to be. You need to get Venetian involved in this thread; he's very well versed in the ways of karma.
It looks to me as if energy of some sort is being confused with karma here. Karma is itself a form of energy, but an individual's karma, so far as I can think, is always and only the karma, good or 'negative', of that individual. An individual's karma has their personal "stamp" on it, if you like. It's like the different patterns in snowflakes: each person's karma has the pattern of themselves, which is not the "brand" or "stamp" of anyone else. So karma, as such, can't be transferred.
But I think this is all about the question of whether negative energy of another sort - such as the Reiki Master's aura or personality vibes - can be transferred. Someone above used the analogy of a rusty tap. So I suppose the question is: Does the 'rust' or imperfect personality vibrations of a Reiki Master get transferred during an attunement?
I'm the last person to ask about Reiki, but I know I've read over and over that practitioners say the answer would be no? Am I right? That the energy is external and doesn't flow through them.
.... Then again, I've only ever had one Reiki treatment, and this by a Master who also taught classes on the subject. I felt and experienced diddly-squat (absolutely nothing) but was too polite to say.
V
Yes I was told by an enlightened master who informed me that there is some transferrence of Karma or when someone does reiki on you as you are shifting energy. That's where I got it from unless I misunderstood what was said.
Hi Hambo,
This is an interesting thread and I would like to share my own thoughts on this subject:
The Reiki master/practicioner is "just" a channel of the universal energy and should not be in the position to transmit any karma, state of mind, aura etc. to the receiver, even if that would be the intention of the Reiki giver, in an attunement or in a Reiki healing session it would not be possible because Reiki is sent /given for the "greatest and highest good of the reiceiver". Let's say. if I would give you a Reiki treatment , I would always send it for your highest and greatest good. If I would intent to send/give/channel energy to you that is not accepted for YOUR highest and greatest good, it wouldn't affect you and it would actually come back to me. Our egos don't work and are or should be left aside in Reiki. We are "only" able to channel the universal energy but do not use and should not use our intends. I think that the more we are able to be free from our own thoughts, perceptions etc. as Reiki practicioners and/or masters the greater the benefit is for the receiver.
I also think that using/following the Reiki principles and the mindfulness as per Mikao Usuis teachings already gives a deeper state of meditation without being Reiki attuned.... that is my experience anyway.
A wise man once said: Where there is light there is no room for darkness.
Love
Zimba
.... Then again, I've only ever had one Reiki treatment, and this by a Master who also taught classes on the subject. I felt and experienced diddly-squat (absolutely nothing) but was too polite to say.
V
Sometimes Reiki energy works in a very subtle matter and it takes time to manifest. Perhaps you only needed very high energy frequencies that were not physically noticeable to you 🙂
Give it another try, Venetian. Happy to send you some distant healing if you wish 😉
Love
Zimba
Interesting hearing all the different responses. If only science had a machine for monitoring energy. For example getting a meditation master transferring Shaktipat to see how much energy resonates and the same for a Reiki master etc. The invisible forces that be, always has me bewildered but at the same time much intrigued.
The negative karma bit, I also asked a friend about this but he was not at all sure. But your replies have given me much to ponder.
The Reiki master/practicioner is "just" a channel of the universal energy and should not be in the position to transmit any karma, state of mind, aura etc.
"should not" perhaps being the operative phrase here...
... it would not be possible because Reiki is sent /given for the "greatest and highest good of the reiceiver".
Unless of course that the transmission of something in addition to the 'Reiki influence' was in itself to the "greatest and highest good of the reiceiver".
"should not" perhaps being the operative phrase here...
Unless of course that the transmission of something in addition to the 'Reiki influence' was in itself to the "greatest and highest good of the reiceiver".
I can go along with that. Could it perhaps be overdone, the extent to which reiki practitioners say nothing negative is transferred? Maybe not by reiki it isn't, but since all and sundry can sign up and get attuned to reiki, who's to say what else they may be giving a recipient? Even just psychologically, a receiver is by definition more-or-less saying, "OK, I'm going to be passive, and therefore receptive. Whatever you do or say is going to go deeper than normally into me now."
V
Could it perhaps be overdone, the extent to which reiki practitioners say nothing negative is transferred?
Most certainly.
Imagine, for a moment, the following scenario:
A man holds out his right hand and offers you a nutritious, delicious-looking, fresh, crisp apple.
You know that eating the apple will do you a lot of good.
However, what you don't realise is that only moments before handing you the apple, the man used his right hand to cover his mouth while coughing violently. The man has swine-flu.
But of course, you only accepted the apple from him, didn't you?
Hi All
A little new to Reiki, which I only really came across properly as a friend had his attunement done recently.
Just a quick question is Reiki initiation the same as Shaktipat the same transmission of energy that awakens the Kundalini that spiritual meditation masters give?
Also can bad energy/karma be transmitted from a reiki master to receipent. I know the energy itself is pure and good, but it has to pass through a person so just curious?
Some great threads on here so I'll keep searching through them to get a better understanding of all of this.
Thanks from a complete novice.
H
Hi Hambo
Shakti is energy and pat is transmission. All healing as we know is shaktipat.
But there is a huge gap in how it happens
Shaktipat happens, no one does it. It is something that begins to take place when a desciple is in presence of a guru. For instance a candle comes close enough to a lit one, it is lit up too. That is the alchemy of presnce (or absence) the guru has become.
You are right in asking that energy is passing through someone would it have their imprint. It certainly will no matter what people say. That is why it is of utmost importance that the guru has attained to Truth or desolved, before he starts out helping othes on their journey. That way the conduit is pure( as pure as it can get while in this consciousness, anyway)
Guru's/teacher's essence will filter down, there is no doubt about it. It is true for all energetic exchange. But the impact is felt more because of expanded consciousness of the giver. Thats all.
Shaktipat is different to Reiki and healings etc ain as much that the guru is not looking to heal you. You are healed as far as he/she is concerned. Karma is nothing, It burns with one darshan.
Karma is the first thing to burn, To even go into the debate that karma is energy or not energy or whatever else it migh tbe is futile, because the satsang(heart connection) with a guru burns karma. No more to it. You can still carry it, if you insist it is got to be harder than that. Then thats how it will be for you. Neither guru nor shaktipat can force it on you. But that is purely your own choice. But so is everything else.
Shaktipat is the end of effort because if in company of a satguru your heart begins to open, then there is no more effort needed. The whole job of meditation, devotion, prayer, healing, contemplation is to get you to a point where your heart can surrender. If that heppens, nothing else is needed. Becasue surrender is the last to happen. Meditation is not the end, its just a means and certainly it would have to go before you dive into your Self. You cannot enter home if you are attached to the path so much, which is what meditation is.The very last actless act is surrender.. It just happens. When that happens everything clicks in place.
Being with a living master is shaktipat. It is an experience like none other.It is beyond meditation, beyond karma and beyond effort.
Beautifully stated, jnani!
Your explanation is poetry and reveals much. 🙂
Absolutely marvellous jnani. Your words bring peace to my soul.
Thank you so so much for your sharing.
How do you know all that and also express it so beautifully?
Thank you for the joy that is you!