'Original 7 Level System of REIKI'

Hi Arabella,

Do you have a link to the site of the person who is teaching it and making these claims?

Usui sensei is the only one who can truly claim to have taught the original Reiki but, as he died in 1926, he's not going to be doing much teaching.

If you look at the Reiki lineage you can see that 7 level reiki system comes from the following:

Usui Sensei
Chujiro Hayashi
Hawayo Takata (who brought Reiki to the West)
Barbara Weber Ray (who developed Reiki as "The Radiance Technique"
? (the "7 Level Reiki System" was born from this)

I would be a bit suspicious as to how closely this is to the original teachings of Usui sensei, considering the lineage it has taken and the known changes that took place via Hawayo Takata and Barbara Weber Ray.

Something like Jikiden Reiki (I know about but don't do myself yet) has a lineage of:

Usui sensei
Chujiro Hayashi
Chiyoko Yamaguchi (Tadao's Mother)
Tadao Yamaguchi (Chiyoko's son)

Tadao teaches Jikiden Reiki as his mother taught it and she (who is still alive to the best of my knowledge) as Hayashi sensei taught it.

This lineage possibly has the least (if any) changes made to it since Usui sensei taight Hayashi sensei.

There is also lineages such as:

Usui sensei
Mariko Obaasan (Buddhist nun)
Dave King (who teaches Usui Do)

Dave also received teachings through the lineage of:

Usui sensei
Chujiro Hayashi
Tatsumi
Dave King

and

Usui sensei
Toshihiro Eguchi (created Tenohira Ryoho Kenkyu Kai)
Yuji Onuki
Dave King

(source information from The Reiki Sourcebook - Brownwen and Frans Stiene)

So, if you are looking for teachings as close as possible to those of Usui sensei, it is best to seek out the lineages and decide for yourself how changed the teachings may have become down those lineages. Obviously some of the lineages died out because of the age of Usui sensei's students and the apparant lack of them passing on their teachings; however there is still a lot of information kept secret in the Usui Reiki Ryoho Gakkai in Japan which would no doubt further enlighten us.

Love and Reiki Hugs

P.S. the onion and garlic thing is, as far as I know, simply so that you do not offend the persons you are treating. 😉

P.P.S Welcome to Healthypages. Why not pop along to the New Members forum and introduce yourself.

Love and Reiki Hugs

Hi Arabella
Welcome to the Forum.
I took the first level of The Radiance Technique but went back to Usui Reiki when I realised just how many levels they had and how much it would cost!
I found it not much different from Usui Reiki level I at that stage.
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I've just had a quick look around for info on the 7 level system and this one seems to put it as succinctly as any...

I would however dispute the accuracy of their information when they make statements of fact such as:

It came to him faster and faster, till it struck him in the middle of the forehead and knocked him out. He then saw millions of bubbles, all the colours of the rainbow, and then a screen of white light on which the seven Reiki symbols were radiating in gold. He then said, "Yes, I remember." By which he meant that he remembered being a teacher of this system in a previous life. He then reconnected to the knowledge and complete energy of the entire seven level system of Reiki.

In all the research I've covered I have come across similar descriptions before, but nobody can claim any source for the information that Usui sensei a) was (very specifically) struck in the middle of the forehead b) saw millions of rainbow coloured bubbles c) saw 7 reiki symbols d) said any specific wording such as "Yes, I remember" let alone the interpretations of what he meant by it.

Of the twenty-two teachers Takata trained, twenty-one were trained up to Reiki 3B, and only one was trained in the entire seven level system. That person was Barbara Weber Ray

According to Barbara Weber Ray.
As far as can be determined, and from information given by Phyllis Furumoto (Mrs Takata's granddaughter) all students were taught in similar ways.

When Phyllis Furumoto, the head of the Reiki Alliance, called those teachers together to compare their symbols, no two symbols were the same. In contrast Ray had kept Takata's original symbols and made copies for all her students,

No symbols were identical, but they were similar, because Mrs. Takata didn't allow her students to draw them down, they were only permitted to record them in their memories. How would Barbara Ray have kept Takata's original symbols? A question to ask yourself perhaps.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking the legitimacy of the 7 Level Reiki system as an effective Reiki system, but I would say that we should, as individuals, decide for ourselves how likely it is that this system can make claims to be the ONLY original teachings of Reiki.

To me, after reading this paragraph:

One of them was Gary Samer, who went on to learn the entire seven level system. Samer completed his training with Ray in 1984. He then decided to leave 'The Radiance Technique' association and became an independent seven level system Reiki Grand Master Teacher.

I would question why he had to 'leave' the Radiance Technique and create his own system as a 'Reiki Grand Master Teacher'. A very bold title to be labelling oneself with IMHO.

Love and Reiki Hugs

Hopefully not bombarding you with too much, but here's some further key information:

Reiki in its complete and original form consists of seven levels or degrees. In this system, each level corresponds to one of the seven main chakras or energy centers of the body. Gradual alignment to the full system of Reiki acts as an ascension process through the chakras

Wow, the more you look into this the more interesting it gets.
Now Reiki is associated with Chakras? Chakras are of Indian origin whereas Usui Reiki originated in Japan.

A very good link is:

And of course James Deacons webpages with his dedicated research:
[url]Phyllis Furumoto Letter[/url]
[url]Original Reiki Information[/url]
[url]Reiki 101[/url]

I'll leave you with that.

Love and Reiki Hugs

Hi All,

I will add a bit more to the story. In 1984 I took Barbara's 3A course. At that time she was not teaching a seven level system or the Radiance technique.
During the weekend I was there after Barbara gave me the Master level attunement, that night she returned to the group and made a claim to some of her Masters that the new symbols came to her finally.

I see no coincidence that it was the very day we met. The new symbols were not something that Takata had passed to her, even though she may have implied that Takata gave her some extra information.

All Love
Patrick

I had a vision last night and Ussi Sensei came to me and told me I was his designated heir in the corporeal world and that if I spread his word on how Reiki should be done I would also ascend and become legend as he had.......

Reiki is hereby to be renamed Flakey, Fakey Reiki which in ancient Japanese means follow your heart and don't believe the hype!!

There are 309 levels and you will not achieve them in this lifetime but you may attain levels 1 thru 15 the attunements cost approx £500 each so how would you like to pay (for my new porsche) cash, visa, master card, american excuse?.... :p

Alternatively you can do the lower vibrational (Giles and Patrick I read the Seichem threads) 3 Level system and just be happy with what you have I mean why keep a use a beautiful and love filled system like Reiki when you can have the new improved version?

I am sorry I have to stop here I think I just wet myself laughing also my ribs hurt!! :015: ......

Love to you all and I hope that what ever path you follow and what ever 'level' you achieve when you come to teach make your students better than you ever were not poorer!!!

THANKYOU all for your comments, I really appreciate this feedback... especially all the research you've done Giles, thank you gratefully. I feel quite relieved having read your comments and thoughts Giles, as the research I did was quite alarming and I felt great concern regarding the system as a whole, I am angry that I have spent money on attunements and been subject to what I can only describe and WARN as money-grabbing brainwashing...

I was blasted with 'temporary' attunements which allegedly wiped out my level 1 & 2 attunements of tradional Usui reiki, I spent alot of money and I feel that the seven level system is judgemental, dogmatic and extremely intolerant of anything outside of it's 'rules'. Apparently Dr Usui speaks only to these 7 level masters and tells them clearly that the prices charged must be at the highest level (something to do with the energy???) and the prices for attunements must be at the same high level, there must only be an exchange of money ever and this exchange must of value???? I've never heard anything like before and my experience of reiki prior to the 7 level system has only ever been of tolerance, universal energy and fair exchange for services rendered...

Thanks again for the comments, thoughts and feedback - I guess I was the fool for spending all that money and being taken in by people professing to 'hear the messages directly', a lesson for me to learn from that in there, I'm sure...

Love and real REIKI blessings,
Arabella,
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I had a vision last night and Ussi Sensei came to me and told me I was his designated heir in the corporeal world and that if I spread his word on how Reiki should be done I would also ascend and become legend as he had.......

Reiki is hereby to be renamed Flakey, Fakey Reiki which in ancient Japanese means follow your heart and don't believe the hype!!

There are 309 levels and you will not achieve them in this lifetime but you may attain levels 1 thru 15 the attunements cost approx £500 each so how would you like to pay (for my new porsche) cash, visa, master card, american excuse?.... :p

Alternatively you can do the lower vibrational (Giles and Patrick I read the Seichem threads) 3 Level system and just be happy with what you have I mean why keep a use a beautiful and love filled system like Reiki when you can have the new improved version?

I am sorry I have to stop here I think I just wet myself laughing also my ribs hurt!! :015: ......

Love to you all and I hope that what ever path you follow and what ever 'level' you achieve when you come to teach make your students better than you ever were not poorer!!!

PMSL:D

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what I can only describe and WARN as money-grabbing brainwashing...

I was blasted with 'temporary' attunements which allegedly wiped out my level 1 & 2 attunements of tradional Usui reiki
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Like many here who have been teaching for over 14 years, I have performed hundreds of attunements. Every now and then I meet someone with concerns similar to yours: my attunement has been taken away.

That's very interesting and something that is just not possible.

An attunement is a combination of many factors. A person is exposed to a specific frequency but it's more than that - an attunement is not a process that is entirely external to the person receiving - it is internal as well.

The external factor of the attunement process - that of the Reiki Master performing the attunement, serves to help focus the mind of the person undergoing the process.

Through the Attuner, the attunee is able to focus his or her mind on a specific frequency of energy that does not attach itself externally to the person but rather is awakened from their inner being.

Yes, Reiki Masters perform Attunements but the truth in the attunement is in the person "receiving" is not receiving but "awakening" to the attunement process.

A Reiki attunement helps a person become more self aware. A person is able to take one more step forward in understanding themselves to a greater degree than before.

Through the attunement process, a conscious recognition of "Reiki" energy - the universal life force energy that resonates through us all, that manifests us all - awakens from within.

It's not unlike learning a language (instantaneously). Imagine for a moment for the sake of this example, I am able to give you a language (instantly). From that point onward you have that language and can and do begin using. But suddenly you, the undisciplined ignorant student refusing to obey my will and laws, disobey me. To maintain my control, take the word "the" away from the language recently given... how likely is that going to be possible? It is not.

In order for an attunement to be taken away from you, the complete experience of that attunement must be removed from your entire being. The memory needs to be removed and you also need to be restored to a timeline where the original attunement process never occurred. If any process, any element of that original experience remains within you, it was not removed.

To take away an attunement, it must have never occurred to begin with. That is the only way.

Unfortunately, your experience is not unique. You are not alone and no one should have to undergo that. Reiki is gaining a very unpleasant reputation in surrounding sister communities due to such practices.

Alternatively you can do the lower vibrational (Giles and Patrick I read the Seichem threads) 3 Level system and just be happy with what you have I mean why keep a use a beautiful and love filled system like Reiki when you can have the new improved version?

I am sorry I have to stop here I think I just wet myself laughing also my ribs hurt!! :015: ......

Aiki,

I know that I can be quite critical of some the different methods and teachers out there. When I do speak about a particular system it is because I have had a direct experience and have met the person personally.

Even though I have been critical of Helen in the Sekhem thread, I must say that the energy of the system that she teaches, is very distinct from the standard 3 level Reiki system that is generally taught. It is important to keep a good sense of humor, but at the same time still be open to something new.

Many of the people who have experienced Sekhem would testify that there is a distinction of the energy. Most all of the Sekhem Masters also taught Reiki at some point, so they do know first hand.

Most of the participants that do come to my classes are Reiki Masters and the Majority of those Masters do have a very unique experience as well and do experience an energy which is not available in most Reiki classes.

I do feel that many who take a Sekhem will also experience an energy that they had not experienced with reiki as well.

In my classes there are always a few who do not experience anything unique. Normally about 10%. So one person in about ten will typically not experience anything unique energetically. After teaching now over 25 years I have seen a pattern with that ten percent. Typically those that do not get it have a very full cup and can be quite cynical of what is being taught in the class.

The key that I found is that if a person is open to receive something beyond their reiki experience they will experience that. If a person thinks that their Reiki experience is all they need and other forms of reiki are just some sort of rip off then that is typically what they experience.

Just know that as you are laughing go into the hurt in your ribs and you may experience an energy there far beyond anything you have ever experienced as well 🙂

All Love

Patrick

Hi Patrick,

I am sure that the Sekhem Seichem SKHM is a valid healing system I was just pointing out the hypocracy of human beings allways going for the 'next best thing' and in the words of Bruce Lee 'This is like a finger pointing at the moon.... don't look at the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory!'

The real important message of my post was the last paragraph which I will repeat....

Love to you all and I hope that what ever path you follow and what ever 'level' you achieve when you come to teach make your students better than you ever were not poorer!!!

............Just know that as you are laughing go into the hurt in your ribs and you may experience an energy there far beyond anything you have ever experienced as well 🙂

I get this bit.... within my lecturing I have classes get in touch with their inner giggle and their inner punk rocker mainly because when they come across lifes ups and down I want them to say to themselves 'f**k it!' then start to laugh...... 😉

As Stephen says, you can't have attunements 'undone'. This is also something that many Tera Mai masters appear to do when they teach as you are supposedly not supposed to do other forms of Reiki if you do Tera Mai because all you need is Tera Mai and you almost have to denounce other forms. There are of course Tera Mai masters who do not follow this line of thinking and will teach and attune to Tera Mai without the 'unattunments'.

It does sound a lot like a control issue (brain washing is perhaps a little harsh). As Patrick says, this does not mean that the energy of those systems does not work or that you have thrown away money by doing those systems. You are still attuned to the energy (of that system and any former systems you have been attuned to) and can still use it in your own spiritual path and to grow within whatever you choose to do.

Before I went to learn Sekhem I had some treatments with it and found that it did feel different to the Reiki I had already learnt. My original Reiki master used to believe that there was only one Reiki energy and all the other forms were just money making schemes but I think partly she was swayed to think otherwise after I learnt Sekhem and gave her a Sekhem treatment and she felt for herself that there was a difference.

So certainly, we shouldn't knock the other systems' energies, but we should always question for ourselves the methods by which it is being taught and whether that feels right to us. What works for some does not work for others and visa versa.

Love and Reiki Hugs