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[url]Independent newspaper article ref Doctors meeting on Homeopathy[/url]

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Hi Celia

I don't seem able to access the attachment - can you reset it please!

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Sorry Caroline - it worked when I tried it on set up 😮 - try this:

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Doctors call for total NHS ban on homoeopathy

No chance, too many people support it but ultimately the industry makes a lot of money.

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Yes, lots of people say they support and have benefitted from homeopathy but sadly, they aren't always the ones that get an opportunity to speak up in a more official situation. If there was ever a time to say that you want it to still be available on the NHS, it's now! If you see anything to sign or any opportunity to make a positive comment in the near future, I would urge everyone to do so. With so many cutbacks, the outlook isn't good and to make matters worse, the government never ever seems to ask the most appropriate people for their views. i.e. homeopaths and patients! Hom

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No chance, too many people support it but ultimately the industry makes a lot of money.

Louisa, my reading of the article is that they want to ban it ==in the NHS==, not ban it per se. Meaning that you can't get free NHS homeopathy (from the homeopathic hospitals, for example). I don't see them saying that you can't practise homeopathy privately, or get treatments from a private homeopath.

But, perhaps there is a subtext in this article that that is the ultimate agenda? Maybe that's what hom is suggesting?

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Today's vote...

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This is a sad day for Homeopathy and see it as the thin end of the wedge for all other complementary treatments too.

I find it extraordinary how blinkered the medical profession is over their own pharmaceuticals that do so much damage to most people and are more often than not improperly trialled. They seem to take the advertising blurb at face value and never check the background. It has been proven several times, in different countries that when the doctors go on strike the death rate falls. To me that speaks for itself. Give me homeopathy any day! The homeopath will say soon enough if medical intervention is needed.

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Indeed Caroline - would be interesting to see what response there would be if information was published about iatrogenic disease. No doubt it would be well manipulated by those with vested interest...

Main Entry: iat·ro·gen·ic
Pronunciation: (ˌ)ī-ˌa-trə-ˈje-nik
Function: adjective
Etymology: Greek iatros physician + English -genic
Date: 1924
: induced inadvertently by a physician or surgeon or by medical treatment or diagnostic procedures

But maybe it would add some perspective?

This was just what I found on a quick google.. obviously you have to be careful what the sources are but - hmm - interesting reading. I would have preferred to find a UK source but running short on time at the moment. However, I doubt there is much difference in this area although the rate of reporting/ recording may well vary.

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BACKGROUND: The aim of this study was to estimate the incidence, main causes, and risk factors of iatrogenic disease occurring in a department of internal medicine. METHODS: Over a 1-year period, physicians systematically filled out a 2-page questionnaire for all patients admitted to the ward. A database was created and the data were statistically analyzed. Patients undergoing immunosuppressive, chemo-, or radiation therapy were excluded. Missing data were completed by reviewing the patients' charts. The patients were then divided into two groups: those with and those without iatrogenic disease. The groups were compared using several parameters including gender, age, social features, days of hospitalization, associated illness, functional status, medical impression, prognosis, associated renal or liver function impairment, drugs taken daily, and outcome. In the group with iatrogenic disease, the type, severity, and predictability were also analyzed. RESULTS: Of the 879 patients admitted to the ward, 445 completed questionnaires and were included in the study. A total of 102 patients (22.9%) developed 121 iatrogenic events. Forty-four patients (43.1%) were admitted for iatrogenic illness, 10 (9.8%) developed life-threatening events, and in 3 (6.8%) it was the cause of death. Fifty-eight patients (56.8%) registered 77 episodes of iatrogenic disease during their hospital stay, 20 (19.6%) developed life-threatening events, and 9 (11.7%) died, 4 (5.2%) of an iatrogenic cause (nosocomial infections). Significant differences were found in 20 out of 26 parameters studied (p<0.005 for all cases; 95% confidence interval). Eighteen percent of all iatrogenic disease was severe, 61.9% predictable, 54.5% avoidable, and 59% drug-related, 80% of which was due to side effects or adverse reactions. Infection and metabolic and electrolyte disorders were the most frequent effects. CONCLUSIONS: It is possible to identify risk factors for iatrogenic events. Chronically ill elderly inpatients are the main target of iatrogenic events.

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Absolutely Celia! Dr Mercola lists iatrogenic events as the third highest cause of death in USA after heart disease and cancer see .

How many have died as a result of homeopathic treatments - NONE!

I googled NHS figures and got a number of and the number of iatrogenic deaths as 90,000 annually came up. One would have to spend time collating other info, but my feeling is that it is vastly under-reported for fear of reprisals.

Sad state of affairs. And the medics at Brighton have the gall to say that homeopathic treatments may kill a patient and voted to withdraw NHS funding!!! Words fail me at their lack of logic.

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Well, the matter's not finished with yet. Although the doctors voted (not overwhelmingly) to stop homeopathy being included in any context, in medical training, it will be down to the government to decide whether or not to continue its provision on the NHS, and this final hearing has yet to happen.
There is in reality precious little funding for it anyway but the biggest changes would be the abolition of the homeopathic hospitals which would be such a shame, when they have done so much good for so long and at such little cost.
For people like myself, it would still allow me to practise, but many homeopaths live in hope of NHS funding and it would put a stop to that. I am still hopeful......Hom

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Just to conclude- against expectations perhaps, the government has currently stated that the PCTs should decide on any provision in their area of homeopathy on the NHS- so although they aren't exactly encouraging homeopathy, they aren't out to abolish it. This can only be good news and is welcomed by homeopaths in the uk. Hom

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