gallstones

Hi Lou,

This isn't about homeopathy, but I think it's tragic that people have their gall bladder taken out (!!) just because of stones. There's a natural way of getting rid of them which has worked for many and so far as I can see works every time. I've used it myself.

It involves two simple things: for three days, drink about a litre and a half to two litres of real apple juice (not concentrate but the real thing): either just buy cartons or juice your own. This dissolves the stones and makes them very soft, and can break them up. Secondly there's a stage at which you have to, at the end of that, hold your nose and drink olive oil. This expels the softened stones, or should. you'll have to do a net-search (easy) on exactly how much olive oil to take; and I think you mix it with something. TBH I simply never got to that stage: my own stones just disappeared after the apple juice stage alone.

It's so easy and simple, so look up online the whole regimen and give it a go, I'd say. So much better than having an op and having no gall bladder left.

V

Lou - its better to think of the body as a whole, and particularly with your mention of Graves, I think you would need practitioner support.

For any cleanse, all the elimination pathways need to be open, and in the case of the gall bladder you also need to think of the liver.

If you take a herbal supplement or do a cleanse when there is congestion or inflammation (for example in any of the bile ducts), you could have problems.

Preparation is key - its eliminating as far as possible the causes of the gallstones forming, opening up all the channels of elimination and keeping them open. Some recommended herbs and spices for the liver and gall bladder are just normal foods, so you can use modest amounts in your diet. A nutritionist can help with this.

You can also get a herbal formula in drop form. Its often better to take one or two drops and build up to the full dose if you need to.

You can also get complex homeopathic mixes specifically for liver and gall bladder problems from a homeopath who does complex homeopathy or from a bioresonance practitioner.

But its nudge rather than force IYKWIM, there's some simple self help measures you can do, but then I'd suggest finding a practitioner who treats the body as a whole.

Hope that helps. 🙂

Thanks!

Thanks Venetian and Rustic.

I know about the flush - I spent 2 months considering it deeply. I got all the supplies I needed and took various advice. But in the end i was worried as my stone is not a small onw. And I was advised by 2 natural doctors that the home flush may be dangerous as it could dislodge the stone and then it could become stuck.

I always choose an alternative route - I'm a reflexologist myself. But in this case it seems a little more complex. And that's why I was looking for something that could break the stone down over time and so it can release safely from the body.

I definately feel that correct preperation would be the key in this case. For sure the body needs to undo some things first before anything radical. I think I will look into Homeopathy. Rustic - which herbal drops are you referring to? There are so many things on the internet and it's hard to know what is what.

Thanks again,

Lou

The formula you're looking at using seems to be a herbal preparation. Maybe it would be better is you visited a Medical Herbalist who could prescribe you something similar, but safely and appropriately, whilst monitoring your progress. 🙂

Thanks Venetian and Rustic.

I know about the flush - I spent 2 months considering it deeply. I got all the supplies I needed and took various advice. But in the end i was worried as my stone is not a small onw. And I was advised by 2 natural doctors that the home flush may be dangerous as it could dislodge the stone and then it could become stuck.

I understand, but how about considerig the real apple juice only, not the drastic flush at the end? So far as I know it would only have the beneficial effect of softening and maybe breaking up stones?

V

Lou - if you take a herbal or nutritional supplement without dealing with the causes at the same time, chances are you will be disappointed with the results - or things may get worse. The body has to be able to use the supplement or it’s something else for it to get rid of. In a lot of cases physical herbal or nutritional supplements can’t just home in on the organ or structure we want to treat, particularly if there is any inflammation. Finding a practitioner who can help you with that will probably pay huge dividends in the long run.

Herb choices depend on what medication someone is on, and whether they have floating stool, stool colour etc. You need to have a better idea of how the liver and gall bladder are functioning, and also the gut. If you are producing insufficient bile for decent digestion you may need to change the fats you are eating temporarily to make sure you are digesting the fat soluble nutrients. You could also include plenty of whole apples in your diet, (be careful of large quantities of processed apple juice), use lemon juice and olive oil for salad dressings etc, and theoretically you are doing a very very unaggressive ongoing “cleanse.” There’s also other herbs and spices you can include that have protective effects – (turmeric, ginger etc ) and the beauty is they are readily obtainable foods. I'm not recommending anything but some surprising things may not necessarily be good long term lifestyle choice but can have a “medicinal” effect in the short term ... coffee for example may be one of them. It apparently stimulates the release of cholescystokinin (CCK), a satiety hormone and also increases gallbladder function. A phytochemical (cafestol) may affect bile cholesterol concentration and reduce synthesis of bile salts, ultimately preventing formation of gallstones. (Perhaps where the custom of having a coffee after a big meal came from).

Had 2 big attacks last year. Changed my diet but started reintroducing all foods. Now have regular discomfort in that region of my body - around my right ribs. Can feel it responding to stress.

Lou

Lou – a clue may be here. What foods did you eliminate and have now re-introduced?

The reason I ask is that some of the foods you have reintroduced may be inflammatory so that’s worth looking at – systemic inflammation is likely to be worse at your “weak spot”.

Not saying any of this is right for you, but it might give you an idea of a few of the avenues to explore with your doctor's approval and monitoring, or under the guidance of a practitioner.

Rustic 🙂

Lou, I haven't had chance to read all the previous posts but to answer your original questions:-
Herbal preparations won't be prescribed by a homeopath- only by a herbalist- as homeopathic remedies are quite different to herbal remedies.

There are homeopathic remedies that could help- you need to contact a registered homeopath for an appointment if this is the way you want to go.
Either a herbalist or a homeopath could probably give you other details of what we call a 'gallstone flush'- but it doesn't sound as if you're very keen to take this route!
HTH Hom

To add another point in answer to your questions- yes, homeopathic remedies can be safely taken under guidance of a homeopath, by anyone- with any medical conditions (can't speak for herbal). And yes, I think you should seek professional treatment rather than treat yourself on this occasion. Hom

many thanks to everyone!
I can'r reply to all as I feel overloaded right now. I'm a single mum and wiped out and don't seem to be able to keep up with emails etc!
I agree about doing an ongoing flush - definately feel its sensible. If I'm honest I dont have the time or energy to clean out a juicer machine twice a day trying to drink apple juice. I tried it, and just couldn't stick to that goal. Annoying the local health store as stopped stocking cartons of fresh apple juice. So maybe eating 2 apples a day would be an idea??
Have been adding slices of lemon to my water bottles that I carry around all day. Also a good idea?
Will seek help from therapies.
Have also found out that sulfites can harm the gallbladder and they seem to be contained in a lot of drinks and foods, so Im now trying to research that one! And hoping to achieve a realistic goal, as avoiding foods is something I find hard being on the go with a little one all the time I need to reach for things in shops to bring my blood sugar level up - it falls a lot, due to an overactive thyroid.
Well, if anyone has any more theyd like to share I'd love to hear from you.
Many many thanks - I love you all!
Loopy

Sorry if I'm repeating any advice given above, but I've not had a chance to read all the posts.

My gall blader was removed by keyhole surgery years ago, I was off work for 4 weeks, returned to work with no problems. Although I still had to keep to my low fat diet, if the fat starts increasing I have a very uncomfortable feeling, christmas mince pies and puddings are ok in moderation but over do it and I feel really ill. Too much oilly food, including fried, roasted, even natural fats are ok in moderation but then I start feeling uncomfortable, so keeping these to a minimum is a must.

As a rule of thumb to find out what was making your gall bladder protest, use the eight hour rule, think back to what you were eating 8 hours previously and hopefully you may pinpoint what is causing you concern.

Take care

Fudge

Have also found out that sulfites can harm the gallbladder and they seem to be contained in a lot of drinks and foods, so Im now trying to research that one!

There's a group of bacteria in the gut called "sulphate reducing bacteria" which take the sulphur based foods we eat and metabolise them into sulphites, many of which are toxic. Sulphates are needed for detoxification and other normal metabolic functions so a gut imbalance being a source of the sulphites and less usable sulphate can make things very difficult. Back to the gut again! Getting the gut flora back in balance may be a better option than just trying to avoid sulphites in the foods themselves.

With regard to the apple juice - commercial juices are normally pasteurised and therefore have no enzymes, and I'm not convinced that only undamaged fruit gets through the system .... so with any liver or gall bladder problems I would avoid juice (other than fresh lemon, lime and grapefruit). Also the apple juice is a source of carbohydrate which we often tend not to count because it isn't food. So fresh whole apples is probably a better bet.:)