Not really Amy, we cannot asses how someone else will perceive something unless we have a good understanding of their own personal underlying thought patterns and beliefs, the reality is that we are all different in this manner; the best we can hope to do in that way is to remember how we personally chose to feel in a similar situation that we have experienced and apply self to them!
If we are to deal with the reality and actualities of what is, then the facts are quite simply that everyone has the ability and the right to experience low self esteem and anything else they might choose to experience for themselves, simply by setting about in a positive manner to create it.
It is relatively easy to assess someone who has low self esteem, i.e. there are frequently blatant giveaway signs. Aside from how they depict themselves in speech (reflecting their thought patterns) "I will never be able to..." "I am just not good enough to.." etc there is also their behaviour which is a giveaway. Someone with high self esteem would be more likely to take responsibility for their actions.
I wasn't denying someone's 'right' to think less of themselves (what an odd concept in the first place). o_O
It is relatively easy to assess someone who has low self esteem, i.e. there are frequently blatant giveaway signs. Aside from how they depict themselves in speech (reflecting their thought patterns) "I will never be able to..." "I am just not good enough to.." etc there is also their behaviour which is a giveaway. Someone with high self esteem would be more likely to take responsibility for their actions.
Hi Amy
Yes we can perceive the symptoms that arise from any core way of being, but this still does not give us the the understanding of 'how would having low self esteem be experienced for them', even empathy can only give us a glimpse of how they are feeling right now.
I wasn't denying someone's 'right' to think less of themselves (what an odd concept in the first place). o_O
Is not this thread about overcoming negativity?
Is not expressing the symptoms of low self esteem judged to be a negative way of being that needs to be overcome?
Is not this thread about overcoming negativity?
Is not expressing the symptoms of low self esteem judged to be a negative way of being that needs to be overcome?
Yes to the first question.
This thread is merely offering solutions for someone who wants to shed their low image of themselves. It is not about 'needing' to be overcome - that is up to the person concerned.
I said, I am not denying someone's right to think less of themselves.
(How could I anyway?) We are free to be however we want to be mostly...
Good answer Amy. 🙂
Have you considered the reality of all things being creative, as opposed to all things being negative or positive?
Good answer Amy. 🙂
Have you considered the reality of all things being creative, as opposed to all things being negative or positive?
Yes reality is largely created by us and it can either serve us or be to our detriment depending on how we handle people and circumstances. Forget the labels - negative/positive - there are real consequences to actions that have various impacts on us....for better or worse. Would you disagree with that?
Yes reality is largely created by us and it can either serve us or be to our detriment depending on how we handle people and circumstances. Forget the labels - negative/positive - there are real consequences to actions that have various impacts on us....for better or worse. Would you disagree with that?
Hi Amy
Please consider that whatever we choose to create within our life experience always serves to create that experience within us, in the absence of judgments surrounding our life experience, the experience is in itself always neutral, it is the reality of what is. 🙂
So if we choose to perceive ourselves as being good enough to do something, we will set about creating the potential to experience success, in exactly the same way if we choose to perceive ourselves as not being good enough to do something, will set about creating the potential to experience failure, the creative potential is exactly the same irrespective of what we choose to create.
Now to put this into context of the discussion, someone chooses to create an experience and as long as they stay in their natural state of being open and non-judgmental, then they experience it and then set about creating the next thing for them to experience etc, but what happens when we choose to judge an aspect of our life experience, is simply that through self judgment we have inadvertently create an inner divisional conflict that locks us within that experience until we choose to accept it so that we resolve it.
Hi Amy
Please consider that whatever we choose to create within our life experience always serves to create that experience within us, in the absence of judgments surrounding our life experience, the experience is in itself always neutral, it is the reality of what is. 🙂
So if we choose to perceive ourselves as being good enough to do something, we will set about creating the potential to experience success, in exactly the same way if we choose to perceive ourselves as not being good enough to do something, will set about creating the potential to experience failure, the creative potential is exactly the same irrespective of what we choose to create.
Now to put this into context of the discussion, someone chooses to create an experience and as long as they stay in their natural state of being open and non-judgmental, then they experience it and then set about creating the next thing for them to experience etc, but what happens when we choose to judge an aspect of our life experience, is simply that through self judgment we have inadvertently create an inner divisional conflict that locks us within that experience until we choose to accept it so that we resolve it.
Well, I think we have had this conversation many times now. I realise that judgement is a taboo thing to you and I have said that there is a difference between having judgement (discernment) and being judgemental. I just don't believe someone when they say they have no judgement since we are constantly having to make choices and this we do by assessing the qualities of a given situation. The qualities are subjective and our own criteria...it's just another name for the same assessment that's all.
Hi Amy
No, I do not have a taboo with being judgmental, I accept that 100% of the people that come to us for help with long term problems surrounding past issues are experiencing the creative potential that utilising it creates within them, as well as accepting that it is a personal choice if we choose to use it or not. I accept it for what it is and what it creates. 🙂
Most people cannot perceive the difference between having the ability to simply make a choice in an open and non-judgmental way, or having to contemplate making a choice that surrounds core judgmental beliefs that they have set up for themselves, but just because you have not encountered a non-judgmental person or experienced being non-judgmental, does not equate to them not existing outside of your own life experince. 😉
I have experienced both ways of being, I remember deliberating a choice, which sometimes went on for weeks to try and ensure that I was making the right choice and all of the turmoil and unrest that went with it, these days when I make a choice, I simply ask myself if I am happy to do this or not? I am after all happy to change my mind if I am no longer happy with my previous choice or I wish to change direction.
Hi Amy
No, I do not have a taboo with being judgmental, I accept that 100% of the people that come to us for help with long term problems surrounding past issues are experiencing the creative potential that utilising it creates within them, as well as accepting that it is a personal choice if we choose to use it or not. I accept it for what it is and what it creates. 🙂
Most people cannot perceive the difference between having the ability to simply make a choice in an open and non-judgmental way, or having to contemplate making a choice that surrounds core judgmental beliefs that they have set up for themselves, but just because you have not encountered a non-judgmental person or experienced being non-judgmental, does not equate to them not existing outside of your own life experince. 😉
I have experienced both ways of being, I remember deliberating a choice, which sometimes went on for weeks to try and ensure that I was making the right choice and all of the turmoil and unrest that went with it, these days when I make a choice, I simply ask myself if I am happy to do this or not? I am after all happy to change my mind if I am no longer happy with my previous choice or I wish to change direction.
You are assuming I have not encountered those who claim not to be judgemental....oh but I have!!! I frequent a spiritual chat room where, occasionally, I encounter such a person. They are easily tripped up, i.e. found wanting. It is so easy to show them that how they suppose they are is just how they wish to be but what they say betrays this.
I do not see that having freewill/exercising choice directly relates to not being judgemental. I am a great believer in freewill, i.e. we are how we choose to be and yet I am quite opinionated - have judgement and am fine with that. There can be a correlation but not necessarily so.
You are both, however, still on Amy's sliding scale.
You are both, however, still on Amy's sliding scale.
My sliding scale? Do I have copyright's now to polarities? 😮 
I think you will find that the perception of polarities is the norm, i.e. good/bad, day/night
I said, 'Amy's sliding scale' because that was what you'd called it. This is also a norm. I wonder why you are so sensitive.
Yes, this perception is the norm. However, it is limiting and has probably only become the norm since monotheistic religions took over. It is not, of course, the only way.
I said, 'Amy's sliding scale' because that was what you'd called it. This is also a norm. I wonder why you are so sensitive.
Yes, this perception is the norm. However, it is limiting and has probably only become the norm since monotheistic religions took over. It is not, of course, the only way.
Huh...I was 'so sensitive'? 
I addressed your post with a jokey comment ... evidently you either missed that or did not perceive it to be what it was (I threw in 2 emoticons for good measure too!) 
I am glad you acknowledge that perception of polarities is the norm. I do not experience it as limiting but clarifying a quality - a question of discernment.
Fine. And here we differ.
I know that you and I do not agree, but what really interested me was Paul's usage of 'positive' and 'negative' when I seem to remember that he has said that duality is limiting. Maybe I've misunderstood.
Fine. And here we differ.
I know that you and I do not agree, but what really interested me was Paul's usage of 'positive' and 'negative' when I seem to remember that he has said that duality is limiting. Maybe I've misunderstood.
That is quite right Crowan, my point was that there should not be a division surrounding the creative process of thought into action, to classify one part of the creation as positive and another part as negative, is a contradiction in terms. 😉
Thank you.
However, creation and destruction are equally polarities in most peoples' minds. I would say they are the same thing (and in terms of 'good' and 'bad' are completely neutral). They occur (it occurs) constantly.
Yes Crowan, all is one, just as we can't negatively create something, we also cannot negatively destroy that which has been created. 🙂
And neither can we destroy or create individually - it's always both or neither. And neither is stagnation.
I thought it was well known that energy can neither be destroyed or created.....scientific fact I believe! There is just constant transformation.
I thought it was well known that energy can neither be destroyed or created.....scientific fact I believe! There is just constant transformation.
Yes. And ...?
Yes. And ...?
So Paul talks of thoughts being created..... If energy cannot be either created or destroyed then there is no thought creation..as in a beginning - it's all organically continuous and flowing.
Are you saying thoughts and energy are the same thing?
Are you saying thoughts and energy are the same thing?
Thoughts involve energy. They are a dynamic process.
No, I say that thoughts are creative in nature, they are not energy as we perceive energy here, much the same as healing within consciousness is not energy healing, because we are utilising a creative process that requires no effort or force to create a healing change or transformation. 🙂
No, I say that thoughts are creative in nature, they are not energy as we perceive energy here, much the same as healing within consciousness is not energy healing, because we are utilising a creative process that requires no effort or force to create a healing change or transformation. 🙂
Ha...nice save! 😉
Thoughts involve energy. They are a dynamic process.
Energy is the capacity of a physical body to perform work. Could you relate this to thought for me, please? I can't, at the moment, see a straightforward link.
Besides, even if they involve energy this does not mean that they are energy. Particularly it does not mean that thoughts are the same as energy.
Types of energy - the different things that energy can do - such as light, sound etc. can be destroyed and created.
Energy is the capacity of a physical body to perform work. Could you relate this to thought for me, please? I can't, at the moment, see a straightforward link.
Besides, even if they involve energy this does not mean that they are energy. Particularly it does not mean that thoughts are the same as energy.
Types of energy - the different things that energy can do - such as light, sound etc. can be destroyed and created.
I am somewhat surprised that you are just looking at energy in physical terms since you are a shamanic healer. You surely know it applies to 'vibes' too?
Yes I realise the difference between using and being, i.e. that thought uses energy but is more than that. It's like saying a cake is not flour but without flour there is no cake (unless you are going down the gluten free route!) 😉
Shamanism is about spirits and I rarely talk about energy partly because people use it to mean almost anything they want it to mean, but also because many people talk about energy so as not to talk about spirits. I certainly don't talk about 'vibes'.
A cake is, by definition, made from flour of some kind. If you define energy as being a component of thought then I guess it is, as far as you are concerned. I don't agree, however, other than in the sense that, if a person is severely depleted in energy then thought becomes difficult.
Shamanism is about spirits and I rarely talk about energy partly because people use it to mean almost anything they want it to mean, but also because many people talk about energy so as not to talk about spirits. I certainly don't talk about 'vibes'.
A cake is, by definition, made from flour of some kind. If you define energy as being a component of thought then I guess it is, as far as you are concerned. I don't agree, however, other than in the sense that, if a person is severely depleted in energy then thought becomes difficult.
We are going down a very meandering route now away from the original topic of this thread.
Re. depleted energy and thought becoming difficult....well it depends. If ready for bed, i.e. half asleep then obviously this is the case. If feeling low in energy due to feeling down, then the mind is still active - usually filled with (here's that word again) negative thought.
I think that, in order to reply, I would simply be repeating what I have already said. No point, really.