Bach remedies for jumping stressy horse?

Hello Shaya,
Wondering if this horse has had a bad experience in the past with regard to jumping? Thinking along the lines of Star Of Bethlehem to help with past trauma. Just a thought 🙂

I know it's in RR but personally I tend to think less is more and would give as an individual remedy or along with the remedies you suggest 🙂

Obviously check with owner that physically the horse is well and it's not injury that makes him reluctant to jump.

Let us know how things go!
Barbara x

Thanks Barbara...that's a good idea about the Star of Bethlehem!

I'll be contacting the owner tonight so just have to wait and see. Also, as individual remedies can be quite expensive, i don't want to make her spend a lot of money on a remedy that may not work.

Will let you know what happens!

🙂 x

Hi Shaya,

You said you do not know the horse or his rider well.

My philosophy is that everything which is happening in our lives is a reflection of our own thinking. Perhaps it is the owner who is getting stressed and fearful when jumping and therefore horse and rider would benefit more from the owner taking the remedies for confidence and calming of anxiety.

Just my thoughts. Are you able to quiz her about this?

Cheers

Hi Swordfish, yes you're right, i don't know the horse or rider well, but i can ask her.

I myself did wonder about advising the rider on her own feelings when jumping, because she may be projecting negativity and tension to him without realising it. It's so easy to affect a horse with ones own emotions, they then react in what appears to be a difficult manner and it becomes a vicious circle. If she expects him to be stressy when jumping, he could be reacting to her expectations.

Hmmm, good thinking there Swordfish, it maybe that Larch and Mimulus may help both of them. It certainly wouldn't hurt would it, if i recommend they both take a dose of each?

I'll ask a few more questions, it may be that other remedies could be more relevant!

Thanks 🙂

Tarotlady you were spot on.....said horse HAS had a past trauma...an accident whilst jumping and a not very patient owner which has left him lacking in confidence, nervous and ahem, jumpy! The lady who has now taken him on is willing to give him as much time as he needs and is also willing to try alternatives in helping him to relax and enjoy his jumping. I do think Star of Bethelem will help in this case.

My only concern is prices as i know bottles can be costly. If i recommend 3 remedies, it's going to cost almost £15. Does anyone know where remedies can be purchased for a decent price?

Many grateful thanks x

Hi Shaya,
Well at least we are getting there 🙂

Obviously we must remember we are not Practitioners and can only suggest what might help...

I can understand cost implications and I know which would be the remedy of initial choice if it were my horse...I'd go with Star of Bethlehem with this horse. Deal with the underlying problem from his past first. Because we are aware of it. If we were not, then we could just address what we were aware of...the fear and anxiety.

As always just my thoughts 🙂
Barbara x

Thanks Barbara....i appreciate everything you are saying...! Also, not only am i not a practitioner, i've only just got my level 1 so that's why i thought i would ask the friendly peeps at HP for their take on things too and i'm so glad i have!

The only way to learn i feel, is to try out real life situations and this lady knows i only have basic knowledge and is not expecting a 'cure'. I'll let you know what happens with this horse...if anything

🙂 xx

Hi Shaya - well done for being there for this horse. I am sure essences will help him. Here is a testimonial from a friend of mine who is a flower essence practitioner who worked with a horse - I don't know what essences were used and I know the horse and the owner were treated with essences specific to them - it's a great story though:

Des came to his owners as a 'rescue' horse, having done his time as a champion show jumper and was going to being put down.
His new life was with a family who were used to horses, having three others already. Des was taken on for their 14 year old daughter, an experienced rider, and novice show jumper. Within a short space of time, despite his experience, he was refusing jumps. He then began refusing to even get into the lorry to go to the shows (whereas at first he had shown great enthusiasm and happily walked into the (rather luxurious) transport). He also started to show signs of frustration in his day to day life.
He seemed to missing the way things were - the 'action' and stimulation he'd had, and going back to simple jumps seemed all rather beneath him! Not to mention his inability to 'relax' and 'be' with the other horses in the fields, having been held to a rigid training regime for much of his life.
After treating Des, he began to relax over a few days, and seemed to 'let his main down' in his new home. He would walk up to his owners instead of deliberately running off. He began to love the attention from his 14 year old rider. He certainly seemed to 'lighten up' and not take it all so seriously, having fun with her and his new herd instead of being intense or agitated. And he began to jump again, and has continued to do so, taking them both to great success.

Good luck and do let us know how you both get on
Sara

Oh Sara that is just the most wonderful story! I really hope i can get some positive feedback from my 'case study'! I've told the rider what to do and she was really pleased with the advice. Just have to wait and see now. Actually i do have one or maybe two questions if you or someone else can help me with.

1) How many times a day should she dose him?
2) Should she dose him daily until he shows signs of improvement/gets better
3) How many drops because i recommended between 5 and 10 due to conflicting information from the books i have.

Ok, that's 3 questions. Anyone? It's surprising that with all the literature i've read, these questions don't seem to be tackled, or maybe i'm looking in the wrong places!
I'm using the Bach Flower Remedies for Animals by Stefan Ball and Judy Ramsell Howard and Bach Flower Remedies for Horses and Riders by Martin J Scott with Gael Mariani.

Thanks again for your post silvermoonflower! 🙂

Actually i do have one or maybe two questions if you or someone else can help me with.

1) How many times a day should she dose him?
2) Should she dose him daily until he shows signs of improvement/gets better
3) How many drops because i recommended between 5 and 10 due to conflicting information from the books i have.

1. It's the same for animals as humans, if possible 4 times daily. This can be difficult with a horse, so the essences can be put in their water bucket, if they have free access.

2. Yes, give until improvement seen. But if absolutely nothing noted after three weeks, re-evaluate your choice of remedies. Do keep in mind that deep seated issues might take longer than this period. So if there has been a little improvement continue. If there is new behaviour of concern, you can add remedies as appropriate.

3. Amount ~
I was taught the following.
Rescue Remedy put 10 drops in a gallon bucket for large animals
Individual Remedies put in 5 drops.

It is also possible to make up a stock bottle exactly as you would for a human. Then of course it would be 4 drops 4 x daily.
Given on a piece of bread, fruit, biscuit...not sure what you can feed a horse!
Obviously never put a glass pipette in an animals mouth.

Hope this helps 🙂
Again, remedies should not really be given to animals that are on medication or under vet care (if not your own) without vet permission. Also be careful how you word things as in the UK only a vet is allowed to administer to or treat an animal. This is covered in the book you mention 🙂

But I'm sure you know that anyway!

Barbara x

Hello Shaya.... Tarot Lady has answered your questions really well. Would just like to add that essences also work very well topically on animals (well us humans too). So if this feels right, essences could be added to his grooming "brush" - or whatever is used. I think he would like that a lot and would give both the horse and the owner a wonderfully bonding relaxing time together. The essences can also be misted around the horse - in his stable etc. Whatever feels right to his owner I think is the right thing.

I am looking forward to hearing your feedback.
Sara

I'll be contacting the owner tonight so just have to wait and see. Also, as individual remedies can be quite expensive, i don't want to make her spend a lot of money on a remedy that may not work.

Hi Shaya,

If you want to avoid the cost of buying all the individual remedies why don't you suggest your friend to go for a tailor made remedy?
This unique personal vibrational dilution, is custom made by selecting and mixing several of the original remedies from the Bach range.

This way she will keep the costs at minimum and will able to see the potential of the Bach essences.

I give you some suggestions for the essences to consider for this combination:

Please bare in mind that advices in healing given via internet are only advices.
Bach essences are efficients only if they are choosen wisely.
I do not know the horse feelings enough from the few lines you have written so I can only try to make hypothesis without having all the clues to be perfectly sure.

But here some essences.
Please have a look at them and check your books about them.
Then ask some confirmation from you friend.
If she agrees with these essences they may deserve a try.
If not, she may gives you some more clues...comes again share them with us and we will adjust what we can suggest.

Bach essences can be considered like colors...like in painting, you need several colors to make a vibrant and beautiful painting.
Like keys notes you need several of them to make a melody.
Like wild flowers in countryside, the beauty of the others enhance each of them.

They are vibrational healing and you put them in water.
Once you have put one in the water, the water is not the same any more.
I may be right...I may be wrong but in healing there is no rule.
Or if there is one rule it would be you have to follow your instinct.
My instinct when I do a combination is to follow a special order.
So because of this I care for my combinations of the order I add the essences in.
This can seems silly I realise but when I advise Bach essences I advise them in a special order.This is the order I consider ideal to make the mix.

To try to give you an idea you must have been to parties sometimes...
Maybe once not the greatest party ever than suddenly one arrive and the whole atmosphere suddently change ( for the worse of the better, it depend..on who is the one).

This special one who will welcome any the new coming make the ambiance, the atmosphere.
In the same way the essences you put in the remedy will welcome the following essences.
This not key notes (essences) you mix and shake...it one intention of healing you are designing.You put Love and respect in it, you consider the purpose you want to achieve and you process with care.

This said it's up to you to do differently of course but as I have never advice you essences you could not guess that one
Don't check your book for this one...you will not find it.:p
After all, you are not here for books advices...you have them at home close to you 😉

1- White chesnut (to stop thinking about what may have gone wrong previoulsy/ sort of let it go of you rather like)
2 - Walnut is the essence for changes...if not said transmutation.The change expected here is "from beeing a feared horse" to "become one who can face obstacles).
3 - Honeysuckle to forget about the bad experience he may have had in past.
4 - Vervain to minimise Stress.
5 - Mimulus if it's fear (consider to change for Rock rose if it's much more a real terror and the horse is in no way manageable) in jumping conditions.
6 - Larch if there is any lack of confidence.
7- the all purpose healing wonderfull Star.

I will also advise you to give the essences to the horse (if a vet has give consent of using Bach remedies/ there is not risk or any contraindications but yes it's the bristish law ) orally, external and also to spray the straw and the spacefrom where the horse rest.

For orally use, your friend can put some drops on her hand and kindly offer it to the horse for licking.
Ideally the horse will feel it's safe and will lick it.
If he doesn't lick she can cuddle it with his hand weet with the 2 or 3 drops ( she must do with the essences as of she was using a soap before washing hands to put the signal all over her hands) than with her hand tell her to follow the spine of the horse going from its head to its tail, and start again from the head several times.

1. It's the same for animals as humans, if possible 4 times daily. This can be difficult with a horse, so the essences can be put in their water bucket, if they have free access.

2. Yes, give until improvement seen. But if absolutely nothing noted after three weeks, re-evaluate your choice of remedies. Do keep in mind that deep seated issues might take longer than this period. So if there has been a little improvement continue. If there is new behaviour of concern, you can add remedies as appropriate.

3. Amount ~
I was taught the following.
Rescue Remedy put 10 drops in a gallon bucket for large animals
Individual Remedies put in 5 drops.

It is also possible to make up a stock bottle exactly as you would for a human. Then of course it would be 4 drops 4 x daily.
Given on a piece of bread, fruit, biscuit...not sure what you can feed a horse!
Obviously never put a glass pipette in an animals mouth.

Hope this helps 🙂
Again, remedies should not really be given to animals that are on medication or under vet care (if not your own) without vet permission. Also be careful how you word things as in the UK only a vet is allowed to administer to or treat an animal. This is covered in the book you mention 🙂

But I'm sure you know that anyway!

Barbara x

Thankyou as ever Barbara for such a detailed reply. You have really put my mind at rest, i must know more than i thought because you've actually confirmed what i told this lady!!

I also advised about the vet regarding other medicine, the alcohol base of the remedies, that i'm not a practitioner and can only suggest remedies etc. So i think i covered all bases there, but thankyou for that because it's a relief.

Will let you know if and when i get any response...i hope so, it's working for my kitten so i must be doing something right :rolleyes:

Hello Shaya.... Tarot Lady has answered your questions really well. Would just like to add that essences also work very well topically on animals (well us humans too). So if this feels right, essences could be added to his grooming "brush" - or whatever is used. I think he would like that a lot and would give both the horse and the owner a wonderfully bonding relaxing time together. The essences can also be misted around the horse - in his stable etc. Whatever feels right to his owner I think is the right thing.

I am looking forward to hearing your feedback.
Sara

Great idea about adding the essences to brushes or the like. I knew you could apply the remedies 'on' to the animals, such as gums or tongue for example, but the idea of using it whilst grooming is a really good one and so simple! I also like the idea of using a mist, particularly when the horse, or any other animal is not receptive to other means.

Grateful thanks for that Sara, i really do hope the horse's owner gets back in touch with me...i'll be posting on here the minute i know 🙂

Abbie x

Hi Shaya,

If you want to avoid the cost of buying all the individual remedies why don't you suggest your friend to go for a tailor made remedy?
This unique personal vibrational dilution, is custom made by selecting and mixing several of the original remedies from the Bach range.

This way she will keep the costs at minimum and will able to see the potential of the Bach essences.

I give you some suggestions for the essences to consider for this combination:

Please bare in mind that advices in healing given via internet are only advices.
Bach essences are efficients only if they are choosen wisely.
I do not know the horse feelings enough from the few lines you have written so I can only try to make hypothesis without having all the clues to be perfectly sure.

But here some essences.
Please have a look at them and check your books about them.
Then ask some confirmation from you friend.
If she agrees with these essences they may deserve a try.
If not, she may gives you some more clues...comes again share them with us and we will adjust what we can suggest.

Bach essences can be considered like colors...like in painting, you need several colors to make a vibrant and beautiful painting.
Like keys notes you need several of them to make a melody.
Like wild flowers in countryside, the beauty of the others enhance each of them.

They are vibrational healing and you put them in water.
Once you have put one in the water, the water is not the same any more.
I may be right...I may be wrong but in healing there is no rule.
Or if there is one rule it would be you have to follow your instinct.
My instinct when I do a combination is to follow a special order.
So because of this I care for my combinations of the order I add the essences in.
This can seems silly I realise but when I advise Bach essences I advise them in a special order.This is the order I consider ideal to make the mix.

To try to give you an idea you must have been to parties sometimes...
Maybe once not the greatest party ever than suddenly one arrive and the whole atmosphere suddently change ( for the worse of the better, it depend..on who is the one).

This special one who will welcome any the new coming make the ambiance, the atmosphere.
In the same way the essences you put in the remedy will welcome the following essences.
This not key notes (essences) you mix and shake...it one intention of healing you are designing.You put Love and respect in it, you consider the purpose you want to achieve and you process with care.

This said it's up to you to do differently of course but as I have never advice you essences you could not guess that one
Don't check your book for this one...you will not find it.:p
After all, you are not here for books advices...you have them at home close to you 😉

1- White chesnut (to stop thinking about what may have gone wrong previoulsy/ sort of let it go of you rather like)
2 - Walnut is the essence for changes...if not said transmutation.The change expected here is "from beeing a feared horse" to "become one who can face obstacles).
3 - Honeysuckle to forget about the bad experience he may have had in past.
4 - Vervain to minimise Stress.
5 - Mimulus if it's fear (consider to change for Rock rose if it's much more a real terror and the horse is in no way manageable) in jumping conditions.
6 - Larch if there is any lack of confidence.
7- the all purpose healing wonderfull Star.

I will also advise you to give the essences to the horse (if a vet has give consent of using Bach remedies/ there is not risk or any contraindications but yes it's the bristish law ) orally, external and also to spray the straw and the spacefrom where the horse rest.

For orally use, your friend can put some drops on her hand and kindly offer it to the horse for licking.
Ideally the horse will feel it's safe and will lick it.
If he doesn't lick she can cuddle it with his hand weet with the 2 or 3 drops ( she must do with the essences as of she was using a soap before washing hands to put the signal all over her hands) than with her hand tell her to follow the spine of the horse going from its head to its tail, and start again from the head several times.

Lobellia, you are extremely kind to go to such lengths to explain all this to me, i'm very very grateful! I'm learning all the time so everything is helpful and all part of my journey.
Kindest regards
xx

Thankyou as ever Barbara for such a detailed reply. You have really put my mind at rest, i must know more than i thought because you've actually confirmed what i told this lady!!

Brilliant! You see...you are doing just great :045:

Barbara x

you can buy a combination remedy from crystalherbs. I use them quite a lot and they're really lovely remedies. I know it's not all about money but it certainly helps!!

thanks flowingflower...i will check them out!