HOPI, Qualified, but need A & P to Charge

RE: HOPI, Qualified, but need A & P to Charge

stick with it - it is worth it. Don't get bogged down by detail. Take each system as it comes - you'll be fine!!

RE: HOPI, Qualified, but need A & P to Charge

:DHi Kerry!

Have you thought about changing insurer?

The company i'm with would allow you to charge for practising hopi candles without the A & P qualification.

The thing is that as the industry is unregulated there is legally no 'right or wrong' answer to whether you can charge for treating someone.
If you have completed a course that says that you are qualified to practise on others then you ultimately can do.
The only prblem is then finding an insurance company that would recognise your qualification.
Obviously it comes down to whether you feel that you are genuinely able to provide a service that warrants charging moeny for, but there are insurers out there that are happy to provide cover for you, without having to pay for the more expensive courses.
What i have found is that people such as Embody and FHT, IPTI etc will often only accept trainingthat has either been done on their own courses, or that has been through accredited courses because this is of benefit to them.
You may get cheap insurance, but they can do this because they get you to pay a membership fee, plus the course fees in order to allow you to get insurance through them!

My suggestion would be to just find an insurance company that only covers insurance, and not all the 'extras' as ultimately you will end up paying more money than for the insurance alone.

If you want any further info please feel free to PM me and I can tell you who i get my insurance through.

Best wishes!:D

RE: HOPI, Qualified, but need A & P to Charge

Steve,

Whilst I appreciate your comments, most course providers (not insurers) require the A&P qualification in order to do the course, although some will allow students on their courses, but will not release certificates until the A&P has been completed.

In my opinion the A&P is extremely important, otherwise how can the therapist know about conditions of the ear, if they don't know it's structure, etc.

How then can discerning clients, differentiate between a qualified therapist who has taken the trouble to do their A&P and one who doesn't have this knowledge?

Isn't this just lowering standards in our industry?

Lesley

RE: HOPI, Qualified, but need A & P to Charge

Lesley,

I couldn't agree with you more!

The problem for the whole industry is the lack of regulation.
Obviously most people want regulation, as it's the only real way anyone can move forward but the problem at present remains that, regardless of how many people gain a A&P qualification, there will still be people out there who are qualified to train, but are not recognised yet are still offering courses with certificates stating that the person who is awarded the certificate has completed the course.

Unfortunately many members of the public have no idea which qualifications are accepted and best, and which are for want of a better phrase 'mickey mouse' qualifications.

The reason that i mentioned whether the person trained' feel that you are genuinely able to provide a service that warrants charging money for' is for ethical reasons.

Until regulation is imposed there will always be people who are insufficiently qualified within this sector who are still able to practise and charge for their service, but obviously if you don't feel sufficiently trained then surely your conscience would/should prevent you from charging people.

At present you can push people into taking better courses, but a lot of people simply don't have the finances to be able to complete this.
Why not (if you are serious about practising) get insurance through a company who will accept your lower qualification which will then enable you to charge for your treatment. You can then start saving for the course fees to complete a more universally recognised course further down the line.

To me this seems like a sensible answer, although it ultimately is down to how each individual feels about it, as once they start getting money in, they may decide that they want the money for themselves and not take up the recognised course. Therefore only the practitioners with a genuine care for the industry should take this route, but as i said before until regulation comes in there is little anyone can do to stop someone practising under a low cost training course.[sm=cry.gif]

RE: HOPI, Qualified, but need A & P to Charge

if you don't feel sufficiently trained then surely your conscience would/should prevent you from charging people.

Therefore only the practitioners with a genuine care for the industry should take this route, but as i said before until regulation comes in there is little anyone can do to stop someone practising under a low cost training course.

In theory great, but I'm sure it's very idealistic to assume that those without a conscience and without any genuine care for our profession wouldn't take advantage of such a loophole if there were one.

Whilst I am all for adequate basic training to carry out treatments and then at a later date, optional advanced training can be undertaken, I consider anatomy and physiology to be a very basic requirement of any therapy working on the body. It is the basis for our consultations and treatment plans and I would be very unhappy to pay for a treatment with any therapist who didn't have such training, however much they may feel they are able to provide such a service - who are they to judge without the training?

I'm afraid that if someone is unable to pay for adequate training, they then have to set their sights elsewhere, not expect the industry to lower its standards for their benefits. There are many courses I would love to undertake if only I could afford it, but this doesn't give me the right to practise such treatments until I have the money to pay for training.

I agree that until regulation, the situation is not ideal, but until then we need to strive to voluntarily keep standards as high as possible.

Lesley

RE: HOPI, Qualified, but need A & P to Charge

take a look at [link= http://gatewayworkshops.com/ ]http://gatewayworkshops.com/[/link]

They say you can practice without A&P , get insurance and charge

I insure with Towergateway proffesional Risks and they allow it without A&P

£100 PER YEAR, can add as many thrapies as you like as long as qualification in each.

RE: HOPI, Qualified, but need A & P to Charge

further to my last reply, with the gatweway course they do cover the structure of the ear etc

RE: HOPI, Qualified, but need A & P to Charge

hi ive just done a course in hopi myself 3/4/06 and it was very good however have you never got a&p in any of your other courses as it seems to be standard requirement in holistic and beauty if you have it in another course it maybe that you can get accreditated on prior knowlegde just a thought.

RE: HOPI, Qualified, but need A & P to Charge

Juliet some of us do teh Hopi first and then go on to do the A & P and other courses.

I must say my Hopi Course was 3/4 A & P of the Head and Ear structure and 1/4 practice & contraindication.

Personally I think the course shoudl be 2 days anyway regardless of whether A & P has already been gained.

RE: HOPI, Qualified, but need A & P to Charge

Hiya!

The Hopi course I did was three hours per week for four weeks, we covered the a & p for the ear and surrounding area's. I have insurance with the FHT and I charge for my treatments.

I had never heard that you had to do a separate A & P course. All the holistic courses I have done (Indian Head and Body Massage) have had the A and P incorporated in the course :0)

RE: HOPI, Qualified, but need A & P to Charge

Hi, I've just done the Thermo Auricular candling course and I only have A&P relating to head shoulders and top half of the body. This was accepted by the tutors and I will be able to get insurance as TATh work alongside FHT.

Love