Torah and Kabbalah

RE: Torah and Kabbalah

Hi Magpie, i found this book at Amazon

RE: Torah and Kabbalah

Hi Angel Light,

Can you post the name of the book, since i get an error when i follow your link (Amazon does that if you were logged in as yourself when you found it)

Thanks for posting a reply!

Im really keen to find good works on these topics...

Magpie

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Ok Magpie, sorry about that here you are~

The Living Torah the Five Books of Moses: A New Translation Based on Traditional Jewish Sources, With Notes, Introduction, Maps, Tables, Charts, Bibliography and Index.
By Aryeh Kaplan
£67.95

Also i found this one ~

The Five Books of Moses: A Translation with Commentary
By Robert Alter
£23.55
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Synopsis
Through a distinguished career of critical scholarship, Robert Alter's masterly new translation and probing commentary combine to give contemporary readers the definitive edition of The Five Books. Alter's translation recovers the mesmerising effect of these ancient stories - the profound and haunting enigmas, the ambiguities of motive and image, and the distinctive cadences and lovely precision of the Hebrew text. Alter's translation conveys the music and the meaning of the Hebrew text in a lyrical, lucid English. His commentary illuminates it with learned insight and reflection on its literary and historical dimensions.

Hope that helps you;)

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they are not the ones i remember, but they sound better!

thanks Angel Light!:)

Have you, or anyone else, read them? got any comments?

(£70 is a lot, but sounds like you get a lot with it)

Magpie

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Hi Magpie,

These aren't new translations, but at least they are free!

From this useful site:

Bible Translations Online

The Torah [Navigating the BibleII site] [text and audio] Hebrew/English (The Five Books of Moses: Genesis - Deuteronomy)

The Orthodox Jewish Brit Chadasha [Diatheke Insta Interlinear Bible site] [full text (English) and glossary of Hebrew words]

Yes, I know you only want the Torah, but ...

Love and peace,

Judy

RE: Torah and Cabala

Hi Magpie

I read somewhere recently, and i cant remember if it was here on HP or elsewhere, that there was a new translation of the Torah available and that it was much better than previous ones....

You could try this site to get an understanding of Torah and Kabbalah:

quote Uniting all aspects of Torah study, including proper kosher Kabbalah

...also includes extensive articles

I need as-close-to-unblemished a translation as possible (I'll even consider learning Hebrew so as not to lose out! but that idea makes my brain ache :)) This is for some research im doing for a workshop im working on.

hmm, learning Hebrew is only the first step to understanding certain jewish texts, you also need to understand Gematria and then tie all that in with Kabbalistic philosophy (Tree of Life being the structured form of Kabbalah)

Also, if anyone can point me in the direction of a REALLY good kabbalah book, im also interested

There are so many books on Kabbalah, all depends on what approach you want to take and how much you already know.
A newish book called "Becoming like God" has come out, which I believe has hit the mainstream book shops

hope that helps

astra x

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Thanks Judy and Astra..

I will definitely check those out. Although, I have heard of Becoming Like God, but mainstream is not what I am after. It is research for my workshops, so i need some rooting around.

Looks like I either need to hire a hebrew-reading researcher or bite the bullet and take a few years to learn it mySelf...

I'll definitely be checking out your leads though, so thank you again very much. I appreciate you taking the time to respond.

Magpie

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Not that I'm an expert, but there is such a choice on Kabbalah books. However it is a question of matiching your real needs and preference to the author and his/her angle.

Dion Fortune did a classic.

Having to choose myself a few years back, I opted for the books of Z'Ev Ben Shimon Halevi also known as Warren Kenton. He has a large selection so it's a question of what you are after. Best of all is to choose 'live' in a large New Age bookstore. Halevi himself happens to be in London.

V

RE: Torah and Cabala

Thanks venetian!

well, my real needs are the question indeed, because, to be honest, im not interested in an 1,2,3 at this stage - later, yes, but for now there are some key things i need to correlate with other research.

Its one of my more exciting projects - the workshop is called 'Taking Man Off The Cross' and, while the main premise is related to misinterpretations/misplaced emphasis on biblical teachings in the last two thousand years and the devastating knock on effects these have had in our society, research against earlier works (pre-geneva-bible most especially) is necessary to paint the necessary picture for any intellect to grasp the sense of the continuity and 'compound impact' of gradual shifts over centuries (comparing impact to compound interest intentionally to convey insidiousness and similar unnoticed impact:)).

This one is a while away yet though (so dont worry mods - its not advertising), since it is more research heavy than the other workshops I'm trying to put together. Also, because I will not tread the route of biblical challenge until I have enough information from the pre-english versions (since the last thing i want is the exclude the jews from this and to allow them to keep their sense of aloofness and pomposity 😉 - I Am allowed to say that about them: and it is not anti-semitic before anyone starts, its an appropriate poke in the ribs...)

Thats all i need really - 1) research of hebrew bibles 2) bit of understanding of the qabala.cabala.kabbalah (however you spell it) to merge it in with the rest of the systems im drawing from.

I dont need someone elses angle since I'll be applying my own, i just need an overview of the structure and premises to draw correlations and further my own understanding too.

What was your impression of Halevi?

thanks for your input

Magpie

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Do you mean my impression of his books?

As for the KBLH (another spelling I like as it's short) you might find all you need online if it's basics and snippets.

RE: Torah and Kabbalah

ORIGINAL: TheMagpie
Thats all i need really - 1) research of hebrew bibles 2) bit of understanding of the qabala.cabala.kabbalah (however you spell it) to merge it in with the rest of the systems im drawing from.

I don't need someone else's angle since I'll be applying my own, i just need an overview of the structure and premises to draw correlations and further my own understanding too.

What was your impression of Halevi?

Well, in my opinion Z'ev ben Shimon Halevi (Warren Kenton) is your man.
Kabbalah is multi layered and complex...Halevi writes and lectures on this subject in a comprehensible way.
He writes from Tradition and Source and not "from any one else's angle"

Also the structure of the Kabbalistic system is the Tree Of Life, which is essential to get to grips with if you want to tie it into other systems and/or apply it to your own working model.

BTW, the original title of this thread had Kabbalah and not Cabala....I think it was my spell checker that changed it, sorry .:)
I'll change it back to the original spelling.

astra

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To venetian:

yes, your personal impression of his work was what I was after...

to Astra:

thank you very much. I will place him at the top of my list....and go shopping.

thanks to you all again...

it is greatly appreciated.

Magpie

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One thought also on Halevi is that in my tiny tad of looking into the Kabbalah, a large proportion of teachers or sources seem to be not only Jewish (which is fine of course) but their writing and thought is deeply within that culture. So a non-Jew feels like an outsider or may not grasp the gist.

On the other hand, some non-Jews such as New Age types teach the subject today with only a smattering of knowledge.

I took it that Halevi is either Jewish or - ethnicity being irrelevant anyway - was as astra says authentic. But he's authentic and approachable and easily understood at the same time. I've attended a few of his things and can say he is most certainly 'authentic' and genuine as a person, in addition.

Edit to add: One Halevi book is very interesting as it's so unique. Nothing to do with the Kabbalah, really. But no-one else has really attempted this. It's 'School Of The Soul', which is an informed analysis of all the dynamics that one can expect or look out for in a working occult /esoteric group - e.g. dynamic changes over time, who stays and who leaves, who becomes 'best student' and who tries to impress as such, the organic formation of sub-groups within it, and on and on....I don't do it justice as it's really quite deep.

V

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ORIGINAL: venetian
I took it that Halevi is either Jewish or - ethnicity being irrelevant anyway - was as astra says authentic.

Yes, Halevi is Jewish.
For those interested in his background Garry Phillipson interviews him [link= http://www.skyscript.co.uk/kenton.html ]here[/link]

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Wonderful link, astra. Enjoyed it.

It's possible to study the Kabbalah under Halevi if one lives in London, though he'd expect more than a superficial interest.

Venetian

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Looks like hes taking a sabbatical in 2005, so isnt teaching his usual classes.

gives me some time to get a bit of a foundation..

thanks again you two - brilliant info.

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Magpie

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I just saw that Z'ev Ben Shiman Halevi as discussed above IS advertising courses with his home address and number. I'll PM these to Magpie and can to anyone else - just not sure without looking if HP would agree to it in a post.