The Gita talks about the battlefield and I feel the inner meaning is about the battle between divine self and human sellf on the battlefield of the physical plane. we have talked about Karma, people being murdered and whether this is GOD's will or not.
I thought it would be good to look at the root words of the word 'war' and see what came up. Conflict and contention would certainly fit in with my own feeling about the Gita but have put this thread to open up the debate. It is also very interesting that the when the word is traced back to some origins it states 'to confuse, mix up.".
at war
In an active state of conflict or contention.
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[Middle English warre, from Old North French werre, of Germanic origin; see wers- in Indo-European roots.]
Word History: The chaos of war is reflected in the semantic history of the word war. War can be traced back to the Indo-European root *wers-, "to confuse, mix up." In the Germanic family of the Indo-European languages, this root gave rise to several words having to do with confusion or mixture of various kinds. One was the noun *werza-, "confusion," which in a later form *werra- was borrowed into Old French, probably from Frankish, a largely unrecorded Germanic language that contributed about 200 words to the vocabulary of Old French. From the Germanic stem came both the form werre in Old North French, the form borrowed into English in the 12th century, and guerre (the source of guerrilla) in the rest of the Old French-speaking area. Both forms meant "war." Meanwhile another form derived from the same Indo-European root had developed into a word denoting a more benign kind of mixture, Old High German wurst, meaning "sausage." Modern German Wurst was borrowed into English in the 19th century, first by itself (recorded in 1855) and then as part of the word liverwurst (1869), the liver being a translation of German Leber in Leberwurst.
Love beyond measure
Kim xx
RE: The Root of War
H Kim,
Thanks for that! I's very helpful knowing tha the root of the word "war" is confuson - gives one a basis for prayer.
it made me look up the word on my computer concordance and here are three Bible quotes I find helpful:
In thee, O Lord, do I put my trust: let me never be put to confusion. Psalm 71
God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, I Cor 14
Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you?
let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace. James 3
Love and peace,
Judy
RE: The Root of War
ORIGINAL: Principled
Thanks for that! I's very helpful knowing tha the root of the word "war" is confuson - gives one a basis for prayer.
Yes good idea Judy
In thee, O Lord, do I put my trust: let me never be put to confusion. Psalm 71
God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, I Cor 14
Love these quotes
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace. James 3
I agree totally with James about wisdom although prophecy is not profound wisdom and nor does it bring much joy to the heart as the bible consistently portrays, it is more like a roar of righteousness that is all consuming when it comes. However, I am fully aware and appreciate that James was not a prophet and as such he would not have the experience to express. GOD is impartial in my experience and also recognises injustice but rarely voices it. James is right the wisdom shared is like a flower that gently unfolds as it raises your vibration of peace and love within, as gentle as raindrops and as soft as the wispy white clouds. Prophecy of the moralistic kind is more like the sound of thunder all are aspects of GOD most merciful, loving and compassionate. I view prophecy more as a warning of that which can be avoided if we choose to listen, and act on the good moral advice being given. Just like us raising our voice and warning a child not to put their hand in a fire or they will get badly burnt. GOD forbid that we should hurt ourselves or others hence why the universal laws are in place.
I remember I woke up one morning to hear the words 'GOD forbid' I had made arrangements to meet someone that morning. The divine did everything they could to ensure the meeting did not go ahead that day or evening. Its a long story but I did eventually make the meeting the following day and I then understood why I had been forbidden to attend. So does GOD try to help us to avoid calamity? From experience I would say without any doubt at all just like we do with our own children.
2 Peter 1:19-21
19And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. 20Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. 21For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.21For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
I loved this quote from Master Jesus
"Righteous Anger
can be transformed
into Righteous Love
which you can demonstrate
through Zealous Compassion.
And by your good works
you shall be known."
from Sacred Words
Love beyond measure
Kim xx
RE: The Root of War
Hi Kim,
Just a little confused as to where you got prophesy from. To my understanding, where James is talking about the "wisdom that is from above" that is what we understand in Christian Science to beletting go ofour human thinking andyielding to the divine Mind, God, as in Paul's words:
"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:"
(Phillipians 2:5)
Love and peace,
Judy
RE: The Root of War
ORIGINAL: Principled
James is talking about the "wisdom that is from above"
Correct prophecy is part of the wisdom that is from above.
Just like love is part of peace and peace is part of love.
being love
Kim xx
RE: The Root of War
Interesting that Sufi's describe 'killing' as the killing e.g. death of detachment. It would be interesting to study scripture in this context e.g. detaching from that which creates confusion, conflict and contention.
"There is a way from your heart to mine and my heart knows it, because it is clean and pure like water. When the water is still like a mirror it can behold a Moon" Rumi
Also interesting that Jesus gives the analogy of cloudy water in regards to consciousness in the Jesus Sutra's.
being love
Kim xx
RE: The Root of War
Kim,
I like your effort at approaching word analysis. It is something I do a lot of work on. I'll post some at some later point.
Since you've already looked at the usage history of the term, I think its interesting to note that ALL modern languages contain ALL their roots. One does not actually need to look all the way into past usage to find out both what it has meant, and what it now means (although it can help). All modern languages, each comprised of a set of symbols + sounds, contain their entire history, should we be able to see it.
This is very relevant since recent activity on the higher planes has prompted many to start looking at words, language and word use from a fresh angle. Looking at actual recorded history is only one of a number of tools to use in performing word analysis.
In this instance, we are looking at the word 'war'. Now, I am not going to go into the full in-depth analysis of this word (not in a public place!). You and Judy did a great analysis above, and the point I wish to make is not to actually dwell on that subject matter, but to draw attention to opposite, which is also very prevalent in our world.
We live in a world of war, and of more than war, we are truly living in the time of cresting conflicts which will subside to something else. In trying to understand the times we are living in and the forces which are Coming into play now and for the immediate future, we can consider that what is coming to bear is the opposite of war...........
.........it is RAW.
Magpie
RE: The Root of War
Dear Magpie
ORIGINAL: TheMagpie
Since you've already looked at the usage history of the term, I think its interesting to note that ALL modern languages contain ALL their roots. One does not actually need to look all the way into past usage to find out both what it has meant, and what it now means (although it can help). All modern languages, each comprised of a set of symbols + sounds, contain their entire history, should we be able to see it.
I like to see how things have evolved and the roots thereof and I have also been guided to go back to before words were even written.
This is very relevant since recent activity on the higher planes has prompted many to start looking at words, language and word use from a fresh angle. Looking at actual recorded history is only one of a number of tools to use in performing word analysis.
I agree and interesting to note that most of the time the higher realms communication in symbology.
In this instance, we are looking at the word 'war'. Now, I am not going to go into the full in-depth analysis of this word (not in a public place!). You and Judy did a great analysis above, and the point I wish to make is not to actually dwell on that subject matter, but to draw attention to opposite, which is also very prevalent in our world.
Once beyond duality there is only oneness and Grace in my experience.
We live in a world of war, and of more than war, we are truly living in the time of cresting conflicts which will subside to something else. In trying to understand the times we are living in and the forces which are Coming into play now and for the immediate future, we can consider that what is coming to bear is the opposite of war...........
.........it is RAW.
Interesting some of humanity certainly appears to be experiencing a raw time in many ways.
Love beyond measure
Kim xx