[color="#3300ff"] The essence of spiritual effort-Pleasing the Lord in Human form
The total essence of your spiritual effort is that whether the Lord can replace your wife, children and money. There three bonds are strongest called as Eshanas. The day when all these three disappear and only God exists in these three places, your spiritual effort is over. But the God must be the human incarnation and not the statue of temple or formless aspect of God. Some can replace these entire three by God but such God is either a statue of a temple or the formless aspect of God or the celestial energetic body. Of course, they have realised the value of God completely. They should be appreciated. They have studied the course by regularly attending the classes and finally appeared in the examination but they failed in the examination. They have realised the value of God but they have not conquered their egoism and jealousy towards co-human beings.
The sages have sacrificed every thing and every body for God but could not recognise the human incarnation. They sacrificed all the Eshanas for God but their God was the energetic form like Vishnu, Siva etc. When they were born as Gopikas and left every thing and every body for the sake of human incarnation, then only their spiritual effort was completed and got the complete grace of God. The whole complication lies in the recognition the human incarnation only and the Brahma Jnanam or Brahma Vidya is most difficult only due to this concept.
RE: The essence of spiritual effort-Pleasing the Lord in Human form
An interesting concept this, wrapped up in another thread by Sunbeam about attachment.
Fortunately we don't have to loose the three items that you mentioned: wife, children and money in order to reach our highest spiritual path. All most of us need to do is to spread love into the world. I would say that a reclusive existence, Nuns, Monks, Buddhists is an egotistical path, but I cannot judge since it is for each man, woman and child to choose their own life journey. The entire teachings about God - or whatever name you give to this wonderous energy - is all about unconditional love for your fellow men [sm=1kis.gif], but how many people on these forums can claim that [sm=scratchchin.gif]and I certainly include myself in that category [:@]
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RE: The essence of spiritual effort-Pleasing the Lord in Human form
[color="#3300ff"]Service to society is not service to Lord
If the humanity is served without the discrimination of good and bad, the sinners should not be punished by the court and the sinners must be served. If God exists in all the human beings, why some human beings at the end are thrown in to liquid fire? This means that God is thrown in to liquid fire. Sankara condemned this concept of serving the humanity equal to the service to God (Loka Sevaka Mata Khandanam). Therefore, one should not remain in training only and forget the main aim for which the training is advised. In fact, the Lord came in the form of fish, tortoise etc., also. The Lord appeared as a small beautiful fish in the hands of a king. The king took it to home and kept it in a vessel containing water.
The fish grew to the size of vessel by next day. Suppose the king was a non-vegetarian and killed the fish for eating, how much sin he should have committed towards to the Lord! Therefore, the Lord in the form of Buddha and Mahaveer preached non-violence and condemned killing any living being. You should love all the living beings. But you should not continue in that line only and forget the basic goal of searching the Lord in the form of some living being. In Bhagavatam, a sage called Bharatha loved a deer so much that he was born as a deer in the next birth. Veda also condemns the continuous service to good people also without searching the human form of Lord (Devanam Pasurahaha….). Serving the good people gives you the heaven only from where you have to return back after some time of enjoyment. Therefore, the good qualities without the concept of the God are not yielding permanent fruits. When you start serving the devotees, the concept of God has started and you will soon reach the human incarnation of God through the blessings of the devotees.
RE: The essence of spiritual effort-Pleasing the Lord in Human form
Hello Dattaswami
I find your postings very perplexing. Viz:-
You should love all the living beings. But you should not continue in that line only and forget the basic goal of searching the Lord in the form of some living being. In Bhagavatam, a sage called Bharatha loved a deer so much that he was born as a deer in the next birth.
Does this mean that maybe the Lord could in fact even come back as an ant? Mnnnnnnnnn. We'd better watch out where we step then? 😀
Seriously, I can't believe this AT ALL. Pray tell me where you got THIS from? What you are saying is bizarre. :eek::eek::eek::eek::D
Can you perhaps unlighten us all as to the purpose of your postings because, with respect, you do very little to engage yourself in intellectual dialogue. By dishing out all this what appears to be 'cut and paste' stuff, it does very little to let us know what you are actually trying to get at.
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Best wishes
Mooonfairy
RE: The essence of spiritual effort-Pleasing the Lord in Human form
moonfairy you got perflexed by it. Please read the following
[color="#0033ff"]Rebirth-Christanity-Islam-Hinduism
You say that the same Lord revealed the same knowledge in the entire world in different languages. But Islam and Christianity say that there is no rebirth. Hinduism speaks about the rebirth. If the Lord is same, how this contradiction comes?
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Only one Lord created this entire universe. He should have told the same knowledge everywhere in the world. The contradiction is only due to misunderstanding. In Hinduism also Sankara says that again human birth is almost impossible (Jantunaam Nara Janma Durlabhamidam). Sankara was the incarnation of Siva and so what He told is also authoritative. Even Gita says that the soul comes back to this world but does not say that the soul gets again the human birth (Ksheene Punye Martyalokam Visanti). In the second chapter, Gita speaks about rebirth but not about the human rebirth. Islam and Christianity say that the human birth is given only as a single chance. After this the final judgement is given.
The soul either goes to the Lord or goes to the hell permanently. In Gita also there are two ways for the soul. Either the soul goes to the Lord and does not return back or the soul returns back to the world (Abrahma Bhuvanath, Yat Gatva). According to Gita, if the soul does not go to the Lord (Brahmaloka), it returns back after enjoying the fruits of incomplete spiritual effort. Therefore in this human birth, if the spiritual effort is completed, the soul goes to the Brahmaloka permanently.
If the spiritual effort is incomplete the soul may go up to any world below Brahmaloka, it will return back to this earth after enjoying the fruits of its incomplete spiritual effort. The soul may go up to the sixth world, it cannot go to the Brahmaloka, which is the seventh world by doing the remaining spiritual effort in the sixth world. The reason is once the soul leaves this earth all the upper worlds are only Bhogalokas i.e., the worlds in which the soul can enjoy the fruits, but cannot do any work (Karma).
Therefore the soul has to return back to the earth. The soul will not get again another chance of human birth because once it is failed it can never succeed. Therefore the soul comes to the earth and falls into the cycle of animals and birds only. When the soul is trapped in this cycle of animal births, it is treated as a permanent hell.
If the soul goes to Brahmaloka it always accompanies the Lord either in Brahmaloka or may come back to the earth along with the Lord who takes the human incarnation. In such case the soul is born as a divine servant of the Lord. Such soul will not take rebirth in the cycle of animals. Thus for the divine soul also there is no such rebirth. In this way Hinduism, Islam and Christianity are correlated as one concept preached by the one Lord.
Christians and Muslims are putting up sincere spiritual effort because there is a threat that this human life is the only chance. There is no reexamination according to these religions. This human birth is the only one examination and the soul either passes or fails and will not be allowed for any reexamination. But in Hinduism such threat is not there.
People have taken a lenient view on the spiritual life because they think that the human rebirths are possible and so they can put up the spiritual effort slowly in the future human births. The Lord cannot say different theories to different people. The rule must be same for all the human beings of the world. Therefore whatever the Lord told in Christianity and Islam also told the same in Hinduism. Hindus misunderstood the concept. Therefore what ever may be the religion, every human being should think “Now or Never”.
The human rebirth is only for Yoga Bhrashta i.e., the soul, which has reached Brahmaloka and fell due to some slip. Such a soul is suspended from Brahmaloka and comes down to the earth and takes r
RE: The essence of spiritual effort-Pleasing the Lord in Human form
Hello Dattaswami
Yes, you are right, I am indeed perplexed. [sm=idea.gif][sm=idea.gif][sm=idea.gif]. I have read your posting and unfortunately I still find your writings to be most bizarre.
You say that the same Lord revealed the same knowledge in the entire world in different languages. But Islam and Christianity say that there is no rebirth.
The way you have written it makes it look as if I have actually written this soI wanted to make it clear to any others who may read this that you were writing in the 'third person' here.
If it is Zero percent you are falling back to the earth in the cycle of animals and birds.
As a trained scientist, with a degree in Zoology, I would like to point out to you that humans are also animals.The species'Homo sapiens'isclasified as amammal, as defined by the following:-
Any of various warm-blooded vertebrate animals of the class Mammalia, including humans, characterized by a covering of hair on the skin and, in the female, milk-producing mammary glands for nourishing the young.
Therefore, with respect, I consider your reasoning to besomewhat inaccurate.
By the way, you still haven't answered my question as to the reason for your postings.
So I'll ask again.;)
Can you perhaps unlighten us all as to the purpose of your postings because, with respect, you do very little to engage yourself in intellectual dialogue. By dishing out all this what appears to be 'cut and paste' stuff, it does very little to let us know what you are actually trying to get at.
Best wishes
Moonfairy
RE: The essence of spiritual effort-Pleasing the Lord in Human form
moonfariy;
) In Islam and Christianity there is no rebirth for the soul. The soul gets human birth only once. After this human birth the soul will either go to the Lord or will go to the hell permanently. Only one Lord created this entire universe. Therefore the policy should be the same for all the souls in this universe. There is only one Lord. All the souls are equal to Him. Can you deny this? If you don’t agree with this theory, you can follow your own faith. But your faith is not important. The truth is important. What ever is true, that alone happens and not as per your faith. If you agree with this policy I can correlate all the religions. If you can correlate all the religions in a better way, I will also agree with you. If you are not caring for the correlation and follow your faith only, there is nothing for me to preach you. My correlation of all the religions is like this : In Gita two paths are explained. In the first path one goes to Brahmaloka without returning back. In the other path one returns back to this earth and falls in the cycle of births and deaths which is the wheel of Samsara. In all the religions there are only two paths. Reaching Brahmaloka is reaching the Lord. Falling in the cycle animals and births is going to the hell permanently. The soul which, has fallen in this hell will never get the human rebirth in which there is facility of trying to reach Brahmaloka. Not getting such a spiritual human rebirth is the absence of rebirth. The soul which, goes to Brahmaloka will never get the rebirth of animals and birds and in such sense this soul also has no rebirth. But one point is to be understood carefully. The birth of animal, bird, worm etc., does not mean the actual animal or bird or worm etc., There are several human beings who live like animals, birds and worms. Such human births are also the births of animals, birds, worms etc., We are seeing such human beings in majority on this earth. They are immersed in the worldly bonds like money, children etc., They cannot cut their blind love to these worldly bonds. Even if they put some spiritual effort, it is incomplete because of the attachment with these bonds. Such souls when they go to the upper worlds are also involved in such bonds in the upper worlds also. They can never attain Brahmaloka by preaching any amount of divine knowledge to them. But if they are not preached they will blame the Lord during the enquiry posing that they might have attained Brahmaloka, had they received the divine knowledge. The Lord preaches them also only to save himself from such blame and not to save them. Therefore if you are having all the facilities and also interest in the spiritual line this is the best birth for you and this is the only chance for you. If you waste this human birth you are falling into the births of animals etc., You are not given such chance again. Islam and Christianity say that the soul has to wait for the final enquiry which, is to be done at the end of this world. This human body (Pindanda) is stated as the world (Brahmanda). The human body is a mini world containing the same components. Therefore the death of this human body can be treated as the end of this world from the point of the soul. You can also treat the day as birth and night as death. Veda says that the deep sleep is equal to death (Naviduhu Sati Sampatsyama Iti). Gita also says the same (Prabhavantyaharagame). Therefore the feelings (Samskaras) of previous births mean only the feelings of yesterday. If you are on the spiritual line and if you are making sincere spiritual effort to cut these worldly bonds and to strengthen the bond with the Lord, your lifetime can be extended by the Lord. You will cross the day of your death by the grace of the Lord which, is a rebirth. Such extension of life will help you really in the spiritual effort if you are given a human rebirth there will be lot of gap since you have to stay in the womb of your mother and you have to cross the childhood. Such long gap will g
RE: The essence of spiritual effort-Pleasing the Lord in Human form
Anil sorry I disagree with you again.
But Islam and Christianity say that there is no rebirth.
That's strange because every Muslim I have met believes in reincarnation and past lives. Also you speak of literal Christianity and there is the original Christianity and there is scripture available that proves that Jesus taught reincarnation and about karma. It was included in the first two compilations of the bible, the Marcion version and the Origen version.
Furthermore, whilst reading your text my immediate feeling was
'know your own truth'
If you had done your own research and discovered your own truth, you would know what I have written above is true. So if you have not done any research and this is not your own truth whose is it?
A great deal of ancient wisdom is being re-interpreted and re-presented in 21st century language, in its simplicity - it is simple to understand. I must admit my experience is very different to the text that you keep on posting, however, it you could dialog without reams of text, and speak from your heart we may understand where you are coming from and why.
Divine Love
RE: The essence of spiritual effort-Pleasing the Lord in Human form
PS
And you might like to be updated on the lastest view on hell from the Vatican.
On 28th July 1999 Pope John Paul II stated that hell is not a place, but rather, a state of being. He said that it is the result of having separated yourself from God, who is the source of all life and joy.
HEAVEN, HELL AND PURGATORY
Pope John Paul II
In three controversial Wednesday Audiences, Pope John Paul II pointed out that the essential characteristic of heaven, hell or purgatory is that they are states of being of a spirit (angel/demon) or human soul, rather than places, as commonly perceived and represented in human language. This language of place is, according to the Pope, inadequate to describe the realities involved, since it is tied to the temporal order in which this world and we exist. In this he is applying the philosophical categories used by the Church in her theology and saying what St. Thomas Aquinas said long before him.
Heaven is Fullness of Communion with God
Anil why would we wish to go back to old theology when the insights of the new revelations are so uplifting, empowering and joyous?
Divine Love
PPS And if you continue to ignore peoples questions I would not be surprised if they stop responding to your posts.