[color="#3300ff"]Meaning of second coming of Jesus
The names like Rama, Krishna, Jesus etc., belong to the external human body, which has taken birth. Such names are generated only after the birth of these human bodies. Therefore, such names are certainly the names of the external human bodies only, which are like the shirts. When the human bodies perish, these names also must perish. But these names exist as eternal names even after the disappearance of these human bodies due to death. The reason is that these names were directed towards the inner Lord even during the time of existence these human bodies. A person is carrying vegetables for selling. You call him by the name “ Vegetables”. The person is not vegetable and the vegetables are not the person also. But the possessor of the vegetables is called by the name of the possessed material. Similarly, when the name “ Krishna or Jesus” was called, this name was directed towards the internal Lord also. Therefore, even if the human body perished, since the Lord is eternal, Krishna or Jesus is also eternal. When Krishna said that He will come again and again, whenever necessary ( Yada Yada hi….Gita), it means the eternal Lord present in the human body will come again and again through different human forms. Similarly, when it is told that Jesus will come again, it means the Lord present in that human body will come again. Here the names Krishna and Jesus indicate the Lord and not the human body.
When some body says that He will come again after 20 years, it does not mean that he will come in the same shirt. Even in the case of the ordinary human beings the name indicates the inner eternal soul also. When people say that Subba Rao died, it means that the name indicates the external human body. People say that Subba Rao’s last journey is today. It means that the name indicates only the external body, which is going to be cremated in the burial ground on that day. In these sayings the name indicates the external human body. But after one-year people say that today is the yearly ceremony of Subba Rao. When you have stated that Subba Rao finished his last journey one year back, how can you bring Subba Rao again after one year? Here the name indicates the inner soul. Therefore, even in the worldly terminology the name indicates both the external body and inner soul according to the context.
Therefore, when you say that Jesus was crucified and killed, the name indicates the external human body. When you say that Jesus will come again on final day of destruction of this world, the name indicates the inner Lord. Thus, the same name indicates the external or internal item according to the context. When you say that Krishna danced in Brundavanam, the name indicates the external human body. When you say that Krishna will come again and again whenever necessary, the name indicates the inner Lord. If you realise this discrimination, you have no quarrel with any religion. When you say that Jesus or Krishna will come again, it means that the inner Lord is going to come in different human bodies again. When you are drawing the picture of Jesus or Krishna, the picture represents the external human body only and not the inner Lord. You can never draw the picture of the inner Lord because He is beyond the realm of imagination. You cannot say about the existence of two unimaginable Lords. When the Lord is unimaginable, He can be only one. If you say that there are two entities, it means that both the entities are imaginable. Therefore, you have to accept that there is only one unimaginable Lord or God. The external human bodies are different and cannot be one. When I say that Krishna is Jesus, it means that the Lord in the body of Krishna and in the body of Jesus is one and the same. It does not mean that the two different bodies are one and the same.
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Hi Anil,
It's an interesting point that you raise, more so - I feel - in the title of the thread, than what you wrote about. Everyone talks about the coming of the Christ energy again, but what would the Religious Zelotsthink if the Christ came back as a woman [sm=speechless-smiley-040.gif][sm=speechless-smiley-040.gif][sm=speechless-smiley-040.gif].
Have a great day
Publisher
PS and preferably GAY this time 😀
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When some body says that He will come again after 20 years, it does not mean that he will come in the same shirt.
I would like to know how we are gonna recognise 'Him' then?:eek::eek:
My personalopinion is that the historical accounts of Jesus are in probability true, but I really don't believe that 'He' has been reincarnated again, or indeed not as yet.
Have a nice day
Moonfairy
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ORIGINAL: moonfairy
When some body says that He will come again after 20 years, it does not mean that he will come in the same shirt.
I would like to know how we are gonna recognise 'Him' then?:eek::eek:
My personalopinion is that the historical accounts of Jesus are in probability true, but I really don't believe that 'He' has been reincarnated again, or indeed not as yet.
Have a nice day
Moonfairy
Moonfairy;
[color="#0000ff"] Identity mark for recognizing the human incarnation of the Lord
The real characteristic properties of the Lord as declared by Veda are the Special Knowledge (Prajnana), the Love (Rasa or Prema) and the Bliss (Ananda). Veda also says that these three characteristics must be experienced by others if the possessor is having really those characteristics. The characteristic property of the fire is heat. Any person who is near the fire should experience the heat and then only we can say that the fire is hot. Similarly the Lord in human form must make others to experience the Jnana, Prema and Ananda. Veda says 'Esha Hyeva Anandayati', which means that He creates Bliss in the hearts of others. The Lord should not be recognized merely by the miracles because even demons performed these miracles. Miracles are only associated property like jewels. Moreover the Lord in human form always hesitates to perform the miracles unless special emergency arises. The reason for this is that the Lord is dwelling in the human form, which is a product of this nature (Prakrithi). He is living in the nature. Therefore the Lord follows the rules of the nature and these rules were formulated by Himself only. No administrator will like to contradict his own rules. Even in the emergency when He voilates the rule of the nature, He keeps the voilation as a secret. When the administrator voilates his own rule, he will not propagate about that voilation. He maintains the secrecy of the voilation. Only demons voilate frequently the rules of the nature and also advertise about the voilation because they did not frame the rules. When Lord Krishna made artificial sunset by covering the Sun with His Sudarshana Chakra, He kept it as a secret. People thought that a cloud covered the Sun. Voilating His own rule itself is a mistake. Exhibition of voilation of His own rule by Himself will be another mistake. In that situation the life of Arjuna who was His closest devotee was under threat. In that emergency only the Lord voilated the Prakrithi and used His super power (Maya). In the eighteen days of Mahabharatha war He never used His super power. Bhishma wounded the Lord with severe arrows. Even then the Lord did not use His super power. Therefore miracles are not the real characteristics of the Lord. Rama never performed miracles except in the case of 'Ahalya' and in breaking the bow of Siva. Krishna also performed the miracles in the child hood to save His own life and to save the lives of His devotees. All these situations were the cases of unavoidable emergency.
RE: Meaning of second coming of Jesus
The real characteristic properties of the Lord as declared by Veda are the Special Knowledge (Prajnana), the Love (Rasa or Prema) and the Bliss (Ananda). Veda also says that these three characteristics must be experienced by others if the possessor is having really those characteristics. The characteristic property of the fire is heat. Any person who is near the fire should experience the heat and then only we can say that the fire is hot. Similarly the Lord in human form must make others to experience the Jnana, Prema and Ananda.
Ah, yes got it .......................................
for this analogy. Seems we'd better watch out for fires then ?
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Best wishes
Moonfairy
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The charactristic property of Lord is the divine knowledge; what is divine knowledge
The Knowledge given by the Lord in Human form like Bible, Gita etc is divine knowledge. If the concept of Human Incarnation is realized, the divine knowledge is recognized. If the people can believe Krishna, Jesus etc as the Lord in human form Gita, Bible etc is recognized as the divine knowledge. But the problem is that there are several interpretations of such divine scriptures. These interpretations are contradicting each other. Since these interpretations are given by different human beings and no human being can decide the correct interpretation.
You yourself also cannot decide because you are also a human being. Therefore the original author of that sacred scripture can alone convince you with correct interpretation. Such correct interpretation is called as the real divine knowledge. For this you have to recognize the human form of the Lord present in your generation. The identity for such recognition is your inner self which gets convinced by such real interpretation which is aided by your careful and patient analytical faculty of intelligence called as buddhi. Even an illiterate person has such inner self and analytical faculty even in the absence of language.
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Deleted this, as it somehow turned up again as the post below. 😉
Venetian
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Hi, Anil,
I disagree, actually.
I go along with the quickly-growing and in my opinion enlightened new Western spiritual view of what a man or woman really is: a Christ in the becoming. Or, even more accurately: a full-blown Christ at inner or higher levelsthat's been covered over with karma and forgetfulness.
ORIGINAL: dattaswami
You yourself also cannot decide because you are also a human being.
So in the ultimate state, I disagree that we are only human beings. Therefore we can decide what's what if we've allowed enough Enlightenment into our worlds.
Therefore the original author of that sacred scripture can alone convince you with correct interpretation.
Since we have all the potential to become, to be, an Incarnation of God, as that's what according to the highest New Age ideals we already are, we can have a direct revelation of the true meaning of scripture without anyone's aid. It happens all the time! In fact, we don't need the scripture as we can experience God directly without the need for written words, though they may help.
Such correct interpretation is called as the real divine knowledge. For this you have to recognize the human form of the Lord present in your generation.
I saw him not long ago - in the mirror!
In my opinion it's a limiting concept that God only appears as 'avatars' or what in Hinduism are called Incarnations. On the other hand, Hinduism, which appears to be your background (?) does have the concept that an Atman (Presence and Being of God) is within us all and is our Real Self: Thou Art That, as the Vedas assert.
So personally I'm not looking around for a particular person: Jesus warned against that, saying people would say, "Lo, here! Lo, there!" and would be wrong- meaning the SecondComing isn't going to be in any one place or any one person.
First there were ages with no concept that anyone could be a Christed figure. Secondly there came Jesus (and others) as exemplars. The Second Coming is the arising of the Christ Light within all humanity: the real meaning and purpose of it all, of the whole process of spiritualising the world.
So where do I "recognise" the Lord in this generation? In the person in the street. In the people on this forum. In the humblest. In those who haven't yet actually self-realised their own innate Divine Nature. In myself, for that matter. I'm certainly not going to be looking around for one particular Incarnation to come and change the world: I'm an Incarnation myself.:D
The identity for such recognition is your inner self which gets convinced by such real interpretation which is aided by your careful and patient analytical faculty of intelligence called as buddhi.
Actually I quite disagree. I know that buddhi means higher intellectual faculties. It's not the intellect or outer, gross mind that can ever recognise the God in another. (And you're not recognising God in people around you, or are you?) The only Being that can know and recognise the Divine is another part of the Divine. And you don't interpret by "patient analytical faculty". The mind can never know or recognise God. It's the God in us that instantly, requiring no time or analysis at all, perceives its oneness with God in another.
If you're Hindu, I'm surprised you don't see this. In the Gita, Krishna symbolises the Divine part of all persons, and the person is Arjuna. That person - you, me, and all, have to learn, like Arjuna/Krishna, to "ride the four-horsed chariot". The four horses symbolise the physical body, the emotions, the mind and the memory. The real Inner Divinity we all are must master those 'horses' or aspects of ourselves which are mere vehicles of expression. So the mind, or buddhi, or intellect, is not "us": it's just an aspect of the lower self the Christ or Krishna in us is learning to ride. The horse isn't the one that's ever going to turn around and recognise the Incarnation t
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😀 I agree Venetian.
Dear All
This is something that I reflected upon a couple of years ago.
'What if the divine plan
IS in perfect order
coming home to ONENESS
and UNITING with the GODHEAD
Empowering humanity to know who they are
To ensure that people take their power back
by truly knowing I AM GOD
and once the human evolution
is achieved and transition complete
peace then reigns once more on earth.
Then all those that did not accept
the second coming as prophecy to BE fulfilled
come to realise
in actual fact the I AM GOD
was just part of the plan
to ensure that when Christ returns
we accept him instead of crucify him.
Then the truth be known who IS GOD'
Divine Love
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I simply appreciate that Anil is outplaying himself - I mean playing his part as himself. And the whole point of a forum is that anyone is welcome to do that.
But as has been commented, there is such a lack of the real dialogue we are used to here on HP. So I wonder if Anil can introspect as to what his motive or cause is? Why post at all? After all, not many people at all read all this from him, so if he's "preaching" as some have said, it's a waste of his time as few read it and he could use his time much more for the betterment of humanity by real-life service. But I'm just posing thoughts here, and not for me to judge.
It just, as we all see, seems a strange "preaching" mindset. So I added my comment. How old are you, Anil? - may I ask. You may get wiser given time. It's never a good idea to be so self-assured. It all ends in a crash-down IMHO, and then you start to look around and make up your OWN mind IMHO.
What I have only glanced at of Anil's posts - only glanced, I admit - appear to be Hinduism-based, but actually are not very savvy on real Hinduism with it's wonderful, broad basis.
I can only repeat that we in the West are not looking for an Incarnation! We consider it to be us (as potential awaiting to be unleashed), and that's the real meaning of the Second Coming. You might say, the "Second Coming" of the Divine is the real Coming, as we'll all embody it.
Venetian