Is the bible true?how do you really know?what do you believe is God?

HI Sacrel

Does God exist, well who knows. Depend on what is meant by God. If it's the God that people have developed as a projection of their ideal self or parents to gain some comfort or control, I'm not into that. That's to me is just supertitious mumbo jumbo. If God is considered to be a name for the nameless, the ineffable(sp) background presence, collective universal consciousness, the source of everything that has been and will be, to use one of my favourite terms, the TAO, then yeh that's fine by me. Also if there is a God, the male principle, then there has to be a Goddess, the female principle. Can't have Yin without the Yang.

As for the bible. The word testament comes from the root word that testicles come from, and that's what I think about it. Yes of course there are pearls of wisdom in the bible, but so there is in other books. Yes of course there is hidden esoteric information, but so there is in other books. At the end of the day it's just a book. I feel that someone that develops a genuine spirituality and has a open heart will take and understand what they need to know from any book or system.

Going back to the subject of God. I recently watched a video on Youtube by a Theravedin Buddhist monk called Ajarn Brahm. He made an interesting statement about once people believed in many gods, then one god, and Buddhism came along believing in no god.

Best Wishes

The Pixie

Hello Everyone 🙂

I always wondered how people come to believe what they believe?? :confused:
Does everyone think the bible is true?, How do you know?.... I mean HOW DO YOU KNOW, FOR SURE?.
Did you not ever question your strong hold belief on the bible?.
Have you ever considered that the disciples may have written in the bible through the ego’s fear, because some of its reading is …well really quite frightening of what God might do if you disobey.
I said to myself” Can an all loving god be this way to his creations?” Now a vengeful God- I don’t believe. :022:
I was strongly brought up with the teachings of the bible on my own accord, yet my way of seeing the bible is now somewhat “different”.
I don’t disbelieve in God ( As I believe God is to me). I believe God is all loving. all powerful, all divine, peace, just everything so beautiful no words can describe…..I wonder what could make people dis believe?..I hope my asking gives a sort of view to meaningful answers and discussions between everyone.

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(A reply from a post carried on from” Healing? A False Illusion?”I felt was a good time to move to. I hope the correct place.) Healing? A False Illusion? Continues though.

Hello Maure

Welcome to HP by the way. You present some interesting beliefs.
I am not really a religious person (Too much control).
But do see God as pure love, yet maybe in a different light (pardon the pun)
Since the illusion post strayed into Gods way I thought it might be better to post in “I think”, is the correct forum.

I wanted to reply with some questions maybe you could or anyone else could bring clarity too?. Often a discussion on God brings a good gathering and I find it amazing the different beliefs.

Quotes: Maure

Illusion???? Im disillusioned by some, God is the Father, therefore male.
We give birth, we do not 'create' God is the Creator of all.
The bible is neither fiction nor fable, its is Truth....
and the truth can be hard to hear sometimes.
But He loves you, despite your harsh speaking against Him.
Servant of Christ.

Illusion???? Im disillusioned by some, God is the Father
(I agree),

Therefore male
( mmm?) .

We give birth,
( I agree.)

We do not 'create' God is the Creator of all.
( I agree. God is the creator of all, if we are made in the likeness of God and we are everything that God is, then are we not (lets call us then: God little creators also?):o)

The bible is neither fiction nor fable, its is Truth...
.( oooh now there’s a question! Although I love the bible, it can seem harsh in places!. that questions if it is teaching love and truth, was it written by disciples who are subjected to their ego as everyone else? Therefore influenced their writings, You know like: God will send you to hell and all this stuff! . Were they writing from the ego’s influence of fear?, don’t know? )

the truth can be hard to hear sometimes.
(Yes, the illusion can block our awareness beyond the veil to hear Gods call)

But He loves you,
(That much is certain):nature-smiley-008:

despite your harsh speaking against Him.
( ??? )

Servant of Christ.
(Does Christ see us all as his servants in the way that we think?. Does Christ belittle his brothers and sisters by telling them they are below him as servants?.
Did Christ not spread the message of love teaching people how to love him and each other? And teaches us that we too are like him, but did not believe. maybe?
For through Christ God shows his love to us!
Does God not teach us that we are free and there is no need to suffer?
Would Christ have us as his servants as a way to love him?.
I don’t know, maybe these questions others maybe able to answer! )

Or maybe I am thinking on a wrong track?:confused:

Would be interesting to read how everyone holds out and stands by their belief.

Just my opinion.(Or is it an illusion?);)

Blessings to everyone

Sacrel

I am a born again Christian that I know for sure and its real as I was there when it happened to me, on the 25th Dec 2002 at 3pm.
I found myself in the presence of Christ Jesus, and I asked 3 requests, now dont go thinking they were wishes or something like that please, that'd be way off the track, perhaps I was unsure, I dont really know, I hadnt heard about Godly things since Sunday School and that would have been over 30something years prior.

I asked, if He would heal my 31yr broken marraige, headed for divorce court, I was living at one of my sons at the time, my husband had always told me never to become a Christian or he'd leave me, but I trusted Jesus with that, and guess what.....the husband stayed.

I asked, for a new life, as I was done with the one I had, worn it out, had had enough of it, going to pubs, drinking thinking it was good, now I see it wasnt at all.

I asked Him to save me, I was on a downward spiral, going faster, I needed lifted up and He did do.

I can say all these were answered, yes, I surely can. Only thing I did omit though and it was so important but I never knew as I had never been over a church door, only for weddings and funerals, so I didnt really remember the Gospel, Repentance I had to ask forgiveness for my sins, because I was a sinner, but am now a sinner saved by grace.

This is a very short testimony, and TESTAMENT is a COVENANT of agreement with legal standing for Reiki Pixie.

I know Ive not answered your questions Sacrel as you have many, but for one the Disciples, were called by Jesus, to spread the Word, sent into all the world, that is why we have the glorious gospel of Jesus Christ, a servant, not as how you are thinking a servant is, there is no 'ranking' in the church of God, that is His people, not a building.
To serve Christ is not a duty, but an honour.
It is better felt, than telt, as they say, it is better to know for yourself than for anyone to try and tell you about it.

My husband is still not saved yet, but he will be, I know it, he goes to church with me every week, has been for the past, nearly 4 years now, but he just wont take that step of faith, it can be hard, I just didnt count any cost, some do which then they think makes it hard and it takes courage to step out in faith....God grant courage please.

I have learned that Jesus paid the ultimate cost, He gave His own life for our sin, He became our sacrifice, blood had to be shed, but He laid down His life for us, no one took it from Him, yes it is still very relevent today, as some still do say I will not have this man to reign over me, they have no time or place in their heart for Him, or they just dont believe.
That is sad, I always believed in God, thanks to my Mum sending me to Sunday School, even though I didnt want to go, it taught me some little thing which was just enough then for me in later years to take that step without even knowing I was stepping, if you can understand it, Im only sorry I didnt do it when I was much younger, but that I cant change.

I got saved then I went to church, my husband is doing it the opposite way round, going to church first, Im glad I just went in for it without hesitation. As seven years on, I wouldnt go back to that other life for anything.

The bible was written by men who were inspired by God to put down in writing what they were being told in the Spirit. and of course they also witnessed it themselves, and they walked so close to Him.
The bible is the inspired word of God, it is truth and the truth will set you free.

I hope you can glean something from what Ive wrote, Sacrel and any others who do read this.
I just want to live my life for Christ, as its the best life I've known, the peace and contentment it brings is undiscribable.

God has wrath, it does make Him angry to see that what he created has turned against Him, doing all sorts of things we were never intented to do.
We are not His children, if we disobey His word.
But He has also allowed us a choice, to choose Christ or reject Him, and on Judgement Day we shall be asked, 'what did you do with Jesus?'
What will be your answer Sacrel, I hope and pray you will be able to say, I choose Him as my Saviour.

with much love to you Sacrel and all others.
There is much more I could write but dont want to over do it.

* Moderators Hat on **

Healthypages forums are for free discussion and debate and should not be seen as a place to preach or convert others to your religion.

Members of these forums are from many different backgrounds, beliefs and faiths therefore please respect others views and don't use the forums to preach.

Thank you for your understanding.

On behalf of the moderators,
Myarka.

I have deleted my post on illusion, which was moved here, removed all the unwanted "religious" references and re-posted it where it belongs - on Sacrel's original thread on the Reiki pages.

Love and peace,

Judy

Hi Principled

Just to let you know that I have moved you post over into this part of Sacrels post, he has split the topic between the religious aspect which is here and the Reiki/energy healing aspect which is there and your post fell into this category 🙂

Healthypages forums are for free discussion and debate and should not be seen as a place to preach or convert others to your religion.

Isn't Maure just answering Sacrel's question from her particular perspective, Myarka?

I always wondered how people come to believe what they believe?? :confused:
Does everyone think the bible is true?, How do you know?.... I mean HOW DO YOU KNOW, FOR SURE?.

Would be interesting to read how everyone holds out and stands by their belief.

Maure has explained what has proven the existence of God for her, and I appreciated her sharing it. Personally speaking, experience of Divine grace doesn't automatically mean the Bible is inerrant.

Judy started a very good thread on the subject...

Dear Paul [with moderator's hat on],

Do we understand the difference between different kinds of knowledge: scientific, philosophical, religious? I do believe absolute distinction between these different forms of knowledge and understanding breaks down under examination. It's kind of interesting to note that the distinction between religion and science is quite a modern phenomenon that goes back only a few hundred years.

As a Buddhist I don't recognise the difference. The Dalai Lama says that if science proves theories in the Buddhist tradition to be unfounded then they should be abandoned. Interestingly very little from the tradition has been shown to be false by these criteria. And that includes the value of tantric ritual practice and tantric models of the subtle body. In fact the more science looks at practices widely used in Buddhist traditions evidence is building which demonstrates their value. We are, of course, some way of scientific verifications of the subtle mind, subtle body and subtle energy.

It's also interesting to note that the workings of the energy body could quite easily fall under categories of religion for many in the West. If not religion these phenomena might be described as New Age or just superstition. And Reiki, not only deals with matters that relate to subtle energy. It's origins are also firmly based in Japanese Buddhist traditions. Other analysis of subtle body activity and "energy" occur in various Buddhist cultures. [Having said this there is no reference to them in the earliest forms of the tradition and the Buddha clearly discouraged metaphysical speculation of any kind. And that includes positing concrete existence in physical objects.]

What is also interesting to note is that the philosophical position that posits some form of ultimate reality outside what we mostly think of as the normal everyday reality of physical objects is widespread and is also a strong theme in Western philosophy. This goes at least as far back as Plato, whose thinking influenced the developing doctrine of the early Christian Church.

Thinking and philosophical outlook is connected with both mental/emotional states, physiological and anatomical condition, disease and health, and the activity of the subtle body and the flow of subtle energy that moves in and around it. The language we use to describe these things depends on the systems of language we use. This language both informs belief and the nature of our experience in very concrete ways. Does the fact that some use the term ultimate reality and some use the term "God" define a distinction between religion and other forms of practice and thinking?

Should this post go under Reike and energy healing, Religion, Philosophy, Spiritual healing or perhaps Mind Therapies? The general subject of Sacrel's post in the Reiki and Energy section is about illusion and the nature of the illusion of sickness and health. The way we think about this is based on our philosophical perspectives and these in turn do affect the way we train our minds. And the way we train our minds does affect the subtle energy and subtle body as well as our physical bodies. I do understand there has to be some kind of criteria for categorising things of course but I do feel that, in the context of Sacrel's original string, which crosses so many boundaries, that Judy's post was relevant where she posted it originally and has little to do with this string. Moving it here seems just a little arbitrary to me.

Norbu

I second what Norbu says.
xx

I do understand there has to be some kind of criteria for categorising things of course but I do feel that, in the context of this string, which crosses so many boundaries that Judy's post has less to do with this string than Sacrel's string on illusion and healing in the Reiki and Energy section.

Norbu

I'd wondered why it needed to moved myself. It seemed fine where it was.

This is weird,

I wrote (and thought I'd posted) a reply to Maure this morning but it has disappeared! Now, I find a reply about illusion that I posted on the Reiki pages which directly answered that thread (about illusion) on one about the Bible and it has nothing to do with the subject! :confused::confused::confused:

Methinks Paul that you have moved a post and made it :offtopic:

Love and peace,

Judy

Isn't Maure just answering Sacrel's question from her particular perspective, Myarka?

Maure has explained what has proven the existence of God for her, and I appreciated her sharing it. Personally speaking, experience of Divine grace doesn't automatically mean the Bible is inerrant.

Judy started a very good thread on the subject...

Thank you Barafundle for your kind reply and how you understood I was 'sharing' and 'answering' some questions asked of me, I do not know how to preach as Im not a preacher, I can only tell, like you say of what God has done in my life, but it is 'free' to us all, we only accept what Christ has already done.

The bible is truth, written by the prophets and disciples for our benefit, it is worth while reading it even though our understanding maybe limited even so, it will cleanse like an ever flowing fountain.

Divine grace it surely is Barafundle, thank you for your encouragement and kindness to my words and here on this forum.

God forbid I would 'push' the gospel down anyone's throat, that is not nor never will be my intention, I just tell my own story and leave it up to the person reading to 'think' on it.

Lordbless you alway.

Now when the sun was setting, all that had any sick brought them to Jesus and He laid His hands on every one of them and healed them' - Luke4v40

25 And a certain woman, which had an issue of blood twelve years, 26 And had suffered many things of many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was nothing bettered, but rather grew worse, 27 When she had heard of Jesus, came in the press behind, and touched his garment. 28 For she said, If I may touch but his clothes, I shall be whole. 29 And straightway the fountain of her blood was dried up; and she felt in her body that she was healed of that plague. 30 And Jesus, immediately knowing in himself that virtue had gone out of him, turned him about in the press, and said, Who touched my clothes Mark 5

I wonder if Jesus was an energy healer?

Norbu

I wonder if Jesus was an energy healer?

Norbu

But of course he was. He's not the only one though; my guru, Mata Amritandamayi, 'cured' a leper over time by licking his lesions. (Sorry.) And sometimes saints and sages choose to let what will be be. If we humble and often unawakened ones can heal, then how could the great ones not?;)

God has wrath, it does make Him angry to see that what he created has turned against Him, doing all sorts of things we were never intented to do.
We are not His children, if we disobey His word.
But He has also allowed us a choice, to choose Christ or reject Him, and on Judgement Day we shall be asked, 'what did you do with Jesus?'
What will be your answer Sacrel, I hope and pray you will be able to say, I choose Him as my Saviour.

Dear Maure,

I don't wish to challenge the witness you give to your faith. However...

Didn't Jesus say:

John14 15If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Matthew 22 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38This is the first and great commandment.
39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Luke 6 37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned

Luke 6 46And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Matthew 7 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

What do you think this means?

Norbu

But of course he was. He's not the only one though; my guru, Mata Amritandamayi, 'cured' a leper over time by licking his lesions. (Sorry.) And sometimes saints and sages choose to let what will be be. If we humble and often unawakened ones can heal, then how could the great ones not?;)

Do you think the mods should shift this discussion into the energy healing section?

Norbu

Do you think the mods should shift this discussion into the energy healing section?

Norbu

Sorry, that's where I thought we were!:p I got mixed up!:cool:

xxx

I think we need to set the record straight here.

Many years ago on HP the site was simply a place where therapists got together and discussed health issues and therapies, at the request of the members, Mike the forum owner put up a section where members could discuss religion, as up to that point there was nowhere for them to discuss their religious beliefs.

As it states in the forum guide which we all have to agree to when we become members:

Guidelines:
When posting a new topic, please select the forum that best relates to the subject matter of your topic.

Now to my understanding that equates to the discussion of things relating to God, religion, the posting of sites with bible classes etc. belongs in the religious forums, to post such material outside of the religious forums is classed as inappropriate and puts the member in breach of the guidelines and leaves them open to moderation etc.

So hopefully. now that we all understand the function of the religious forums is to discuss all things relating to religion, as opposed to the forums which have been set up to discuss health and therapies etc. we can keep the forums running smoothly with the correct sort of information in the correct forums.

I hope this post clarifies the matter for you all.

No, sorry Paul, but it doesn't. I have been on HP for a number of years now. I recall when the forums were increased to include specific religions (Hinduism, Islam, Christianity etc) and when the Spiritual and Psychic and paranormal forum split into two. (And what fun and games we had defining the difference between 'Spirituality' and 'Spiritualism' (still do from time to time, if truth be told!:p) However, it has to be acknowledged that many of us who post here do so from the point of view of being 'believers'. What we believe in is often not really the point, except inasmuch as our belief informs our opinions and views on ALL topics, not just the religious forums per se. Thus, when someone is posting in = say - Mental and Emotional, I will quite often bring my spiritual views, my faith, into play when replying to them. As I said somewhere else, show me where God is not. I can't help that feel that rigidly trying to keep topics separate rather than allowing a more holistic approach where different aspects of a topic or discussion can be brought into play is not the way some of us will be happy to go.
Personally, I don't see the need for such heavy handed modding. I may be alone in this but I think not.;)
xxx

Edit to say that I don't appreciate the thinly veiled threat of moderation in your last post.

personally, i don't see the need for such heavy handed modding. I may be alone in this but i think not.;)

:045:

Dear Paul,

Where would you post something on mindfulness? Buddhism, energy healing, philosophy, general religion, mind therapies, science?

In the Buddhist tradition is not easy to separate mindfulness from all of the above subject areas. In fact it would now also be hard to do the same in Western culture as it is now NICE approved for depression after being shown to be effective in clinical trials. Mindfulness meditation was selected as an intervention by clinical psychologist that realised that mindfulness meditation would be likely to be useful in the context of cognitive behavioural theory.

In the context of the subject of Sacrel's string, notions of what makes reality and illusion are relevant. And if you call ultimate reality "God" that is relevant to the discussion. If you remove a post that uses the term "God" for ultimate reality then you are being discriminatory. And to discriminate merely on grounds or religion is not consistent with this site and is, I believe, also against the law.

Surely the point here is that Sacrel's post was possibly incorrectly placed in the Reiki and Energy healing section. However, it is very possible to interpret Jesus healing in term of energy healing. The use of the words "energy" is just appears to be just a little less evocative of religion than the word "spirit." But neither are understood in contemporary main stream scientific terms and both could be thought, therefore, just as religious or superstitious ideas as each other.

Norbu

Hi All

I wish to continue later with the relevant discussion after some thought on the subject.

But Just wanted to post a quick reply ( While the Irons hot) on the current replies ( Before this post goes off topic and will need to be moved again;))

No, but seriously. A few years ago I did find it easier to post on HP , but I do struggle to find the politically correct place to post now?. So many places and choices to make of where to post!!!

Yet as often as most posts go, everyone tends to stray away now and then, But I find this ..well..fun!:o.

I did not want to make another post in General faiths, but I maybe felt under pressure by mods to do so.( I expect is normal). as the healing post moved more into God, Thats the rules I suppose. yet at the same time did not want to lose the" amazing and magical momentum", of the healing posts energy at the time,the discussion was on fire!

..Some how I do have a slight feeling the move did knock the energy at first for a moment:(.

But has gathered its energy again.:)

I understand and respect mods need to keep order, but as soon as a reply seems off topic a mod steps in!.

I now find myself checking over any replies making sure nothing is out of place, yet I want to say so much at that time.

I suppose its where to draw the line...but when a discussion is going so well and everyone enjoying it, it seems a shame to stop it.:o.

Well there we go!.... I have had my little say:D.

I hope the posts will continue to be enjoyed and discussed amazingly as they are being, we are all learning from each other, much wonderful wisdom is shared by everyone.. With a little bit of leway...pleeze Mods :hug: thank you.

Look forward to replying later.. Ok I'd better get quickly back on topic.;)

Blessings

Sacrel :nature-smiley-008:

Actually, sacrel, if I may answer some of your more general comments, since they appear to have been made in that context and not just about this particular thread.

The moderators don't always jump in the minute a thread looks as if it might be going off topic. Sometimes, just a little reminder is sufficient or ... even better, since we don't like to interfere unnecessarily ... if the members themselves post reminders that this is what's happening, and then someone sometimes voluntarily starts a new thread.

As I said, just setting the record straight, in a general way 😉

Holistic

Actually, sacrel, if I may answer some of your more general comments, since they appear to have been made in that context and not just about this particular thread.

The moderators don't always jump in the minute a thread looks as if it might be going off topic. Sometimes, just a little reminder is sufficient or ... even better, since we don't like to interfere unnecessarily ... if the members themselves post reminders that this is what's happening, and then someone sometimes voluntarily starts a new thread.

As I said, just setting the record straight, in a general way 😉

Holistic

I think we're probably all aware of this, Hol, and appreciative that it is so. Thus I think we were all (though I accept that I shouldn't really be speaking for others and should possibly say just 'I') taken aback when Paul started laying down the law in a fairly peremptory manner and then moving members' posts around without consulting with them first. It did seem to me - and to others - that this was fairly arbitrary.
Speaking personally, as of course I should, I have to say that I have on many occasions thanked the mods on HP for their hard work, impartiality and tact.
xxx

So hopefully. now that we all understand the function of the religious forums is to discuss all things relating to religion, as opposed to the forums which have been set up to discuss health and therapies etc. we can keep the forums running smoothly with the correct sort of information in the correct forums.

I hope this post clarifies the matter for you all.

But Paul, what about my case, when my "religion" includes health and healing?

Actually, this is my favourite description of Christian Science:

[COLOR="Blue"] To live so as to keep human consciousness in constant relation with the divine, the spiritual, and the eternal, is to individualize infinite power; and this is Christian Science. (Miscellany 160)

I don't think that is so very different from how many people here think (perhaps even you yourself)?

And to why you felt you had to lock the 'illusion' thread after I had removed all references to 'religion' and it was about illusion (the thread topic) I can't understand. It didn't belong in this thread (which is now completely off topic!)

I feel bad for Sacral. He started a really interesting thread which hasn't been allowed to develop in the normal way, first being divided into two and then causing all this upset and comment.

Love and peace,

Judy

what's this??...a discussion about the truth of the Holy Bible???...soz everyone...but speaking as a member...not a mod (boo hiss:rolleyes:) I'm picking up an awful lot of negativity here...human error? human misunderstanding??

what I do know is nothing has happened due to malice...maybe the best thing to do is to rise above this...forget it and get back to the topic

Amy......reaching for the sofa smilie cos I know I'm gonna get it :hidesbehindsofa:
x

I think this thread of sacrels in appropiate, and is a good debate. As for recent attitudes of Hp users and moderators, I have noticed a difference on here recently and is quite negative. Ok I know I say some things to wind people up (most of the time I am a serious person, and because i'm serious person I laugh, if you can understand my wayward logic), but on Hp recently users have been too heated, splitting hairs and very reactionary. I'm starting to think can't say anything on here without been accused of been unethical, or as one person put it "negative" when asking another member a simple question.

I put it down to spring time as from a TCM/Chinese esoteric point of view, spring energy related to the Liver organ, which is associated with anger and irritation - Liver Wind Rising. I have noticed that the early spring energy can be disturbing the mind-body complex. This is more where my beliefs are held, the flow of nature/cosmic impersonal forces rather than a fatalistic God.

Best Wishes

Pixie

To return to the topic, my personal view is that it is irrelevant as to whether the bible is true or not. If people believe what is written and live their life according to what is written and this gives them a good life, then that is what really matters. If people derive comfort from or act according to the written words and they have a good life, then the book guiding them i.e. the bible has served as a valuable source of reference. I really can't see how anyone alive today can possibly answer the question with proof, as things are passed on by hearsay and perceived individual interpretations.

As for the word 'God', I personally interpret it as a higher being or energy to which we all are related or even part of. That said, I think I will only know for sure when I pass on from this world.;)

Just my twopennyworth.:hidesbehindsofa:

[With apologies to those members who have more recently joined the thread and are posting on topic, for which we thank you.]

** With moderator's hat on **

To all members posting in this thread:

We would just like to clarify that the warning given in a post on behalf of the team earlier today was not intended for a single member but as a general post to everyone, to remind them to respect each others beliefs and not to preach.

Some subsequent posts seem to suggest that it has been taken as personal to one member and we want to make it clear that this is not the case.

Thanks everyone. 🙂

Holistic
On behalf of the Moderating Team

Hi All:)

Quote: Maure
God has wrath, it does make Him angry to see that what he created has turned against Him, doing all sorts of things we were never intended to do.
We are not His children, if we disobey His word.
But He has also allowed us a choice, to choose Christ or reject Him, and on Judgment Day we shall be asked, 'what did you do with Jesus?'
What will be your answer Sacrel, I hope and pray you will be able to say, I choose Him as my Savior.

I was referring to fear earlier, In my opinion the bible can seem quite frightening with a reverential fear of God lurking in the text.

I see that Maure is quite passionate about God, accepted!.:nature-smiley-008: But I still cannot believe an all loving God would create his word within a bible and try to scare the dickens out of his children if he wanted to tell them that he loves them.

Don’t you think this would frighten his children away from him?

I have always taught forgiveness and the power it contains, no matter what mistakes we make, does God not therefore forgive us, Jesus did!, for we did not know what we do.

Therefore we are only judging each other, which in itself has a power that we do not understand.
In order to judge another is to know everything past, present and future, only God can judge for God knows all this, do you not think?.

Judgment day I believe was made real in our own sight, not in the mind of God.
Should we not free ourselves from the fear of a judgment day in order to bring peace to minds.?

Do you not feel that judgment day is a final healing other than believing it is something carried out by God?, restoring the right mind to everyone.

Maybe, judgment means to see that everyone will in the end come to understand what is real and what is not!. Is therefore deciding what is true from false a way towards freedom, Does God not want us to see truth?.

Remember God looked upon his creations and saw that it was good. The mind itself mis creates then judges its worthiness does it not?.

Don’t you think that the last judgment is projected onto God, therefore it becomes frightening to us!. Of course last can also mean death or to die.

I did say that judgment day can be a healing message; a message that judgment day is the doorway to life., because if we live in fear, are we then really alive? If judgment day is the doorway out of fear, then do we live?. So is then judgment day mis interpreted by the ego as death not wanting you to live.?

When I first read the bible I was afraid, because it taught me of a vengeful and wrath of God will be upon me if I don’t do as it says…….As I grew I have broken away from that belief through many teachings, learning and simply life.

I now believe that an all loving God cannot be any of these things that were taught to me earlier, and I and we all have been forgiven from the very start.

When everything of God is loveable, there is no reason for fear to remain with us,

Blessings to you

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