Hi everyone,
There is a wonderful thread in Reiki about healing, and the reaction that some members on these pages have received from fellow Church members. One person has been told that Reiki is evil and against the wishes of God [sm=nono.gif][sm=nono.gif][sm=nono.gif][sm=cool-smiley-013.gif]!
Angel raised the point that Jesus was a healer and so was he evil?
Here are a few things that I have come to realise about Jesus - I wonder what your views are [sm=scratchchin.gif]
1. Jesus was a hands on healer and so was a spiritual healer or reiki healer - both use the universal energy
2. Jesus was not religious - religion was created afterwards by man
3. Jesus was a human being, he came from the womb and although I think he may have been the only incarnated Master from the
World of Spirit, he was still aman with the whole spectrum of human emotions to work out - just like you and me
4. Because he loved everyone unconditionally, he went among thelepers to heal them, and even blessed his acusers, would he say
that it was wrong to be gay or that women were in any way inferior to men? Religion does!
Anyway as all the great barbers used to say, 'something for the weekend?'
Best wishes
Publisher [sm=wave.gif][sm=wave.gif]
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In total agreement with you Publisher. 🙂
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Can't argue with any of that Publisher! That's why although I believe in God, Jesus and so on, I donotattend a church at present as I have not found one that fits in with my views/beliefs.
Love Juniper
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Dear Publisher
Good thread!
1. Jesus was a hands on healer and so was a spiritual healer or reiki healer - both use the universal energy
Yes
2. Jesus was not religious - religion was created afterwards by man
It is clear from inner layers and meaning of scripture that whoever Jesus was he knew the rites of passage and initiations that souls encounter on their journey, the Ancient Mystery Teachings. It is also clear from the Gospel of Thomas that he taught spiritual independence and this eliminates the need for religion or structured organisations. He also said whoever builds on his foundations with wood, straw, stones, silver etc would come into the light of day. If one calls honouring God religious then he was if one calls honouring God spiritual then he wasn't.
3. Jesus was a human being, he came from the womb and although I think he may have been the only incarnated Master from the
World of Spirit, he was still a man with the whole spectrum of human emotions to work out - just like you and me.
Yes not only did he overcome emotions but he achieved self mastery over human self, he also broke the wheel of karma and the cycle of rebirth information on this can be found in the Jesus Sutra's. His story of his life is a beautiful demonstration of the initiation process that every soul goes through, in the past it was done over many incarnations - the intent of the initiations is to purify the soul. I think many messengers have been sent down the ages and there are many on planet earth now - they come when humanity is most in need of being brought back on track to righteousness, ethical and moral loving.
4. Because he loved everyone unconditionally, he went among the lepers to heal them, and even blessed his acusers, would he say
that it was wrong to be gay or that women were in any way inferior to men? Religion does!
No he wouldn't, he would accept everyone in oneness with zero judgement and unconditional love just like he still does.
Divine Love
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hi all
i must admit i am not as experienced and asindepth in this area ,i have always believed in god and jesus and maybe i have never really analyzed him in this way.
but for my own curiosity how do you feel when he said that he was the son of god?,and the story of clearing the possesion from that boy?
he sort of portrayed that god had sent him to the world to save us.and that no one can come to the father but only through him.
that he walked on water ,you know the sort of examples like these.
im sure there is much more like these examples to pick from , but dont laugh[sm=rollaugh.gif]i might have been watching too many biblical films ,and read the bible too much.
i must admit if what you say is possibly true ,i must be way off how i percieve him,
i never really thought of jesus healing in the way described ,butsomething to think aboutfor me.
i am open minded and do like to see others point of views ,but i tend to stick with what i know as i described above about jesus ,im not sure if i could accept anything different ,possibly years of believing what i have been told as a youngster and sort of followed that image.
maybe i am afraid of bursting the bubble of my thought of what jesus is like.
i dont believe he is evil,i could never think like this of him,but some people do! strange! different views .
but interesting perceptions.
thanks
god bless
andre[sm=FIFangel.gif]
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Hi Publisher,
I have a different view from the other answers above, so here goes:
1. Jesus was a hands on healer and so was a spiritual healer or reiki healer - both use the universal energy
I believe that Jesus understood divine law. That he could see beyond matter and right where disharmony (lack, violent weather etc) or dis-ease (or even death) appeared to be, he could only see what Spirit sees and knows and that is Its own perfection and wholeness. When he raised both Jairus’ daughter and Lazarus, he described them as being "asleep" – to me that shows that he understood so clearly that what appears as mortal existence is only a dream that we need to be woken from.
To my understanding, most healing – whether it is allopathic, Reiki or spiritual healing or any else, starts with a material body and tries to improve it, by using drugs, therapies or energy. I don’t believe that Jesus did that – I believe that his understanding (and therefore his demonstration) was on a wholly different level. Mary Baker Eddy describes I like this:
Jesus beheld in Science the perfect man, who appeared to him where sinning mortal man appears to mortals. In this perfect man the Saviour saw God's own likeness, and this correct view of man healed the sick. Thus Jesus taught that the kingdom of God is intact, universal, and that man is pure and holy. (Science and Health p 476)
This article helps explain more of what I’m trying to describe (and includes a healing of Lyme disease):
Getting below the surface
Jesus was never riveted to the surface appearance of things—whether to a sick body, limited possessions, moral deviation or natural disasters. He plunged beneath the turbulent appearance to the reality of God's allness, goodness and His only-ness—as truly the one and only God. Jesus perceived a spiritual creation and its spiritual cause where others only saw a material creation and a physical cause.
2. Jesus was not religious - religion was created afterwards by man
Actually, Jesus was religious – he was Jewish and knew the Scriptures perfectly. However, he practised the spirit, not just the letter of the Hebrew law. Religion only means connecting to who we are by the way - connecting to the Source. Jesus was not driven by dogma is probably what you wanted to say.
3. Jesus was a human being, he came from the womb and although I think he may have been the only incarnated Master from the
World of Spirit, he was still a man with the whole spectrum of human emotions to work out - just like you and me
I totally believe that Mary was a virgin. Every aspect of Jesus’ life confirmed prophecy – why should this aspect not be included? Why should anything be impossible to God just because we limited-thinking mortals say it is? To me he was a totally unique human manifestation of the Christ, the divine idea of God. I understand that he came to show us the way of living that would free us from all the limitations of material beliefs. His moral teachings were signposts to how to live a happier and fuller life.
4. Because he loved everyone unconditionally, he went among the lepers to heal them, and even blessed his acusers, would he say
that it was wrong to be gay or that women were in any way inferior to men? Religion does!
You are right. There is no account of Jesus condemning gays or of making women inferior – Bible scholars are increasingly recognising that Mary of Magdala may have been an important early Christian leader and that Jesus shared as much of his teachings with her as he did with the 12 disciples. She could no have travelled with them however or she would have been considered to be a prostitute in those days.
Love and peace,
Judy
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sorry publisher but GOD did say that it was wrong to be gay! GOD made adam and eve not adam and steve!!! he listed several things that were ungodly like: listening to false spirits,adultry and murdering someone. JESUS came ,not to change what GOD wanted but to add to it and what he added was to love others as you would love yourself! JESUS said " of all these the greatest is LOVE"
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Hi Calissa,
I would have to say that
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GOD did say that it was wrong to be gay! GOD made adam and eve not adam and steve!!!
is hardly solid evidence, when compared with
of all these the greatest is LOVE
So if two people of the same sex LOVE each other, then surely that is ok?
Love and Reiki Hugs
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no! its not ok! GOD said it was an abomination! do you not read your bible? if i remember correctly you'll find it in Deuteronomy!
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no! its not ok! GOD said it was an abomination! do you not read your bible? if i remember correctly you'll find it in Deuteronomy!
But if LOVE is the greatest thing (as you've quoted Jesus saying) then how can people who have LOVE be wrong or as you put it "an abomination".
If things were not meant to be or to be done then we would not have the choice to be them or to do them.
So would you say that you endevour to be as Christian a person as possible? Do you try and give love to everyone (i.e. love thy neighbour)? If you can honestly say that gay people are an abomination then you are not giving them love as you would expect to be loved yourself. You even quoted "love others as you would love yourself", so how does that reflect on yourself as a person if you cannot find the love to give to others nomatter what their choices.
I'm sure my better half hasgot a bible kicking around here somewhere. I haven't read it for many years now, and there's so many translations and versions of it. Where abouts do I find "Deuteronomy"?
Love and Reiki Hugs
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Where abouts do I find "Deuteronomy"?
It's part of the 'Old Testiment' Giles;), after numbers I think...although I've not done much reading on the old testiment myself[&:]
xxx
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Well I found this:
[link= http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/www/Bible/Deuteronomy.html ]http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/www/Bible/Deuteronomy.html[/link]
But there's 34 chapters and I don't know where to start looking for it saying that it is an abomination to be gay. (obviously it's not going to have the word "gay" in it)
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this may help;)
[link= http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible-gay-christian ]http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible-gay-christian[/link]
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[link= http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible-gay-christian ]http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible-gay-christian[/link]
Thanks for the link Amy, I think that just about sums it up. Good to see someone has done their research properly.
Love and Reiki Hugs
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im still looking as well, but i didnt say that i couldnt "love" gays, i can appreciate all beliefs and ways of life, i was just saying what GOD said about it. he made man to be with woman. or as ive said elsewhere, he made adam and eve, not adam and steve!
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no! its not ok! GOD said it was an abomination! do you not read your bible? if i remember correctly you'll find it in Deuteronomy!
Hi again
This is what you did say...is there any chance you can give us the chapter refference so we can read what it actually says (although that said..being that it's in the OT does make a difference in IMHO!!!!)
Thanks
Amy xx
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ok. i found it! look in lev,18:22,OT and in 1cor,6:9. it talks about homosexuals.
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Chapter 18
- And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
- Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, I am the LORD your God.
- After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances.
- Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the LORD your God.
- Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD.
- None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD.
- The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
- The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness.
- The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover.
- The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or of thy daughter's daughter, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs is thine own nakedness.
- The nakedness of thy father's wife's daughter, begotten of thy father, she is thy sister, thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
- Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister: she is thy father's near kinswoman.
- Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister: for she is thy mother's near kinswoman.
- Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's brother, thou shalt not approach to his wife: she is thine aunt.
- Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter in law: she is thy son's wife; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
- Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it is thy brother's nakedness.
- Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, neither shalt thou take her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness; for they are her near kinswomen: it is wickedness.
- Neither shalt thou take a wife to her sister, to vex her, to uncover her nakedness, beside the other in her life time.
- Also thou shalt not approach unto a woman to uncover her nakedness, as long as she is put apart for her uncleanness.
- Moreover thou shalt not lie carnally with thy neighbour's wife, to defile thyself with her.
- And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
- Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
- Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
- Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
- And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
- Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
- (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)
- That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.
- For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.
- Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God.
Well that's an interesting read. It all seems to be the rules about what a man (see 5.) can and cannot do. So I gues
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er..no Giles...I think you'll find the Bible can come accross as a bit anti-women at times too
I think it's very important to remember that a lot of what the bible says comes down to translation and how a person wishes to read those words...& as I said elsewhere..if a person is happy to be told where to find God or to seek him/her/source ectfor themselves!!!...;)
Love
Amy
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Oh, ok, it's just that it was very specific about going out and telling everyone that "man" should not do all those things with "womankind".
Seems to be a bit out of date with society in that case, hmmmm... perhaps like not accepting gays as being part of modern society.
Love and Reiki Hugs
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what about 1cor2:9- it says: do you not know that the unrighteous will not inheret the kingdom of GOD? do not be decieved. neither fonicators, nor adulters,nor homosexuals. nor sodomites,nor thieves,nor covetous,nor drunkerds,nor revilers,nor extortioners,will inherit the kingdom of GOD! it states homesexuals. meaning a plural, not just to men or women. but both!
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Dear Calissa
I respect that you have your own beliefs but I have to tell you that what you say about your God reinforces every prejudice I have about Christianity: I am not a practising Christian but I honour and revere Jesus as a Son of God and I believe totally in a Supreme Being. However, my God is a God of love and forgiveness and everyone - EVERYONE - will be admitted to the Kingdom of Heaven.
I just have to say how sorry I am that your religion is so exclusive...I find it very sad.
With love
Sunanda xxx
PS I have to say that my God loves gay people, murderers, thieves and sinners in general. Totally.
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having just popped in briefly and read this — quickly, please excuse my being new here, and without meaning to cause offence to anyone - I would like to say two things.
First - it appears we are talking about Dogma here, rather than any true SPIRIT of Christianity as both Judaism and Christianity are taught through the Old,then the New Testaments of the Bible. If anyone decides to take them literally, then surely that is their privilege to do so? If someone takes the ethos behind Christ's words and lives by them, I can hardly see them going wrong, however, there must be a choice surely about how to deal with this i.e. go to Church, or don't go to Church, live by your faith quietly or openly - religious tolerance and freedom is surely what we are seeking here - each to worship assuits them individually.
Second, I certainly don't want to share any kind of Heaven with murderers, thieves, rapists, pheodophiles and the rest of them thank you - and my God serves some kind of judgement for people who make decisions to harm others in any way and keeps them as far away as possible from those of us who try very hard NOT to hurt anyone through their lives. The judgement is He keeps them apart from the souls who have struggled to overcome their baser instincts - perhaps that is where the original concept of hell came from!
Notice, kindly, I left out gays from the above.;)
Mr. F
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if your a believer in Christ then you must read the bible. do you? if you do read the bible then do you believe what Christ says! the bible is full of ways we are supposed to adhere to. from the way we take care of ourselves to the way we treat people. iam notpersonally predjudice against anybody, but i believe that the "supreme being" wants us to act a certain way and not do ungodly things,(as mentioned in the bible) like in 1cor2:9. adultry,sodomising thieveryetc. and the bible says that only the ones who believe on Christ will enter heaven. john 3:16!
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Sorry Calissa but IMO my belief that Jesus was an embodiment of God made flesh doesn't mean that I have to read the Bible. The Bible to me is a body of writings written by men some time after the death of Christ. It has been copied and translated so many times that I understand there is some doubt over large parts of it.
This is my belief. I don't consider myself to be a Christian.
With love
Sunanda x
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i havent labled myself either. there are different kinds of Christians, like Baptists,Methodists,and so on. i havent found anyone who believes the same as me.so am i a Christian,maybe but not the same as every other Christian. anyway,so...what do you base your beliefs on? you believe in GOD and Christ but you dont read his word . I dont get it! is your beliefs based on just your feelings?
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Hi Calissa
I do apologise but here in the UK it's almost midnight and I'm really really too tired to get into this dialogue tonight. Maybe tomorrow, if that's OK with you. Meanwhile I noticed on another thread that you asked what IMHO means. Well IMHO means 'in my humble opinion' and IMO 'in my opinion'. Somewhere on HP there is a thread where all these abbreviations are explained but I haven't got the energy to find it now. If we're very lucky, our link lady, the lovely Holistic might just look it up for us tomorrow. Believe me, she can find anything!
Anyway, I'll wish you goodnight.
With love
Sunanda xxx
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sleep well sweetie, good dreams to ya!!
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what about 1cor2:9- it says: do you not know that the unrighteous will not inheret the kingdom of GOD? do not be decieved. neither fonicators, nor adulters,nor homosexuals. nor sodomites,nor thieves,nor covetous,nor drunkerds,nor revilers,nor extortioners,will inherit the kingdom of GOD!
Are you sure it's 1 corinthians 2:9? I'm only finding...
2:9. But, as it is written: That eye hath not seen, nor ear heard: neither hath it entered into the heart of [link= http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09580c.htm ]man[/link], what things [link= http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06608a.htm ]God[/link] hath prepared for them that [link= http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09397a.htm ]love[/link] him.
for that reference. Can you provide a web link to it?
...it states homesexuals. meaning a plural, not just to men or women. but both!
Plural does not explicitly mean that it means men and women, that's just an interpretatoin. If I said there was a field of football players, that wouldn't mean that there is definitely male and female players on the field.
Love and Reiki Hugs
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Somewhere on HP there is a thread where all these abbreviations are explained but I haven't got the energy to find it now. If we're very lucky, our link lady, the lovely Holistic might just look it up for us tomorrow. Believe me, she can find anything!
Ha ha ha :D:D*blush* 
Well now, aren't you the lucky ones! I just happened upon this post by chance, and though no doubt a thread could be found on here, this is the definite source:
[link= http://www.netlingo.com ]www.netlingo.com[/link]
Go to Acronyms in the left side bar, and look up AATK - that's me! 😉
I also noticed a link there that the book's sold out. Now aren't I the lucky one! I bought it a couple of years ago ... huge fun!
Now I daresay I'll be in bother with the mods for going off-topic 😉
Signed ("the lovely") Holistic 😀