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I hope I don’t offend anyone by posting this but I feel I have to say something about what the Bible says about psychics, mediums etc.

The Bible, both in the Old and New testaments warns against going to psychics and mediums, however I guess throughout the ages people have consulted psychics, mediums etc – particularly when life is hard – after a bereavement, relationship breakdown, job worries and so on. I have known friends and colleagues use psychics and I myself have.

However I do now believe the Bible to be true and makes the points for very good reasons. Throughout the time I have used psychics, very few (if any) predictions have come true (and I have used supposedly reputable psychics). I have actually been given a lot of mis-information about situations which has proved heartbreaking. To be frank, I could have saved myself an awful lot of time and money if I hadn’t gone to them, as they have been a complete and utter waste of time. Ditto my friends who have used psychics as well – they feel used. Most people go to psychics to gain information about particular situations. If false info is given, then the person having the reading can be led up the wrong path completely.

As I said, I do now believe the Bible does have a point (for a very good reason) and will never, ever use them again.

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I hope I don’t offend anyone by posting this but I feel I have to say something about what the Bible says about psychics, mediums etc.

The Bible, both in the Old and New testaments warns against going to psychics and mediums, however I guess throughout the ages people have consulted psychics, mediums etc – particularly when life is hard – after a bereavement, relationship breakdown, job worries and so on. I have known friends and colleagues use psychics and I myself have.

However I do now believe the Bible to be true and makes the points for very good reasons. Throughout the time I have used psychics, very few (if any) predictions have come true (and I have used supposedly reputable psychics). I have actually been given a lot of mis-information about situations which has proved heartbreaking. To be frank, I could have saved myself an awful lot of time and money if I hadn’t gone to them, as they have been a complete and utter waste of time. Ditto my friends who have used psychics as well – they feel used. Most people go to psychics to gain information about particular situations. If false info is given, then the person having the reading can be led up the wrong path completely.

As I said, I do now believe the Bible does have a point (for a very good reason) and will never, ever use them again.

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Not offended in the least. I'm none of the above.

Similarly what do mediums and psychics think about Christianity?

My guess is that there have been far more frauds and charlatans amongst the Christian priesthoods, than mediums and psychics combined. Ten fold and more.

Love & Light

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...and lastly thanks dear Energyls for trying to clarify, never mind!

In my book, butting into one-to-one exchanges is rude...

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I have not read the previous posts so I am unaware if this has been mentioned already or not but if the stories of the bible are true then Jesus showed great mediumistic ability did he not?

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if the stories of the bible are true then Jesus showed great mediumistic ability did he not?

Interesting comment, I have had similar comments from past discussions from fellow collegues. They expressed that the miracles Jesus performed were of mediumistic ability?.

I cannot recall all the miracles Jesus did, But when it comes to knowing things about people, foreseeing future events, his ability to communicate with external forces (Spirit?) and the many healing claims. I can see why they felt mediumistic qualities existed,

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I cannot recall all the miracles Jesus did, But when it comes to knowing things about people, foreseeing future events, his ability to communicate with external forces (Spirit?) and the many healing claims. I can see why they felt mediumistic qualities existed,

And not just jesus I would say sacrel . I think if there was an individual that knew the bible inside out they could draw a list as long as your arm ... There is moses for starters and the burning bush episode and there are a handful of prophets .. Perhaps God has a mobile phone and thats how he comunicates with the biblical crowd ... 😀

x daz x

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Hmmm - having read some posts I don't seem to remember Christ charging cold hard cash for his services which then turned out to be false.

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Interesting comment, I have had similar comments from past discussions from fellow collegues. They expressed that the miracles Jesus performed were of mediumistic ability?.

I cannot recall all the miracles Jesus did, But when it comes to knowing things about people, foreseeing future events, his ability to communicate with external forces (Spirit?) and the many healing claims. I can see why they felt mediumistic qualities existed,

Hi Nice and Sacrel,

I wouldn't describe it as mediumship, but spiritual discernment, the ability to discern and read the one immortal divine Mind (God) rather than just reading mortal mind.

Mary Baker Eddy wrote:

[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]Science and Health p 83/84
There is mortal mind-reading and immortal Mind-reading. The latter is a revelation of divine purpose through spiritual understanding, by which man gains the divine Principle and explanation of all things. Mortal mind-reading and immortal Mind-reading are distinctly opposite standpoints, from which cause and effect are interpreted. The act of reading mortal mind investigates and touches only human beliefs.

In my post above (where I share a link to the healing of the man dying of the snake bite) I discussed this a bit.

Love and peace,

Judy

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Hi Nice and Sacrel,

I wouldn't describe it as mediumship, but spiritual discernment, the ability to discern and read the one immortal divine Mind (God) rather than just reading mortal mind.

Mary Baker Eddy wrote:

[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]Science and Health p 83/84
There is mortal mind-reading and immortal Mind-reading. The latter is a revelation of divine purpose through spiritual understanding, by which man gains the divine Principle and explanation of all things. Mortal mind-reading and immortal Mind-reading are distinctly opposite standpoints, from which cause and effect are interpreted. The act of reading mortal mind investigates and touches only human beliefs.

In my post above (where I share a link to the healing of the man dying of the snake bite) I discussed this a bit.

Love and peace,

Judy

Hi Judy ..

Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted[a] by the devil. 2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’

Sounds like communication being had between physical (jesus) and spirit (devil) .

Being a medium is simply being a channel . Be it for spirit communication or for love / healing or for wisdom / speaking (truth) .

3 Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian, and he led the flock to the far side of the wilderness and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. 2 There the angel of the Lord appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. (clairvoyance)Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up. 3 So Moses thought, “I will go over and see this strange sight—why the bush does not burn up.”

4 When the Lord saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush, “Moses! Moses!”

And Moses said, “Here I am.” (clairaudience)

Communication .. Moses (physical) God (spirit) ..

x daz x

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Being a medium is simply being a channel . Be it for spirit communication or for love / healing or for wisdom / speaking (truth) .

I'm not an expert on the Bible in any way, but the examples given do not seem to me to be channelling, but rather a speaking directly to, and having two-way communication with, a spirit or spirits.

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I'm not an expert on the Bible in any way, but the examples given do not seem to me to be channelling, but rather a speaking directly to, and having two-way communication with, a spirit or spirits.

There is a science behind the ability to bridge the 2 worlds .

The physical and the spirit aspects require energy . An energy from both worlds .

The energy source of the physical world is the medium .

x daz x

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There is a science behind the ability to bridge the 2 worlds .

The physical and the spirit aspects require energy . An energy from both worlds .

The energy source of the physical world is the medium .

x daz x

Does this mean that all spirit / this world contact is mediumship?

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I'm not an expert on the Bible in any way, but the examples given do not seem to me to be channelling, but rather a speaking directly to, and having two-way communication with, a spirit or spirits.

Obviously Crowan, as you don't believe in your concept of what God is, 😉 you would describe it like that, but to me, when the Hebrew prophets and Jesus and his disciples were able to foretell things, receive messages and also read thought, it was a case of yielding up their human thinking and becoming at one with the divine consciousnessof All - what I call divine Mind, God - and as another name for God is Spirit! - so maybe we are saying the same thing, but using different words!

Love and peace,

Judy

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Obviously Crowan, as you don't believe in your concept of what God is, 😉 you would describe it like that, but to me, when the Hebrew prophets and Jesus and his disciples were able to foretell things, receive messages and also read thought, it was a case of yielding up their human thinking and becoming at one with the divine consciousnessof All - what I call divine Mind, God - and as another name for God is Spirit! - so maybe we are saying the same thing, but using different words!

Love and peace,

Judy

Either way, I wouldn't say that it was mediumship. 🙂

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Does this mean that all spirit / this world contact is mediumship?

When a physical individual senses spirit in some shape or form then there is an energetic transference happening that allows a form of contact to be made .

Being a medium is likened to an energy exchange ..

We are all energy . We are all mediums of energy .

In my physical mediumship work it is more apparent that spirit rely on the mediums energy as we can feel the energy being drawn from our energy centres ..

To a lesser degree one can be none the wiser that spirit is within your energy field ..

But there is an energy exchange happening nethertheless .

x daz x

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I think my main purpose of starting this thread was to examine the results of false information being given to clients ( result - a huge amount of distress and damage) and perhaps that is the reason why the Bible (and books of other faiths too) discourage such activities.

To be fair, various people (including psychics and mediums) give differing descriptions/ interpretations of “spirit”. Some may describe spirit as God, others may describe spirit as some sort of other entity whilst others describe spirit/s as those who have passed on or even someone’s own sub-conscious. However it’s a convenient all encompassing, vague generalisation given by psychics and mediums to describe where they get messages from. Everyone has their own interpretations of spirit and, at the end of the day, I guess we all can agree to disagree on this one. However what I can say with some certainty is that messages given to clients are often false. In this instance I personally believe that "spirit" is most certainly not God - as God is pure love and wouldn’t be the source of false information to trick people. The alternative possibility is that psychics and mediums are mis-interpreting messages (by whatever differing ways they receive them) and this may be a possibility. However, if this is the case, then frankly they shouldn’t be practising - as the cost of making a mistake and giving out mis-information can cause untold financial, emotional and mental damage.

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I think my main purpose of starting this thread was to examine the results of false information being given to clients ( result - a huge amount of distress and damage) and perhaps that is the reason why the Bible (and books of other faiths too) discourage such activities.

So where do the genuine mediums / psychics fit into the fold of this thread . For every charlatan there is a genuine medium that gives accurate information . I have been around mediums for twenty years from the supposed best in the u.k. at various spiritual colleges to back street psychic fairs ..

Is this thread just about the harm that charlatan mediums cause or is there room for the wonderful upliftment that genuine mediums bring to their sitters ..

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So where do the genuine mediums / psychics fit into the fold of this thread . For every charlatan there is a genuine medium that gives accurate information . I have been around mediums for twenty years from the supposed best in the u.k. at various spiritual colleges to back street psychic fairs ..

Is this thread just about the harm that charlatan mediums cause or is there room for the wonderful upliftment that genuine mediums bring to their sitters ..

But my question is – how do you know a psychic/medium is a charlatan until it’s too late ? And that’s my point. The damage caused by poor psychics (and whom I personally believe to be the majority of them) is incalculable. It’s why I believe the Bible and other faith books warn against using such people – because at the end of the day a client isn’t going to know whether someone is a charlatan or not. Both my friend and I used so called very reputable psychics and we were both badly stung :mad:.

To the people out there who don’t know – many psychics use “validations” to suck clients in. A validation is some piece of information that the client knows to be true or will shortly find out to be true (something like – this coming week you’ll hear some news from your long lost Aunt Gertie and hey presto you do hear from long lost Aunt Gertie that week or saying that your granny is called Violet and her name is Violet). Having this true snippet of information will lull the client into a false sense of security and they will then believe the rest of the reading the psychic has been giving. The trouble is – until it’s too late you then find out that the majority of the reading is actually wrong.

My friend contacted psychics as she believed her partner was hiding some info. She contacted psychics and bar none all told her that he was faithful, he loved her etc etc. In fact one told her “not to be so stupid” when she suggested her partner may be being unfaithful to her. She found out the truth (he was having an affair and a child with this other woman) in the most horrific way possible which made her ill. So basically all the psychics she had contacted (who were supposedly reputable) had been giving her mis-information. She told me if she’d found out the truth earlier she’d have left the relationship a lot earlier and saved herself money, time and a huge amount of heartache. She feels this was a double deception – one deception by her partner the second deception by the psychics who mis-read for her but gladly took her money (and who strangely all made excuses for their readings or who didn't botehr to call back when she told them the truth).

Indeed I have had similar situations when I contacted so called reputable psychics about my work. All gave wrong info which caused a lot of damage. In fact one behaved so badly I may start a thread just to warn people about unprofessional behaviour that clients have to put up with. (I don’t want to mention it in this thread as it’s not particularly relevant). Indeed I have several readings close together with different psychics and have been given different info about the same topic/questions. You can make your own mind up about that !! Either the psychics are being given false info from so called “spirit” or “guides”or they are mis-interpreting the info. Either way – they should not be practising. But of course this won’t happen as this job is their livelihood :rolleyes:.

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I agree there are many who may discredit genuine mediums. I wonder are these practicing psychic mediums?. One message I often heard for people wishing to develop their mediumship or a psychic ability is to practice, practice, practice. If this is the case psychics should inform the sitter that they are still practicing and to state readings are for entertainment purposes only, the sitter still has full control, decisions and free will over their own lives. I don’t know? .

But I wanted to take a moment to say that I used to read years ago via what would today be called channelling and psychic abilities/mediumship?. I don’t know what to call it. I didnt consider myself a 'Psychic' or 'Medium'etc. I only knew what I experienced.

But I can recall a time when I used to read for others in a spiritual circle on a regular basis. I don’t know how I ended up there?I just did!.All I can say is the truth as I experienced - I stood in this circle, sort of looked within and I was seeing pictures of people, seeing a sort of movie play out in my mind of the life of that person with a sort of hearing names and messages within me…. type thing!.

Once this stopped I then gave off the images, messages, movie I was seeing and names I was told and asking if anyone could take this. To my surprise the people who took the things I saw, and heard I can only describe as being; surprised, shocked, and in some cases alarmed. I was asked on occasions how I knew these things about them and their loved ones passed over?.

Yet at the same time I felt I had intruded in some way! I was just as surprised as they were even asking them ’ can you really take this’? as they are nervously and excitingly accepted with a desperation for more, this sometimes pressured me as I had no more for that person.

I couldn’t continue due to the demands made upon me at the time and the amount of reading requests I recieved. I didnt expect to become popular in such a short space of time, it was sometimes overwhelming.

Today I still have the odd image. Movie play and inner hearing of names when around people at times but tend now mostly to live my life away from the psychic world.

To conclude. I don’t know about people and psychic mediums or how they read or con etc. All I know is I felt, saw and heard things that when I told the people in the circle, they were actually taking the full descriptions. Ironically I am today a person who questions everything and I still recall how I found myself confused as how I came to receive these images, movies, names etc ?
My point is I could not have known these things and in no way knew these people, as each week new people came in the circle.

It certainly is in my view a challenging lifestyle, yet I cannot stress enough and most importantly the great responsibility of the psychic lifestyle towards and the effect it has upon anothers life. This can be most overlooked when people practicing in the psychic world or charlatans however we address them.

I thought about Happygirl's question: "But my question is – how do you know a psychic/medium is a charlatan until it’s too late ?" in my opinion the sitter should seriously consider each communciation the psychic makes, how what is said to them at the time seems correct? Always remember your life still awaits you exactly the same as it was after you leave the psychic reading. Take what you feel is of use for you from the reading and discard the rest. I know this maybe a difficult statement to make but try not to visit a psychic if experincing grief,bereavement or suffering any form of mental illness, anxieties etc. such seeking can be needy that a reading of incorrect infromation may lead to undesired solutions.above all if one still wishes to visit a psychic then maybe genuine word of mouth of the psychic's respectability and experience maybe is another way to validate their genuineness.
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Apologies if I may have slightly digressed off topic:o.Back on topic....:).

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I thought about Happygirl's question: "But my question is – how do you know a psychic/medium is a charlatan until it’s too late ?" in my opinion the sitter should seriously consider each communciation the psychic makes, how what is said to them at the time seems correct? Always remember your life still awaits you exactly the same as it was after you leave the psychic reading. Take what you feel is of use for you from the reading and discard the rest. I know this maybe a difficult statement to make but try not to visit a psychic if experincing grief,bereavement or suffering any form of mental illness, anxieties etc. such seeking can be needy that a reading of incorrect infromation may lead to undesired solutions.above all if one still wishes to visit a psychic then maybe genuine word of mouth of the psychic's respectability and experience maybe is another way to validate their genuineness.
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Apologies if I may have slightly digressed off topic:o.Back on topic....:).

I too have been thinking about that question and I have come to the conclusion/opinion that in actual fact, you can never really tell who is genuine or who is a charlatan in any profession period - even though we may have 'recognized qualifications' for some! I believe that on some level (and this may sound harsh) we are all meant to learn to take responsibility for our own lives and make our decisions with some sort of free will within the framework of our development/knowledge/maturity.......whatever......
We sometimes have this tendency to put people with some title (psychic, medium, doctor, teacher, guru....) on a pedestal, but generally, we already have an idea that something is amiss when we consult one of these professionals for their advice and its still our choice (and responsibility) to take or leave what they say, to act or not act on their advice. Sure, in times of stress, this is difficult, butif we are just looking for someone to tell us what to do, then we have given away our power. No surprise if we then feel power-less later as a result! I'm hoping that the reason that most religions discourage going to mediums/psychics is to encourage us to develop our own direct connection with whoever we need to and to access to whatever knowledge we need, rather than just tarring them all with the same brush because some might be charlatans (at worst) or just fallible.

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I agree to a point that if we consult someone we may put them on a pedestal and give away our power in doing so, however if you are unwell and are not getting any better via self medication what do the majority of people do ? Well they consult a GP or visit a therapist in the hope that these people who have more qualifications, experience, knowledge on a particular subject etc can help with the problem. It’s the same reason that people visit psychics. It’s because someone may have a problem – they can’t get any answers to their problems in the more “conventional” ways – so turn to a psychic (and reputable experienced ones in my case and my friend’s case) for assistance in gleaning more info about an issue. I find it slightly strange that if a person visits a GP or solicitor about a medical or legal problem they are not accused of giving away their power – in fact most people would consider that a sensible course of action. Yet if someone visits a psychic for more info about a problem then that accusation is often levelled at them. Of course you can decide to disagree with a GP, solicitor or psychic – however the problem is that often the client isn’t in a sufficiently experienced position to disagree. I have recently posted answers on a health thread about research I did online so I could self medicate rather than just rely on my GP but at the end of the day we all visit specialists in particular fields to obtain some answers to our problems.

My friend’s issue illustrates the problem slightly better than mine. She contacted a psychic as she knew something was wrong in her relationship and no matter how many questions she asked – she wasn’t getting anywhere. So she visited psychics and they all said he loved her, was faithful and so on. In fact one told her not to be so stupid when she suggested that he may have someone else. My friend is a lovely caring kind person and didn’t want to be the sort of woman who rifles through her partner’s pockets, texts, emails etc looking for info – hence she visited psychics. Now she feels her money would have been better spent hiring a private detective. She is now having counselling not only to try and come to terms with the huge deception her partner has perpetrated but also by the huge deception perpetrated by the psychics. She feels that although she was the client and paid for the readings they actually caused the situation to go on far longer by feeding her false information – which at the end of the day helped her partner not her.

I'd also like to say that if someone consults a GP, solicitor etc and gets given false info, you can go down a route to rectify that as they have to adhere to codes of conduct and can be struck off at the end of the day. However if you are given false info by a psychic then you've lost all the money and there's no comeback for the psychic.

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Hi happygirl,

I didn't quite mean that we put people on a pedestal just because we choose to consult them.......the situation where we can know what we need without having to do that is an ideal situation which we can aspire to and I believe we are capable of. Most of us are not there yet, so we consult experts when we need to. But if you consult someone whether, friend, psychic, or doctor, you can either use the information you get to make an informed choice (not giving away your power) or take what they say as absolute truth and act based on that only (giving away your power). We can do that with a psychic or with a doctor.........in fact, I'd say since we are more likely in our society to put doctors/lawyers etc on pedestals rather than psychics exactly for the reasons you have mentioned; its seen as sensible and they have more accountability if they make a mistake.
I sympathize with you friend because I don't really know what I'd have done in the same situation, but you have to admit she already had her suspicions. For some reason, she was already loosing a sense of trust in her partner. That mistrust led her to consult psychics. Is that in some way better than checking his emails etc for the same reason? Was that not her instinct/intuition at work same as when you decided to research alternative treatments for yourself? Yet she trusted the psychics but you didn't take the advice of doctors. Why was that? Even if the psychics had got it right, would she still not then have had to then deal with the fact that she had not been trusting enough and maybe blamed herself for being suspicious.
All that being said, I agree there unfortunately is no come back if a psychic or medium gets it wrong! In the times the religious texts were being written, they probably knew that was the case..........but then there were no incompetent lawyers/doctors/other experts in those days.........maybe they would have discouraged taking their advice too!! But don't get me wrong........not every doctor is incompetent or every lawyer corrupt or dare I say.......every psychic a charlatan!

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I'm sorry crystal and I don't wish to sound rude - but I don't think you understand what I have said. I never said I didn't take the doctor's advice. I'm a procative person and undertook online research to compliment the doctor's help - hence making myself feel better literally.

Regarding my friend - she has always tried to behave properly and not to do anything underhand. I guess it's easy to say "Oh - I wouldn't do that" when you haven't been in someone else's shoes. I had her permission to use her experiences on this thread and we both thought we'd get comments from people who simply wouldn't understand or be "holier than thou". I can honestly say that my friend tried everything to find out what was wrong in her relationship - but her partner, his friends and family wouldn't talk (they didn't know either btw). So how is she supposed to rectify something when she doesn't know what is happening ?? Should she leave him, have relationship counselling when he wouldn't say anything ? Her only options as she saw it was to either snoop on him (which she thought was unethical) or to visit someone who may be able to shed some light on what the problem may be, EMPOWER herself and therefore she's be able to do something instead of being stuck in the dark.

I'm sorry you don't understand what it's like to be in a difficult position and to be vulnerable.

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Just got back from being a stall holder practicing Oriental Bodywork at a local MBS type show. My colleague I was working with was told by a psychic that she could "see" that my colleague has an aura of a healer, which is quite obvious since she was wearing a clinical outfit and at a MBS show, what else could she be :rolleyes:

But that was nothing compared to nasty incident with one of the "reader's". He was giving a reading to a 18 year old girl, he had a real go at her and called her a "bitch", and as a typically sensitive teenager would do, she was really upset over the experience. The "reader" disappeared, so that the organisers couldn't question him about the incident. Apparently he was having a bad day :rolleyes: He did turn up today but spent the morning spraying "Angel Essence" over himself :rolleyes: Don't know if he was allowed to practice :confused:

Even "if" the "reader" was right, his attitude was out of order and highly unprofessional. And as mentioned thoughout this thread, the danger of egotism and the power over vulnerable people.

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You sound pretty shaken up yourself if you don’t mind me saying.

Tbh – all the psychics my friend and I saw were very nice people. We were very careful and only used recommended psychics and one company said they regularly tested their psychics. However sadly all their readings turned out to be false – hence my concern that nobody really knows whether the reading they have been given is true or false – often until it’s too late. This is the reason why the Bible I believe warns against such activities. No doubt there are some true psychics but from our experiences we didn’t come across any who could give an accurate reading. Of all the psychics my friend contacted after she found out the truth only one was sorry (and my friend did appreciate her vexation) – all the others made excuses for their false readings which she felt weren’t valid. When I found out the truth about my situation, I called one psychic just to politely discuss it with her. I have left several messages on her answer machine over the last 2 months. Needless to say she hasn’t had the common decency to call me back – which imho says an awful lot about her as a person :rolleyes:.

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Sorry happygirl,

I wasn't trying to be holier or not understanding.........just giving an opinion and another perspective which I feel is also valid. I did say I didn't know what I would do in your friends situation(not that I wouldn't do that) because I know when you are in a situation, it always feels different from when you are watching from the outside; you haven't got to struggle with any confusion and emotions, but since you ask, I'll say what would your friend have done if there were no such thing as a psychic?
I say all this because I just don't like to see any group of people taking the flack for the behavior of worst of their kind but also because also having received readings which were wrong from so called psychics, advice which was wrong from so called professionals, heard fake prophecies from spiritual leaders (and professionals), I came to the conclusion that maybe I'd be better off developing my own sense of connection (still working on that). I don't know why they would do what they did, if they were just con artists, incompetent or simply got it wrong, but I cannot believe they can all be like that. I also know that holding on to any bad feelings caused as a result don't serve me in any way, so I just have to let it go or I will still be giving my power away even after the event!

Crystal (now putting on flame repellent outfit) elf!

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You sound pretty shaken up yourself if you don’t mind me saying.

Don't worry HG, I wasn't shaken up, but the girl and her parents were!! Thanks for your concern 🙂 Just expressing what was going on this weekend at the show I was at. When my friend/colleague mentioned her auric reading to me, I did brust out laughing as that could of been a simple cold reading, and a obvious one at that. The sound healer on the stall next door heard our conversation and said I was "cynical". "Yes I am", I said to her and later I explained that I've been doing these shows since 1997 (and early 90's as a punter), having heard and seen so much rubbish, that is the reason why I've become a bit cynical.

As an added general comment to this thread. My cynical attitude isn't a denial of spiritual realms and the possibility of communication, but the questionable medium/psychic/clairvoyent industry has become, and the trust people have with it. Dose of commonsense and some mental "filtering" system (including a B_S_ detector) is needed 😀

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But my question is – how do you know a psychic/medium is a charlatan until it’s too late ? And that’s my point. The damage caused by poor psychics (and whom I personally believe to be the majority of them) is incalculable. It’s why I believe the Bible and other faith books warn against using such people – because at the end of the day a client isn’t going to know whether someone is a charlatan or not. Both my friend and I used so called very reputable psychics and we were both badly stung :mad:.

The funny things is Happygirl last year at a psychic supper run by our local spiritualist church I had a reading . The reading I had was done by a medium that I did not know by face or by reputation .

There were 6 people including myself that had a reading .

Being that I am aware of many 'spiritual' aspects that relate to my own journey / development through my self enquiries and through my own mediumship abilities I can instantly know if the medium is having a connection with me or not . Unfortunately there are many that do not .

In certain fields of my development work it isnt that common for psychics and mediums at times to connect with me on a particular level .

I sat and had a reading with this chap and he connected straight away with one of my German doctor guides and he actually gave me the names and the professions of certain other spirit helpers that worked in other areas of the medical world .

It was one the most accurate readings I have had in a while and it was reassuring to have such confirmations . 🙂

Everyone else at our table thought he was rubbish .. 😮

How can that be :confused:

There are many reasons for why that can be so .. However I am aware that confusion, anger, frustration and such likes can be endured through putting one's faith in the hands of another and then to be left disappointed and heavy hearted .

10 years ago when I came out of a difficult relationship I was an emotional and mental wreck and a particular medium that I had a reading with said not to worry as me and my ex partner were meant to be together forever lol . We have children together and my heart wanted to be as a family and such likes . Well this medium gave me hope and at the time I needed hope .

10 years later and were not together and boy am I glad 😀 .. but for a few years I kept on hoping that we would get back together because of what the medium said ..

Some people could call it a lesson that I had learnt from having false hope by believing in anothers words .. Some people could say I needed false hope just to get me through to the next day ...

There are many things at play I would say in these instances but of course there are individuals out there that are deliberately acquiring funds with the knowing that they are making everything up as they go along .. but where does the law of attraction and what we create for ourselves to experience and all that jazz come into play in these respects .

x daz x

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Hi,

I’d like to say that both my friend and I feel very embarrassed about the fact that we used psychics, however we felt it was better to be open about our mistakes in order to warn others rather than take the easy option of keeping quiet. However we were careful to use people that were "so called" reputable and mostly worked for companies where they said they tested their psychics. In fact several psychics told me they’d attended a psychic college in Stansted (which may mean something to those of you in the know).

To cut a long story short – every reader that my friend contacted gave her exactly the same message – the trouble is that this same message bore no resemblance to reality. The day before she found out about her partner’s infidelity, she had been assured by a psychic that he was faithful !! I did have different messages which led me to believe that something was amiss. I had psychic readings for my work but one question I had was about the fact that I had been asked out by a guy in the building I worked in. However he worked for a different company and I tried to find out (via the normal way )whether he had a wife/girlfriend on the scene – but to no avail. So, as I was having readings regarding my work, I took the opportunity to ask about this chap – did he have a girlfriend/wife at the moment (as I didn't want to go with him if he had) ? I had the following answers from different psychics over a relatively short period:

- he didn’t have anybody
- he was married
- he had just come out of a difficult and painful relationship
- he was stuck in a relationship with a girlfiend that he wasn’t keen on
- he had “friends with benefits”.

Honestly – you don’t know whether to laugh or cry. How on earth is a client supposed to make any sense of the answers above ?

Another thing that some psychics do is to talk about things that the client hadn’t asked about. I called psychics for work issues. However I lost a child many years ago which these psychics threw randomly into the reading (even though I hadn’t asked about my child and deliberately didn’t my child brought into the reading as it was nobody’s business but mine). Them mentioning my child obviously caused me some distress but invariably they got the child’s gender wrong which caused more anguish. So this perhaps shows you the level of callousness that these people operate on.

What I wanted to say is that my friend and I took care to use reputable psychics and we were both badly stung. What on earth happens to poor people who aren’t as careful and use psychics in fairs etc goodness only knows. I know some of you claim that there are genuine people out there giving good readings but we took care to use reputable psychics and were given totally false readings.

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I sat and had a reading with this chap and he connected straight away with one of my German doctor guides and he actually gave me the names and the professions of certain other spirit helpers that worked in other areas of the medical world .

It was one the most accurate readings I have had in a while and it was reassuring to have such confirmations . 🙂

But Daz, that's exactly my point. How do you know that he wasn't simply reading your thoughts?

To repeat what I shared earlier in post 8:

On the same page of the book above, Gillian Gill tells of a time when Eddy attended a spiritualist meeting. The medium described an incident from her youth so perfectly that it brought tears to Eddy’s eyes. Then, as further "proof" one of the company asked the medium to describe Eddy’s mother: "Instantly I pictured in thought the exact opposite of my mother. The medium described precisely what I held in thought and the company beamed with satisfaction. "There," said they, "you have your proof."

Through such experiences, Eddy was convinced that this was simply human mind-reading and the effects of human beliefs and tried to explain the difference between connecting to the divine Mind (God) and reading mortal mind:

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When I learned how mind produces disease on the body, I learned how it produces the manifestations ignorantly imputed to spirits. I saw how the mind's ideals were evolved and made tangible; and it matters not whether that ideal is a flower or a cancer, if the belief is strong enough to manifest it. (Christian Healing p.6)

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I'd also like to say that if someone consults a GP, solicitor etc and gets given false info, you can go down a route to rectify that as they have to adhere to codes of conduct and can be struck off at the end of the day. However if you are given false info by a psychic then you've lost all the money and there's no comeback for the psychic.

If the psychic/medium is adhering to the law then they should be advertising themselves as "For entertainment purposes only", and therefore there is no comeback because, by law, they are not providing a lawfully recognised service that you should base your own life decisions on... thus, legally speaking, the onus is on the sitter to decide for themselves what is 'right' or not about what they're told.

Of course it's different for GP's, Solicitors etc. as they are providing a service which is legally binding in that they should be providing you with the truth to the best of their ability within their training/skills and legal requirements.

So, the comparison is a bit difficult to make. When the law changed to say that such psychics etc. could only advertise themselves as 'for entertainment purposes' they were so much up in arms about it, because they said it was going to ruin their business... yet in truth, it's actually offered them greater protection because people cannot claim against them for mis-information if they do get it wrong.

I personally don't use psychics or mediums etc. myself as I've never come across one I would say I could categorically know to be telling the truth. In my understanding of things, the truth is already within our Self, so if I want to access that truth, I can seek the answers within Self... either through intuition, meditation, or doing my own card reading. That's always worked well for me.

All Love and Reiki Hugs

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