Sacrifice or murder, these are two questions that used to bother me why would God send his Son to the Earth to be murdered at the hands of petty human beings, surely this does not make sense yet it is accepted as the basic tenets of Christianity by so many in blind faith.
Think about it, so if someone wants to murder someone and then someone else gives up their life so that the perpetrators of the crime committed are free from guilt, this does not make sense, even with the Son of God.
How can a person who has not been the one of the crime against them take on the crime of another ,perhaps the judges that we have in the judicial system should really think about these laws, and that they can pass the guilt of one to another, if a person is to spend a period in prison they could take the sins of another with them, so that other person doesn't have to be sentenced, but is set free! Surely you don't have to be a priest to do this, God never called all of them to serve Him.
I remember not too long ago a priest on TV who did not even believe in God, but to him it was just a job!
No, all this would not be accepted yet with the Son of God the Creator of everything it is accepted! (Because it falls in with the teachings of the religions)
This to my mind falls into the sin of blind faith.
I believe all the false interpretations are going to come to an end.God is not mocked!
Gods Law are admantine.
Peace and light
Peter
Murder is what I call that whole situation.
Christians will do headstands in trying to put a moral spin to God needlessly having Jesus murdered but it does not was with anyone with half a brain.
Most of my conversations with theist on this end like this.
Careful how you read it unless you are a theist.
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I am not an atheist but Satan and Christians want atheists to embrace barbaric human sacrifice and the notion that we should profit from punishing the innocent instead of the guilty and here you are preaching for Satan. Shame on you.
In reality, if God did demand such a barbaric sacrifice, he would be sinning.
He would know that barbaric human sacrifice is immoral.
You do too. Right?
Those with good morals will know that no noble and gracious God would demand the sacrifice of a so called son just to prove it's benevolence.
When you die, Satan will ask you; How was your ticket to heaven purchased? With innocent blood?
When you say yes, you become his.
Regards
DL
Is the killing and the resurrection of Jesus simply a symbolic story. Isn't it suggesting that we can all "die" and let go of our mental suffering and change or if preferred "resurrected " to be better and more compassionate human beings.
Isn't Jesus carrying the cross just symbolic of the burdens that we all often carry upon our shoulders? Don't we (as people) create crowns of thorns on our heads, tormented by our misperceptions?
Why waste endless amount of life, arguing, debating, reinterpreting the bible! Sure there are bits of perennial wisdom, but you can found that from many other sources as well.
RP
Sacrifice or murder, these are two questions that used to bother me why would God send his Son to the Earth to be murdered at the hands of petty human beings, surely this does not make sense yet it is accepted as the basic tenets of Christianity by so many in blind faith.
Hi Pete .
Does it make sense to you or anyone for why all individuals die at the hands of others .. If one understands the bigger picture then all will be made clear . Does the picture continually get bigger and with that one's understandings continually change .
Who is this God that sends anyone anywhere?
I have an understanding that everything happens with something else in mind . Life tis all about you but what is all about you can effect everyone else .
In this well oiled and orchestrated universe there is nothing that happens by chance .
x daz x
Is the killing and the resurrection of Jesus simply a symbolic story. Isn't it suggesting that we can all "die" and let go of our mental suffering and change or if preferred "resurrected " to be better and more compassionate human beings.
Isn't Jesus carrying the cross just symbolic of the burdens that we all often carry upon our shoulders? Don't we (as people) create crowns of thorns on our heads, tormented by our misperceptions?
Why waste endless amount of life, arguing, debating, reinterpreting the bible! Sure there are bits of perennial wisdom, but you can found that from many other sources as well.
RP
Hi
I do not believe that the murder of Jesus is symbolic story, I am just reading at the moment about His murder, from one of his closest disciples.
I believe this mental suffering as you put it, we should purify our problems where possible before we leave the earthly level for the more luminous realms.
The story of the resurrection of the physical body I do not believe, I believe that Jesus’s body was removed during the night that it was in the tomb, and removed to another resting place by the disciples.
I think that the carrying of the cross referred to does not refer to the cross of cruelty, the cross of Golgotha!
As for the Crown of thorns He was forced to wear, I may be wrong but I do not attach any symbolism to this, I think it was just an evil deed committed at the time.
You say=
(Why waste endless amount of life, arguing, debating, reinterpreting the bible! Sure there are bits of perennial wisdom, but you can found that from many other sources as well.)
Here I must agree with you I think, God is truth, and when He spoke to us he spoke in Truth, we misinterpret his words to suit our intellect and what pleases us to what we would like to hear.
We all I believe should worship the same God, as there is only one God, as I have said many times so many different religions, yet only one God.
Peace and light
Peter
Hi Pete .
Does it make sense to you or anyone for why all individuals die at the hands of others .. If one understands the bigger picture then all will be made clear . Does the picture continually get bigger and with that one's understandings continually change .
Who is this God that sends anyone anywhere?
I have an understanding that everything happens with something else in mind . Life tis all about you but what is all about you can effect everyone else .
In this well oiled and orchestrated universe there is nothing that happens by chance .
x daz x
Hi daz
Good of you to join in on this thread and share your opinions, you say= (Does it make sense to you or anyone for why all (some)individuals die at the hands of others) I don't think God condones any killing amongst us human beings.
The murders of Jesus stands on its own, Jesus came to guide and help us from the Highest, Level and was a part of God incarnated on Earth (the Love), to murder the Truth bringer was a dastardly deed.
I agree with you the picture does get bigger and one’s understanding does change.
You also say=( Who is this God that sends anyone anywhere?) , To say this without having the full picture, or the knowledge of the purpose why we are here is quite a bold statement.If you knew you wouldn't say this!
I agree with you in this well-oiled universe there is nothing that happens by chance i as you put it. Though many people are making new karmic threads, and breaking of old ones during each incarnation,as we all have free will, but if we all believed in God and His Law of Returns, what a different place the planet earth would be.
Peace and light
Peter X
Good of you to join in on this thread and share your opinions,
Hi Pete,
Always happy to join in with a respectful debate .
The murders of Jesus stands on its own, Jesus came to guide and help us from the Highest, Level and was a part of God incarnated on Earth (the Love), to murder the Truth bringer was a dastardly deed.
Could you entertain the idea that Jesus knew of his impending death prior to his incarnation . I have this understanding that we engage within life and experience our own creation . To some they could see Jesus's death as a sacrifice of a sorts and yet when you are in service to mankind it isn't really a sacrifice at all . Some are born unto this world to take on board the woes of the world and consume / transmute others negativity / sufferings / karmas .
To say this without having the full picture, or the knowledge of the purpose why we are here is quite a bold statement.If you knew you wouldn't say this!
I have my own realizations / understandings regarding my own purpose for why I am here / incarnated at present and I am sure everyone knows that also on some level including Jesus . Like I said nothing is by chance . The life jesus led was written in the stars as all of our lives are ..
An ascended master that touches the lives of millions of people across the world still to this very day will not have their lives ended prematurely by chance or by some form of injustice by some crazy, jealous, fearful romans..
There is always a reason for why things happen, people might not agree with whatever reason that comes to mind but perhaps only Jesus will know / understand the reasons for why his life supposedly ended like it did .
Though many people are making new karmic threads, and breaking of old ones during each incarnation,as we all have free will, but if we all believed in God and His Law of Returns, what a different place the planet earth would be.
I would agree that the world would be a different place if people believed in the law of returns as you put it . It would end a certain amount of sufferings in an instant but part of my understandings is that no matter how much information and no matter how many ways that the universe shows that this is so some will not for a while at least see this process in motion .. and I don't see them having a choice other than to see what they currently see up until the moment that they see differently ...
x daz x
Is the killing and the resurrection of Jesus simply a symbolic story. Isn't it suggesting that we can all "die" and let go of our mental suffering and change or if preferred "resurrected " to be better and more compassionate human beings.
Isn't Jesus carrying the cross just symbolic of the burdens that we all often carry upon our shoulders? Don't we (as people) create crowns of thorns on our heads, tormented by our misperceptions?
Why waste endless amount of life, arguing, debating, reinterpreting the bible! Sure there are bits of perennial wisdom, but you can found that from many other sources as well.
RP
Jesus indicated that he always spoke in parables. this indicates that we should look for the esoteric meaning in everything he sais and everything in scriptures.
So yes. It is all symbolic but the churches will never teach that truth because there is no money in it.
You might like what this gent has to say. My apotheosis was not quite the way he teaches but it is the closest I have found.
[url]1A Hidden Meanings In Bible - YouTube[/url]
Regards
DL
Hi
We all I believe should worship the same God, as there is only one God, as I have said many times so many different religions, yet only one God.
Peace and light
Peter
If so and if real, he is not relevant to anyone as he is not here.
Fictitious Gods are so ---- fictitious ---- and useless except for speculative nonsense.
Regards
DL
Nice 1
It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.
1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.
This indicates that Jesus had no choice.
If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?
God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.
This then begs the question.
What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?
Only an insane God. That’s who.
The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.
One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women.
They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.
Regards
DL