Is it wrong for Christians to practice EFT?

Since we are part of this universal energy, it quite naturally flows through us as it does through trees or streams or anything else. We are all connected. There is no separation.
That being so, there is no need for an aerial system. We do not need to 'pick it up' any more than a pool in a stream needs to pick up water.

Is it realty that simple. Water and a pool is a similar analogy to the light beam and the sun used by many to describe our relationship to spirit. But on this Planet we manifest as a physical body. There has to be a spiritual interface other than the material Meridian system that acts as the link to the energy field.

The way I understand this is whilst we are embracing a physical life experience through inhabiting and functioning with a physical body, we require a way of connecting our non physical aspects of consciousness with our physical body, so just as the physical body has different systems that work together to form a physical body, we also have non physical systems of consciousness that work together to create the environment for our physical bodies to function within.

Our non physical systems are formed through consciousness which is our underlying life force, there are seven main aspects of consciousness which have been termed as chakras because they are often sensed to be spinning like vortexes, though they do not always spin and they also do not always spin in the same direction, so I call them our life force generators because that depicts their function, now because we all set up the environment for our own physical bodies, the life force that we generate needs to be contained around each individual human being for them to individually function with (this is how our general state of health and wellbeing is a direct refection of our underlying state of consciousness - which is our underlying thought patterns and beliefs).

We need a way of connecting and interacting our non physical aspects of consciousness with our physical bodies, this is where the meridians come into play, just like the brain has a nervous system that extends throughout the body, consciousness has the meridians to do the same job. Where the meridians connect with the physical body, they are detectable in a similar way to the way we detect the life force generators, this is what has been mapped out as the meridian system.

Now the field is to my understanding the oneness of consciousness, it seems like a contradiction in terms to say that we are all one within the oneness of consciousness whist we are inhabiting a physical body that is clearly separate to another physical body, but when we choose to accept and connect with the fullness of self (all aspects of our own consciousness), we are also open to connect with the fullness of everything and understand how we all function within the oneness.

Energy is non mass whereas the body is mass.

Really?

E=mc^2

c is a constant for the speed of light
E is the energy
m is the mass

mass equates to energy and energy equates to mass.

split an atom.... small amount of mass, high amount of energy (due to c squared)

Really?

E=mc^2

c is a constant for the speed of light
E is the energy
m is the mass

mass equates to energy and energy equates to mass.

split an atom.... small amount of mass, high amount of energy (due to c squared)

E=M only if E has the same velocity as light squared, thereby cancelling it out of the equation. Normally it doesn't get cancelled out so the Energy remains as a potential. Wave theory explores the theory behind how energy as a potential wave can acquire mass.
It appears to need to be under observation or an influence to cause this change. Probably why healers need to focus on the situation in order to induce an effect. (Cause and effect)

The way I understand this is whilst we are embracing a physical life experience through inhabiting and functioning with a physical body, we require a way of connecting our non physical aspects of consciousness with our physical body, so just as the physical body has different systems that work together to form a physical body, we also have non physical systems of consciousness that work together to create the environment for our physical bodies to function within.

Our non physical systems are formed through consciousness which is our underlying life force, there are seven main aspects of consciousness which have been termed as chakras because they are often sensed to be spinning like vortexes, though they do not always spin and they also do not always spin in the same direction, so I call them our life force generators because that depicts their function, now because we all set up the environment for our own physical bodies, the life force that we generate needs to be contained around each individual human being for them to individually function with (this is how our general state of health and wellbeing is a direct refection of our underlying state of consciousness - which is our underlying thought patterns and beliefs).

We need a way of connecting and interacting our non physical aspects of consciousness with our physical bodies, this is where the meridians come into play, just like the brain has a nervous system that extends throughout the body, consciousness has the meridians to do the same job. Where the meridians connect with the physical body, they are detectable in a similar way to the way we detect the life force generators, this is what has been mapped out as the meridian system.

Now the field is to my understanding the oneness of consciousness, it seems like a contradiction in terms to say that we are all one within the oneness of consciousness whist we are inhabiting a physical body that is clearly separate to another physical body, but when we choose to accept and connect with the fullness of self (all aspects of our own consciousness), we are also open to connect with the fullness of everything and understand how we all function within the oneness.

Very logical, but are the Chakras generators of energy or receivers of energy. If they are generators then it follows that there would be no need of a Universal energy field. We would have our own internal perpetual energy source and in all probability eternal life and never have disease.
I'm inclined to think of the Chakras as the means that the external Universal energy field is absorbed into the physical body to regulate and maintain health.

Is it realty that simple. Water and a pool is a similar analogy to the light beam and the sun used by many to describe our relationship to spirit. But on this Planet we manifest as a physical body. There has to be a spiritual interface other than the material Meridian system that acts as the link to the energy field.

There really doesn't. It is there anyway and all we have to do is put ourselves consciously in the flow to be aware of it. I find I can teach this to students quite easily. The flow through the body is different for different people, but generally they are aware of it entering the hands or feet or top of the head, and gathering in the (usually) solar plexus. As I say, this is to help awareness - it flows everywhere.

Very logical, but are the Chakras generators of energy or receivers of energy. If they are generators then it follows that there would be no need of a Universal energy field. We would have our own internal perpetual energy source and in all probability eternal life and never have disease.
I'm inclined to think of the Chakras as the means that the external Universal energy field is absorbed into the physical body to regulate and maintain health.

Energy cannot be created or destroyed.
If it helps you to see chakras in this way, I don't see that it would be harmful. But it isn't necessary.
The universe is full of energy. Whether or not that is a 'Universal Energy Field', I wouldn't venture to say. It's a bit of a grandiose term, isn't it? Is that how energy healers usually refer to it?

E=M only if E has the same velocity as light squared, thereby cancelling it out of the equation. Normally it doesn't get cancelled out so the Energy remains as a potential. Wave theory explores the theory behind how energy as a potential wave can acquire mass.
It appears to need to be under observation or an influence to cause this change. Probably why healers need to focus on the situation in order to induce an effect. (Cause and effect)

Erm... you're mixing quantum and wave theories with Einstein's simple equation of energy and mass.

Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word "equates"... perhaps I should have said.

Energy is directly related to mass. As C squared is a constant (sure the speed of light can change in different mediums, but Einstein was referring to the speed of light in a vacuum) it has little bearing on the relationship between mass and energy. What the equation tells us is that the more mass something has the more energy it possesses, and visa versa, the more energy there is, the more mass is involved. This is the general principle behind nuclear power (and the bomb), and indeed all chemical reactions etc.

Quantum and wave theories are other theories for explaining subatomic particles and the potential matter that makes up the universe, but they are generally theories relating to the Subatomic world, whereas E=mc^2 can be applied to the atomic level i.e. we could take a pea and calculate how much energy is stored in it (should we be able to convert all atoms of it to their energy equivalent). Sure the energy is potential energy (because it can potentially be released), but it's directly related to the mass, so you can't say that energy is non-mass; that would be like saying that water is non oxygen or non hydrogen.

Energy cannot be created or destroyed.
If it helps you to see chakras in this way, I don't see that it would be harmful. But it isn't necessary.
The universe is full of energy. Whether or not that is a 'Universal Energy Field', I wouldn't venture to say. It's a bit of a grandiose term, isn't it? Is that how energy healers usually refer to it?

As far as "Universal Energy Field" That's me trying to put things into individual boxes. I like to analyse and see how things connect together. But you are right it is academic. As far I'm concerned, understanding how we relate to energy is more important than how all the mechanics hold together, because its so easy not to see the woods for the trees..

As far as "Universal Energy Field" That's me trying to put things into individual boxes. I like to analyse and see how things connect together. But you are right it is academic. As far I'm concerned, understanding how we relate to energy is more important than how all the mechanics hold together, because its so easy not to see the woods for the trees..

Have you ever tried shamanism? Good shamanic teachers (and I hope that I am a good one) should be able to teach you about energy and power. That would bring a pretty clear understanding.
I guess there are other ways, but, first, shamanism is what I know about and, second, when talking to people I've found that those shamanic people who study energy and power (as opposed to just using the words) are much clearer about it that non-shamanic people.

Very logical, but are the Chakras generators of energy or receivers of energy. If they are generators then it follows that there would be no need of a Universal energy field. We would have our own internal perpetual energy source and in all probability eternal life and never have disease.
I'm inclined to think of the Chakras as the means that the external Universal energy field is absorbed into the physical body to regulate and maintain health.

Neither, consciousness is not matter or energy, it is consciousness, the environment that we generate through our life force generators is simply an environment of consciousness that the fabric of the body responds to as it regenerates, one type of life force will create one type of health and wellbeing and a different type of life force will set up a different environment for our bodies to reflect, to change the life force environment simply requires a reordering of our underlying thought patterns and beliefs, which is not done with energy but with consciousness. 😉

I do not perceive a universal energy field, I perceive a oneness of consciousness, I do not perceive that we are dependant upon some external universal energy for our health and wellbeing (though our physical environment can have a bearing on it), I perceive each being having a creative potential to experience whatever, our general state of health and wellbeing is just one aspect of the creative potential we utilise to create our life experience. 🙂

Erm... you're mixing quantum and wave theories with Einstein's simple equation of energy and mass.

Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word "equates"... perhaps I should have said.

Energy is directly related to mass. As C squared is a constant (sure the speed of light can change in different mediums, but Einstein was referring to the speed of light in a vacuum) it has little bearing on the relationship between mass and energy. What the equation tells us is that the more mass something has the more energy it possesses, and visa versa, the more energy there is, the more mass is involved. This is the general principle behind nuclear power (and the bomb), and indeed all chemical reactions etc.

Quantum and wave theories are other theories for explaining subatomic particles and the potential matter that makes up the universe, but they are generally theories relating to the Subatomic world, whereas E=mc^2 can be applied to the atomic level i.e. we could take a pea and calculate how much energy is stored in it (should we be able to convert all atoms of it to their energy equivalent). Sure the energy is potential energy (because it can potentially be released), but it's directly related to the mass, so you can't say that energy is non-mass; that would be like saying that water is non oxygen or non hydrogen.

Not too sure that the analogy of Gases/water or light beams and the sun are applicable as all have mass.
However Einstein states that under correct conditions Energy equals Mass, not that it is directly related to it. There certainly is a link between the two and "Wave" theory suggest the way that they both can become equal to each other (either way). The translation can only happen however when circumstances allow. Einstein it seems was not up to date on all the characteristics of "thought" energies. He is reported as referring, and almost dismissing them as "this spooky" stuff. It is also doubtful if he would have had access to the Higgs Boson effects and probably was not familiar with current wave theory. There is every likelihood that had he been alive today his final formulae would have included "this spooky " stuff, then his equation could have included Quantum .

Have you ever tried shamanism? Good shamanic teachers (and I hope that I am a good one) should be able to teach you about energy and power. That would bring a pretty clear understanding.
I guess there are other ways, but, first, shamanism is what I know about and, second, when talking to people I've found that those shamanic people who study energy and power (as opposed to just using the words) are much clearer about it that non-shamanic people.

To be honest I don't even know what shamanism is. I'm just hanging in there with some of the other stuff. But it is true that lots of people just use words without it seems a deeper understanding, even some of the quotes from the Bible seem tailored to support the writers own thoughts. Energy is a fascinating subject and I think we all could benefit from trying to understand it better.

Just to clarify - I also do not experience an 'external' energy anything.

I've not been on this forum for a while so I've only just seen this. I have given Reiki to deeply faithful practising christians who have really enjoyed it and found nothing in it that was against their faith. EFT isn't really energy healing..... and it isn't acupuncture either but undoubtedly it does use some some acupuncture points. While I have had some run ins with some clergy about reiki, I have never seen or heard any objection to EFT. And since acupuncture is accepted by the medical establishment (unlike reiki) I would not expect any faith based objections to EFT.

Hi Tashanie, what do you mean "EFT isn't really energy healing"? Can you elaborate pls?

Hi Tashanie, what do you mean "EFT isn't really energy healing"? Can you elaborate pls?

I think, what Sally means is, whilst EFT is working on the Energy Meridian System (after all EFT is heavily supported by the AAMET () - the Association for the Advancement of Meridian Energy Techniques), so is in a way an energy modality, it's not "Energy Healing" in the sense of Reiki or other techniques that can be done "hands off" or from a distance, because it's not about the "channelling of energy", but rather a direct manipulation of one's own energy system.

Consider it this way... with something like Reiki, the practitioner is channelling Ki (universal energy) through themselves to the person being treated. Yet with EFT, the practitioner doesn't "channel" any energy to the client, in fact they just show and guide the client in treating themselves, helping them to get to the root causes of their issues, and the clients themselves do the technique of their own volition. It's no different to one person instructing another to drink some water because they've determined they are dehydrated, or telling them to sit by the fire and warm up because they are cold; in this case the practitioner is helping to identify the issues and guides the client to phrase the issue in a particular way, tap a few acupressure points on themselves in a certain way, and re-evaluate how they feel about the issue after; refining and redoing the practice until results are achieved.

I think, what Sally means is, whilst EFT is working on the Energy Meridian System (after all EFT is heavily supported by the AAMET () - the Association for the Advancement of Meridian Energy Techniques), so is in a way an energy modality, it's not "Energy Healing" in the sense of Reiki or other techniques that can be done "hands off" or from a distance, because it's not about the "channelling of energy", but rather a direct manipulation of one's own energy system.

they just show and guide the client in treating themselves, helping them to get to the root causes of their issues, and the clients themselves do the technique of their own volition.

Hi Can you expand on this description of EFT treatment.

There was a healer (not EFT) many years ago who's approach was to inform the client that the cause of a disease was due to the client's own misunderstandings and once the client "rejected" their own incorrect understandings and replaced them with the "correct" understandings the disease would disappear.
Sounds a bit like the EFT approach

In reply to scommstech - EFT (emotional freedom technique) involves tapping on acupuncture points while you're tuned into a negative emotion. This brings the intensity of the said emotion down. I'm not sure what you mean by replacing incorrect understandings with positive ones, but in EFT there's often a cognitive shift when a client is able to see a problem from a different perspective after lowering the intensity of negative emotions.

I think, what Sally means is, whilst EFT is working on the Energy Meridian System (after all EFT is heavily supported by the AAMET () - the Association for the Advancement of Meridian Energy Techniques), so is in a way an energy modality, it's not "Energy Healing" in the sense of Reiki or other techniques that can be done "hands off" or from a distance, because it's not about the "channelling of energy", but rather a direct manipulation of one's own energy system.

Consider it this way... with something like Reiki, the practitioner is channelling Ki (universal energy) through themselves to the person being treated. Yet with EFT, the practitioner doesn't "channel" any energy to the client, in fact they just show and guide the client in treating themselves, helping them to get to the root causes of their issues, and the clients themselves do the technique of their own volition. It's no different to one person instructing another to drink some water because they've determined they are dehydrated, or telling them to sit by the fire and warm up because they are cold; in this case the practitioner is helping to identify the issues and guides the client to phrase the issue in a particular way, tap a few acupressure points on themselves in a certain way, and re-evaluate how they feel about the issue after; refining and redoing the practice until results are achieved.

Oh, I get it. Thanks for the clarification.

In reply to scommstech - EFT (emotional freedom technique) involves tapping on acupuncture points while you're tuned into a negative emotion. This brings the intensity of the said emotion down. I'm not sure what you mean by replacing incorrect understandings with positive ones, but in EFT there's often a cognitive shift when a client is able to see a problem from a different perspective after lowering the intensity of negative emotions.

Hi Orcinus
I can see the principle involved, but how do you decide which negative emotion is to be selected and do you just think about the emotion to tune into it.

Hi Orcinus
I can see the principle involved, but how do you decide which negative emotion is to be selected and do you just think about the emotion to tune into it.

Emotions are a physiological responses to our underlying thought patterns and beliefs, the amount of emotional response just gives an indication of how strong the body is responding to the thought patterns and/or beliefs that are triggering them, the reality is that there are no negative emotions as they are all being created in a positive manner, the same as thoughts which are all creative.

How do you define/recognise a 'negative' emotion? Surely any 'negativity' (I'm trying hard here - it's not a word I use, generally) is in your perception, not in the emotion?

Hi Can you expand on this description of EFT treatment.

There was a healer (not EFT) many years ago who's approach was to inform the client that the cause of a disease was due to the client's own misunderstandings and once the client "rejected" their own incorrect understandings and replaced them with the "correct" understandings the disease would disappear.
Sounds a bit like the EFT approach

That doesn't sound like EFT, that sounds like NLP, where you anchor a "good" feeling or idea in the place where a "bad" feeling/idea exists.

Anyone who describes EFT as rejecting things or that it's the clients own misunderstanding is clearly not trained in EFT.
The core statement for EFT is "The cause of ALL negative emotions is a disruption in the body's energy system" (and thus considers that physical symptoms are a result of the negative emotions). EFT then works to remove the disruption in the body's energy system, thus releasing negative emotions and the causes of physical symptoms.

Is it possible that it is just the terminology that is misleading. Negativity has to be in the interpretation, and it also has to be on a sliding scale.
What is negative to one may not be seen as negative to another, just like the Y axis. It is only +ve or -Ve if viewed from an assigned centre point. All Thoughts are creative, but we can create what some may consider as bad thoughts, just as we can create what some consider good thoughts.

Is it possible that it is just the terminology that is misleading. Negativity has to be in the interpretation, and it also has to be on a sliding scale.
What is negative to one may not be seen as negative to another, just like the Y axis. It is only +ve or -Ve if viewed from an assigned centre point. All Thoughts are creative, but we can create what some may consider as bad thoughts, just as we can create what some consider good thoughts.

Yes it is the terminology in most things that gets in the way of understanding what is happening and why something is the way it is. 🙂

When we choose to label something good or bad, positive or negative etc, we are applying a personal judgement or a judgemental understanding that arises from an underlying judgemental belief, all of the therapies or healing work that is used in this type of work is applied to help people overcome their own underlying judgemental beliefs, so that they can move into a position of self acceptance.

The underlying judgemental conflicts can be assessed through the emotional responses that the thought patterns and associated underlying core beliefs set up in the body, so the first thing is to ascertain the underlying problem, then to ask the person to think of the problem and assess it on a sliding scale of 0 to 10, we use 0 to indicate they feel nothing at all which is the ideal as this is neutral up to 10 which would be so intense that they would consider throwing themselves off a tall building.

Whatever they are feeling is not important, whatever the underlying inner divisional conflict is that they have created within themselves is irrelevant, whatever happened at the time they chose to create the judgemental conflict is irrelevant, it just requires addressing and sorting out, we do not place a judgemental label on things, we simply ask for something to identify the conflict and a number between 0 and 10 then resolve or remove the judgemental conflict and at 0 they have achieved self acceptance and it is done.

As well as the sliding scale with zero in the middle, there's always the option of stepping off the scale completely. This means giving up the entire idea of duality - negative/positive, good/evil. These notions only have power if we, by our focus, give it to them.

That is it in a nutshell Crowan, that is the place we try and help people to be in. 😉

Is it possible that it is just the terminology that is misleading. Negativity has to be in the interpretation, and it also has to be on a sliding scale.
What is negative to one may not be seen as negative to another, just like the Y axis. It is only +ve or -Ve if viewed from an assigned centre point. All Thoughts are creative, but we can create what some may consider as bad thoughts, just as we can create what some consider good thoughts.

Certainly. However for the everyday person, they have their own negative things they want to make positive, so if EFT helps them change that to their positive (even if it's not another persons positive) then that's healing for them.
Of course it's relative, but when something someone perceives as negative themselves is causing them problems, whether emotional, physical or whatever, then they have that choice to change it.