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Does God get a fail in the love category?

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Does God get a fail in the love category?

All will agree that in loving someone, that love must be shown in works, deeds and actions. This allows for reciprocity which is what makes what would be a one way corrupted love a true two way love.

Believers see God as the greatest lover of mankind yet he does no works or deeds to show us that he loves us.

Love, like faith, without works and deeds is dead. That’s scripture. Love, to be true love, must be shown by works, deeds and actions. The fact that God does not show his love by works, deeds and actions at a personal or collective level means that God does not love us. Some are going to point to the notion that God created them but remember that that is not a provable claim so please do not offer it. Remember that way too high of a percentage of us are born with defects.

Do you believe that God loves us?

Why or why not?

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God is also said to love us unconditionally. Yet if we do not love, honor, obey and believe in him, we are condemned and punished. Those are all conditions we must meet to get his love returned to us.

Does God love us unconditionally?

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Love and morals developed to enhance interaction and living within groups of people and perhaps other entities.
God was alone and did not need to develop morals and could not love anyone because he was alone for untold millennia.

Is God even able to love?

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I don't believe there is anywhere in the scriptures that God is described as a "genocidal son murderer". This is just your own perception.

We do not have any members on this forum preaching or advocating such. This forum is not created for such topics.

I am a mod and therefore have the right to ask you to respect other members beliefs in line with the guidelines.

You cannot say that "that is what God is" when you do not believe in God. To those who do not believe in God, he is just a conceptual figurehead for religious beliefs. Next you'll be telling me that he is clearly a miracle worker as the scriptures also depict such stories.

By the sounds of it, the love you have for both seems conditional.
Are you saying you would not have love for the person who is your wife if she did not return love to you? Are you happy to place such conditions on your love? If, for example, your wife was in an accident and lost her memory of who you were, or was in a coma or suchlike, would you cease to love your wife because she cannot return love to you?
As for Shania Twain, why would you choose not to have love for her? or for any other person for that matter.
In spiritual terms, true Love exists between all. This seems to be a concept you are not familiar with, or that you find unconfortable?

How do you know? Acceptance suggests conditions. True love is beyond conditions and beyond acceptance.

You presume to know me when you clearly do not. "pining" is attachment, and attachments come when we place restrictions and conditions on things e.g. "I can only love you if you are with me". There is no need for pining if true love exists between us.

I could not be removed from the true love between us (because true love cannot be removed) and I would seek to help her to prevent her from even doing those things.
I see you're love is clearly conditional, as you choose to abandon your wife who clearly needs help if she were to undertake such misguided actions.

Your vivid examples only go to show that you do not know what true love is, and it is true love that is referred to by those who talk of God as being Love. Instead, you are projecting your own idea of Love which is really conditional love and using that to try and discredit the concept of God. Whilst I don't believe in God myself, you're words are clearly showing your misunderstanding of the teachings and what is meant by "God is Love".

Conditional love again is what you are referring to.

I think you meant to ask if I am "Bi" as in bisexual, but what has that got to do with true or unconditional love? I guess you obviously intend such remarks to try and inflame the discussion, by trying to make things personal. Such remarks are not suitable or within the forum guidelines. ()

This only indicates your idea of love is based upon sexual relationships and that you fail to see the difference between conditional and unconditional love.

So let me ask you... do you not have any love for your father?

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Not much. He raped my sister. Do you love him unconditionally as well?

You went into a lot of personal **** here and that is what it is even as you would perhaps deny it.

Let me know if you want to get on topic and if so, keep it short.

Oh. And shove your psychobabble where it belongs. Yours seems to have plenty of room in that particular file.

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DL

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Looked at shamanically, if enough power is put into an idea of a deity then this will construct a ‘thought-form’ which will be imbued with a spirit. (I think of it as a ‘job description’ which a spirit then fills.)

That being so, it is entirely possible that both the “genocidal son murderer” and the “god is love” exist.

Which means that it would be possible – although possibly not advisable – to visit both in a shamanic trance journey.
(Not that I would. I’m quite happy dealing with the deities that I do visit.)

If something can be imagined by man, it automatically becomes something God created.

That is how man creates his Gods. He just plagiarizes along and steals attributes and makes sure that his God has the biggest ****.

You are right in that both exist, but only as epitomes of the forms we have given God within our minds. One is just fire as shown in this shamanic style of reading of the scriptures.

[url]210b Rod Spine = Serpent Kundalini - YouTube[/url]

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DL

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Hi

I believe everything in creation is formed by radiation, by the Creator, for me to explain this is very difficult, as I have taken many years of study to come to the understanding that I have at the moment.

Love I also believe travels on the ray purity.

A person

“will feel distinctly that it is only a longing and a desire to harbour something Divine within him, but not a certainty!
It is quite right to say that man carries within him a spark of God but this spark of God is spirit! it is not a part of Divinity

The term spark is a perfectly correct designation. A spark develops and flies out without taking along or bearing within it anything of the quality of the producer. It is the same here a spark of God is not itself Divine.”

The artist paints a picture and you can recognise the artist from the picture, but the artist is not in the picture he is probably a long way away, yet you have the picture before you,as is with The Creator.

Yes indeed you do. Quite the prick.

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DL

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