Divine Intervention By God...Do You Believe In This?

It clearly implies that you have experiences of divine intervention. Go ahead and share your lovely story. It is nice when divine intervention can be clearly perceived as the principle that is active on its own accord rather than something that depends on your personal effort, power or doing.

It clearly implies that you have experiences of divine intervention. Go ahead and share your lovely story. It is nice when divine intervention can be clearly perceived as the principle that is active on its own accord rather than something that depends on your personal effort, power or doing.

Hello Jnani, thank you for your reply. I have just joined this site and exploring the many Forums and Threads contained in them.

I will collate my thoughts and share the experiences that have fortified my belief in divine intervention by God. This is a challenge for me to put in text how deeply I feel about. I do believe that if a person has deep faith and trust in God ,then his/her life can be affected for positive and negative by divine intervention.

Please bear with me as I need to construct my post/s.

Hello Jnani, thank you for your reply. I have just joined this site and exploring the many Forums and Threads contained in them.

I will collate my thoughts and share the experiences that have fortified my belief in divine intervention by God. This is a challenge for me to put in text how deeply I feel about. I do believe that if a person has deep faith and trust in God ,then his/her life can be affected for positive and negative by divine intervention.

Please bear with me as I need to construct my post/s.

Hello TwoRobins,

I'm just popping in to say welcome to HP! I agree with Jnani that it sounds like you have some wonderful things to share and I too would love to hear your story. No rush, just take your time and when you're ready... Everyone here on HP is lovely and you can feel quite confident that you won't get attacked by trolls! 😮 There don't seem to be many traditional Christians here, but I for one really welcome someone else to share ideas and inspiration with.

Blessings,

Judy

Hello TwoRobins,

I'm just popping in to say welcome to HP! I agree with Jnani that it sounds like you have some wonderful things to share and I too would love to hear your story. No rush, just take your time and when you're ready... Everyone here on HP is lovely and you can feel quite confident that you won't get attacked by trolls! 😮 There don't seem to be many traditional Christians here, but I for one really welcome someone else to share ideas and inspiration with.

Blessings,

Judy

Good morning Judy.

Thank you for your reply. It's good to feel welcome on this oasis Thread.

I have been thinking about what to tell you all and I will start by first of a few experiences in what I call Divine Intervention byt God the Creator of all things temporal and spiritual. I am 73 and lived a full life, married 50 years and now a widow of 15 months. I miss my dear Husband so very much but am sustained with my Faith in God and the Holy Family.

Back in the mid 2000, our youngest Son met a girl when he moved form another county ( I live in England) Sean & Jodi planned to get married and struggled with finances and there was no prospect of them having a traditional big wedding most girls' dream usually. Jodi my daughter in law is a lovely lass and I love her like a Daughter. Jodidis not in good health and is diabetes1 on insulin since a child and has Crones desease but she has coped over the years mentally and physically.

We were all as a family worried that the much desired wedding as soon as they wanted would not happen due to their finances with Sean not being a high wage earner or Jodi. This was a big concern but we accepted that one day they would have a nice wedding with a bit of help from Family.

Jodi's Mother died when Jodi was 21, and left her Father a widower. Her Mum has a Sister and she unbeknown-st to us all entered Jodi into a competition in a popular well known magazine of the time. The magazine wanted to have a story that was worthy of their prize and this was a a wedding and all expenses paid even to the honeymoon in Florida. the prize was awesome. He Aunt wrote a true account of her Niece and her Mother and the trials and tribulations Jodi had since early childhood. She submitted it to the mag and as I said all unbeknown-st to us all.

Out of the blue we heard that Jodi had won the top prize!! It was a bolt out of the blue and you can imagine our delight! Our Son and future DIL could marry and start a new life together as they so wanted. We couldnt believe it, it was incredible. Their wedding day was filled with happiness and love and they are happily together with a little girl of nearly seven, our dear Granddaughter.

I have strong Faith and a belief and trust in God and more so since a few decades ago, but that's another story I will relay in due course. My late Husband and I and all close Family marvelled at how this unexpected way we could only describe a s miracle and I still marvel.

Now this is where my strong belief in Divine Intervention comes in: Jodi has strong Faith in God and His goodness and we are very close and she is more like a Daughter to me ( we had two lovely boys, no girls) She prayed fervently in private as did I, and I know that God answered us in His own Will. This was not pure coincidence or luck as could be described. It went beyond pure chance and reinforced my belief and trust in God. There are certain happenings that defy all reasoning.

So, this is one experience I have had the pleasure of sharing with you all. There is another Divine Intervention that concerns Sean & Jodi and I will share this when I gathert my thoughts.

Thank you for reading and I hope it's an inspiration to members who pop into this Thread. There is more to share with my other experiences of what I believe is Divine Intervention.

God Bless

Two Robins.

Hello Jnani, thank you for your reply. I have just joined this site and exploring the many Forums and Threads contained in them.

I will collate my thoughts and share the experiences that have fortified my belief in divine intervention by God. This is a challenge for me to put in text how deeply I feel about. I do believe that if a person has deep faith and trust in God ,then his/her life can be affected for positive and negative by divine intervention.

Please bear with me as I need to construct my post/s.

Welcome to the big family at hp. We look forward to reading your experiences and wisdom.
I know it is easier to experience and marvel at divine glory but sometimes very hard to put it in words....
I am sure it will be a very positive read for all, as this principle is beyond confines of religions, yet common to them all.

HI, and welcome to the forum.

I personally am not too sure about Divine intervention because for every positive example there seems to be thousands of cases where Divine intervention would not have gone amiss. Saying that, I am positive of Divine law.

Divine law to me is enabled through prayer. Not the give me sort of request but the affirmative one when we actively accept and comply with Divine will. Very difficult for those like me us who have been brought up in the material world and find it hard to see beyond it.

I know of a Methodist minister who had a heart attack. He had bypass surgery and survived. However he never completely recovered. He knew the surgeon and was told that sometimes the heart does not completely recover after an attack, as in his case.

The minister told me that one day he attended a "healing" service in his church, given by another minister. My minister friend found that he had regained his health due to that service.

Now some would say where was Divine intervention when he had his heart attack. But does it actually exist ?

To my way of thinking the healing he experienced was due to the visiting minister applying Divine law. The law which says that we are made as a Divine image and as such illness cannot exist .

Maybe Jodi or someone applied Divine law that resulted in the happy outcome. Whatever the reason I wish them well.

HI, and welcome to the forum.

I personally am not too sure about Divine intervention because for every positive example there seems to be thousands of cases where Divine intervention would not have gone amiss. Saying that, I am positive of Divine law.

Divine law to me is enabled through prayer. Not the give me sort of request but the affirmative one when we actively accept and comply with Divine will. Very difficult for those like me us who have been brought up in the material world and find it hard to see beyond it.

I know of a Methodist minister who had a heart attack. He had bypass surgery and survived. However he never completely recovered. He knew the surgeon and was told that sometimes the heart does not completely recover after an attack, as in his case.

The minister told me that one day he attended a "healing" service in his church, given by another minister. My minister friend found that he had regained his health due to that service.

Now some would say where was Divine intervention when he had his heart attack. But does it actually exist ?

To my way of thinking the healing he experienced was due to the visiting minister applying Divine law. The law which says that we are made as a Divine image and as such illness cannot exist .

Maybe Jodi or someone applied Divine law that resulted in the happy outcome. Whatever the reason I wish them well.

An interesting post and thank you for replying. This is another interesting aspect of how things can happen to us humans that defy logical explanation; that's too hard to pinpoint as circumstantial and good luck.

The paragraph that I highlighted in blue brought to mind immediately that God works through people for the good and does necessarily not wave a magic wand, hypothetically speaking. Jodi's Aunt was prompted to enter her Niece into the competition and something undefinable prompted her at that time and unbidden, not pre-planned as such, just a desire to see Jodi and Sean marry in how they would have done if they had had the finances. Her deceased beloved Sister may have been a powerful force foe the good from the spirit realm.

The man was healed by the service received a gift via the Minister and this could have been Divine intervention through a healing process for the good of this sick man . God can work in mysterious ways, I am pleased that the man regained his health and hope is is enjoying his life..

Best wishes

Two Robins

I was thinking about Divine intervention and remembered an incident that happened to my wife in Hong Kong.
She absentmindedly went to step out into the path of a moving tram. She told me that she felt someone pull her back. She looked around but there was nobody near her. That to me could be seen as a Divine intervention, but I would need a lot of convincing to think that God personally had pulled my wife back. I could accept that it was the work of one of her spiritual guides or angels, but why don't other people in the same situation get assistance.
The Divine law that I have more faith in is available to all, just like gravity or maths. It is a matter of understanding the laws and then applying them.

If anyone believes in Guardian angels it could have been hers. It is said that these special angels exist and I dont' dispute it ( who am I to dispute what no human being really knows?) but am slightly sceptical. However the things that have happened in my life do defy my logical understanding and go beyond the realms normal possibility. and this is where in my case Divine Intervention by God and He uses hos powers for good throu people and not just people who believe in Him as the supreme Creator. of everytthing we humans know.

If it was a guardian angle then why we my ask doesn't it happen regularly in situations of danger? Has your wife experienced other dangerous times and escaped any harm and not had the experience that she had of something pulling her back? I am trying to think of any experiences that I have had like this but can't think of any at the moment and if I do will share it on here.

I believe in a Law that is not temporal and we are governed as humans by this Law. I don't think of it as a Divine Law as gravity and maths. Those two forces and other forces exist and created by the Divine Law by God as Christians know Him. I do not question too much about things I do now know or understand and never will, as I believe that too much questioning can lead to restlessness and discontent. Maybe ignorance id bliss and being simplistic is my life compass helps me cope with adversity as it's backed by Faith and trust in God.

I will share the other happening in my Son and Daughter in law's life since they wed 11 years ago.

Two Robins

Hi Two Robins,

Thanks for all you've shared so far. Sorry I've been so quiet, but I have been reading. It's just that life is a bit hectic at the moment.
I have lots to share about angels and God's law (I'm in agreement with Scomm there) but will have to come back later. However:

I will share the other happening in my Son and Daughter in law's life since they wed 11 years ago.

Two Robins

Still looking forward to hearing about that.

Love and peace,

Judy

Hi Judy...sorry I've been so long getting back in here.

My Son and Daughter in law after their wonderful wedding settled down not too far from where me and my late Husband live. Jodi my DIL has had very poor health since a small child, diabetes 1 on on insulin and also was born with twisted intestines which rendered her and still does in pain and discomfort but not as bad as it was.over the years. They were told that she may never be able to have children due to the complications of the diabetes and general health. They resigned themselves to this it was not an issue for them but naturally they would have loved a baby. Finances were tight but they managed.

One day we were out to lunch with them with her widower Dad and at the table they said.. We have something to tell you and I said oh no not another pet dog!! " After a pause they announced that Jodi was expecting a baby....well we were dumbstruck in view of they never thought this would happen. after what the specialist told them. I used to pray to God for a miracle and prayed for His Divine Intervention. Her pregnancy and labour was very complicated and she had a Cesarean section and Lauren was two months premature and she thrived and grew into the beautiful child she is. Jodi was seriously ill for a long time but gradually improved with constant care. her poor body was ina bad way for a few years but Nature slowly healed her. from the trauma of the pregnancy and the birth.

That's my story about our Son and Daughter in law.

Hello at last, Two Robins,

Please forgive me for not responding to your thoughtful and inspirational posts for so long. I have been very busy, and knowing this post/s was going to take a long time, kept making me procrastinate. But I have also struggled with how to reply to you in a way that will not offend you. But it’s no good - I have to be honest. So I will be.

I am 73 and lived a full life, married 50 years and now a widow of 15 months. I miss my dear Husband so very much but am sustained with my Faith in God and the Holy Family.

Of course you miss him, bless you, but I’m sure you know he is still going on and your love for each other can never die. In that one sentence, you list so many things to be grateful for – fill your heart with gratitude each day – it’s so healing. You have had and still have so much more than many people in this world ever will. Rejoice!

What Jodi and Sean have experienced is as you’ve said, more cause for overflowing gratitude! Thank you for sharing their inspiring answers to prayer.

Now, had your question been, “Do you believe prayer is effective?” I would have had no problem at all in answering. But I have to admit that no, I do not believe in divine intervention – I’m with Scomm on this one, I believe in divine law, which is always available to all, just like, for instance, the laws of mathematics. You can use them whatever your religious persuasion (or none), but of course, you have to learn and understand them before you can use them.

The problem as I see it, with believing in divine intervention, is multi-faceted. What are we to think when requests for help only appear to be answered in a random fashion or worse still, not at all? Does that mean God hears only certain petitions or loves some of His children more than others? Does it mean that you have to belong to a certain religion or Christian denomination to be rewarded? If your prayers aren’t answered, does it mean that sickness, sin, and death are means by which God instructs and disciplines His children, and that He sets these tools aside only when certain conditions are met? Also the fact that many people believe that all the evil, the problems and suffering in the world can be “set aside” by God through divine intervention gives that evil an identity and a legitimacy, while to my understanding, God is all GOOD (not a human moral concept of goodness, but all purity and perfection) and reality - the kingdom of God that Jesus taught us is here and now - is also perfect.

Do you see the problem I have with this concept of divine intervention?

Let me try to illustrate how I understand the way that God seems to answer prayer. There is nobody "up there" pulling strings, deciding if it’s our day to be rewarded or punished. (Having said that, I do believe that when we do things that cause others harm, that sin punishes itself.)

I see the law of God as a divine Principle, Love, which is a unconditional, eternal and universal (like the laws of mathematics or music). It is ever-present, ever-operative and all-powerful. We have to put ourselves under that law though.

I have often told the little allegory of three neighbours - one had wet washing indoors, the next an ailing house plant in a dark corner, the third, no hot water, but solar panels still in their boxes.

In each case, the answer to their problem was to do something - to go outside and put their "problem" in contact with the heat, light and energy of the sun. The sun didn't know of those individual problems, it was just being the sun - shining away, pouring out heat, light and energy, providing the solutions without being aware of the problems. I see God something like that.

What God is constantly supplying us with is ideas – angels messages, but we have to act on those messages (like Scomm’s wife did) and like the way your family was moved to pray and Jodi’s aunt was given the idea to enter the competition.

If those three neighbours had continued staying indoors, their problems would not have been solved. If you have a radio, but don’t turn it on and tune it in, you continue in silence.

Most of the world has the wrong concept of God – or worse still, no concept at all of the vital importance of love, gratitude and forgiveness. Of the vital importance in seeing divine goodness, right where evil, lack, suffering etc. appears to be to the mortal senses.

Love does not allow suffering any more than the sun allows darkness or the laws of mathematics allow mistakes, but yes, mistakes happen because people have not yet understood the principles correctly (or been taught them!) Where the whole world fears (for instance) certain diseases, it’s the fear that brings on the suffering. God, Love is the solution – Love is not the cause of human suffering and Love doesn’t decide which one of HisHer beloved children deserve (or don’t) to be blessed.

Love and peace,

Judy

I was thinking about Divine intervention and remembered an incident that happened to my wife in Hong Kong.
She absentmindedly went to step out into the path of a moving tram. She told me that she felt someone pull her back. She looked around but there was nobody near her. That to me could be seen as a Divine intervention, but I would need a lot of convincing to think that God personally had pulled my wife back. I could accept that it was the work of one of her spiritual guides or angels, but why don't other people in the same situation get assistance.
The Divine law that I have more faith in is available to all, just like gravity or maths. It is a matter of understanding the laws and then applying them.

That was a wonderful experience you wife had and I would definitely call it an angel experience - not divine intervention. There are so many promises in the Bible that God will protect us through His angels, like one of the most well known, from Psalm 91:

Ps. 91:9-12
Because thou hast made the Lord, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation; There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling. For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways. They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone

As a Christian Scientist, I think of angels as God's messages. As Mary Baker Eddy (the woman who re-discovered how Jesus and his followers healed) wrote in her book, Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures,

Angels. God’s thoughts passing to man; spiritual intuitions, pure and perfect; the inspiration of goodness, purity, and immortality, counteracting all evil, sensuality, and mortality.p 581

What we need, is to be listening to these messages, like your wife obviously was that day and like the people in these two articles were:

[url]Safe on a road trip [/url]

Finding Safety

Just popped back to say that there's a book, writen a couple of decades ago, called just "Angels" by Hope Price, a vicar's wife. She collected angel stories from many people and from history. If you can find a copy - it's a very inspiring read.

Love and peace,

Judy

What a fascinating thread. I have a christian background but my own experience has led me to believe that God cannot be defined by one church, one concept. So while I am no longer a practising Christian I still have a strong belief in the divine. Like Judy I believe that we can tap into divine assistance if we do so in the right way. But I also believe in divine justice that will not allow us to receive something that would be harmful to someone else. This may lead to someone feeling their prayers have not been answered.

But I also believe in divine justice that will not allow us to receive something that would be harmful to someone else. This may lead to someone feeling their prayers have not been answered.

Very good point Tashanie! 🙂

In the book of James in the NT we find:

And even when you ask, you don't get it because your motives are all wrong--you want only what will give you pleasure. (James 4:3 New Living Translation)

And Mary Baker Eddy’s commentary on that passage:

Experience teaches us that we do not always receive the blessings we ask for in prayer. There is some misapprehension of the source and means of all goodness and blessedness, or we should certainly receive that for which we ask. The Scriptures say: “Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.” That which we desire and for which we ask, it is not always best for us to receive. In this case infinite Love will not grant the request. (Science and Health p 10)

Love and peace,

Judy

Hello at last, Two Robins,

Please forgive me for not responding to your thoughtful and inspirational posts for so long. I have been very busy, and knowing this post/s was going to take a long time, kept making me procrastinate. But I have also struggled with how to reply to you in a way that will not offend you. But it’s no good - I have to be honest. So I will be.

Of course you miss him, bless you, but I’m sure you know he is still going on and your love for each other can never die. In that one sentence, you list so many things to be grateful for – fill your heart with gratitude each day – it’s so healing. You have had and still have so much more than many people in this world ever will. Rejoice!

What Jodi and Sean have experienced is as you’ve said, more cause for overflowing gratitude! Thank you for sharing their inspiring answers to prayer.

Now, had your question been, “Do you believe prayer is effective?” I would have had no problem at all in answering. But I have to admit that no, I do not believe in divine intervention – I’m with Scomm on this one, I believe in divine law, which is always available to all, just like, for instance, the laws of mathematics. You can use them whatever your religious persuasion (or none), but of course, you have to learn and understand them before you can use them.

The problem as I see it, with believing in divine intervention, is multi-faceted. What are we to think when requests for help only appear to be answered in a random fashion or worse still, not at all? Does that mean God hears only certain petitions or loves some of His children more than others? Does it mean that you have to belong to a certain religion or Christian denomination to be rewarded? If your prayers aren’t answered, does it mean that sickness, sin, and death are means by which God instructs and disciplines His children, and that He sets these tools aside only when certain conditions are met? Also the fact that many people believe that all the evil, the problems and suffering in the world can be “set aside” by God through divine intervention gives that evil an identity and a legitimacy, while to my understanding, God is all GOOD (not a human moral concept of goodness, but all purity and perfection) and reality - the kingdom of God that Jesus taught us is here and now - is also perfect.

Do you see the problem I have with this concept of divine intervention?

Let me try to illustrate how I understand the way that God seems to answer prayer. There is nobody "up there" pulling strings, deciding if it’s our day to be rewarded or punished. (Having said that, I do believe that when we do things that cause others harm, that sin punishes itself.)

I see the law of God as a divine Principle, Love, which is a unconditional, eternal and universal (like the laws of mathematics or music). It is ever-present, ever-operative and all-powerful. We have to put ourselves under that law though.

I have often told the little allegory of three neighbours - one had wet washing indoors, the next an ailing house plant in a dark corner, the third, no hot water, but solar panels still in their boxes.

In each case, the answer to their problem was to do something - to go outside and put their "problem" in contact with the heat, light and energy of the sun. The sun didn't know of those individual problems, it was just being the sun - shining away, pouring out heat, light and energy, providing the solutions without being aware of the problems. I see God something like that.

What God is constantly supplying us with is ideas – angels messages, but we have to act on those messages (like Scomm’s wife did) and like the way your family was moved to pray and Jodi’s aunt was given the idea to enter the competition.

If those three neighbours had continued staying indoors, their problems would not have been solved. If you have a radio, but don’t turn it on and tune it in, you continue in silence.

Most of the world has the wrong concept of God – or worse still, no concept at all of the vital importance of love, gratitude and forgiveness. Of the vital importance in seeing divine goodness, right where evil, lack, suffering etc. appears to be to the mortal senses.

Love does not allow suffering any more than the sun allows darkness or the laws of mathematics allow mistakes, but yes, mistakes happen because people have not yet understood the principles correctly (or been taught them!) Where the whole world fears (for instance) certain diseases, it’s the fear that brings on the suffering. God, Love is the solution – Love is not the cause of human suffering and Love doesn’t decide which one of HisHer beloved children deserve (or don’t) to be blessed.

Love and peace,

Judy

Hello...I have read your post, Judy, and it has spurred me to think about what you have shared with us. It's going to take me a bit of time to digest it and then collate my thoughts to respond. Thank you very much for replying in depth and I will read everyones posts when I can pop in.

God Bless

Two Robins.

Hello...I have read your post, Judy, and it has spurred me to think about what you have shared with us. It's going to take me a bit of time to digest it and then collate my thoughts to respond. Thank you very much for replying in depth and I will read everyones posts when I can pop in.

God Bless

Two Robins.

Hello at last, Two Robins,

Please forgive me for not responding to your thoughtful and inspirational posts for so long. I have been very busy, and knowing this post/s was going to take a long time, kept making me procrastinate. But I have also struggled with how to reply to you in a way that will not offend you. But it’s no good - I have to be honest. So I will be.

Of course you miss him, bless you, but I’m sure you know he is still going on and your love for each other can never die. In that one sentence, you list so many things to be grateful for – fill your heart with gratitude each day – it’s so healing. You have had and still have so much more than many people in this world ever will. Rejoice!

What Jodi and Sean have experienced is as you’ve said, more cause for overflowing gratitude! Thank you for sharing their inspiring answers to prayer.

Now, had your question been, “Do you believe prayer is effective?” I would have had no problem at all in answering. But I have to admit that no, I do not believe in divine intervention – I’m with Scomm on this one, I believe in divine law, which is always available to all, just like, for instance, the laws of mathematics. You can use them whatever your religious persuasion (or none), but of course, you have to learn and understand them before you can use them.

The problem as I see it, with believing in divine intervention, is multi-faceted. What are we to think when requests for help only appear to be answered in a random fashion or worse still, not at all? Does that mean God hears only certain petitions or loves some of His children more than others? Does it mean that you have to belong to a certain religion or Christian denomination to be rewarded? If your prayers aren’t answered, does it mean that sickness, sin, and death are means by which God instructs and disciplines His children, and that He sets these tools aside only when certain conditions are met? Also the fact that many people believe that all the evil, the problems and suffering in the world can be “set aside” by God through divine intervention gives that evil an identity and a legitimacy, while to my understanding, God is all GOOD (not a human moral concept of goodness, but all purity and perfection) and reality - the kingdom of God that Jesus taught us is here and now - is also perfect.

Do you see the problem I have with this concept of divine intervention?

Let me try to illustrate how I understand the way that God seems to answer prayer. There is nobody "up there" pulling strings, deciding if it’s our day to be rewarded or punished. (Having said that, I do believe that when we do things that cause others harm, that sin punishes itself.)

I see the law of God as a divine Principle, Love, which is a unconditional, eternal and universal (like the laws of mathematics or music). It is ever-present, ever-operative and all-powerful. We have to put ourselves under that law though.

I have often told the little allegory of three neighbours - one had wet washing indoors, the next an ailing house plant in a dark corner, the third, no hot water, but solar panels still in their boxes.

In each case, the answer to their problem was to do something - to go outside and put their "problem" in contact with the heat, light and energy of the sun. The sun didn't know of those individual problems, it was just being the sun - shining away, pouring out heat, light and energy, providing the solutions without being aware of the problems. I see God something like that.

What God is constantly supplying us with is ideas – angels messages, but we have to act on those messages (like Scomm’s wife did) and like the way your family was moved to pray and Jodi’s aunt was given the idea to enter the competition.

If those three neighbours had continued staying indoors, their problems would not have been solved. If you have a radio, but don’t turn it on and tune it in, you continue in silence.

Most of the world has the wrong concept of God – or worse still, no concept at all of the vital importance of love, gratitude and forgiveness. Of the vital importance in seeing divine goodness, right where evil, lack, suffering etc. appears to be to the mortal senses.

Love does not allow suffering any more than the sun allows darkness or the laws of mathematics allow mistakes, but yes, mistakes happen because people have not yet understood the principles correctly (or been taught them!) Where the whole world fears (for instance) certain diseases, it’s the fear that brings on the suffering. God, Love is the solution – Love is not the cause of human suffering and Love doesn’t decide which one of HisHer beloved children deserve (or don’t) to be blessed.

Love and peace,

Judy

Received much comfort from your post Judy.

Received much comfort from your post Judy.

So sorry to be so tardy in replying....tempus fugit! Your thoughtful caring post inspired and certainly not offended me . Para five interested me and I've thought about this over time. For me what I believe is my personal Divine Intervention over the many years is deep rooted in my heart. God for me is a very personal God, my Creator and Creator of all that we know as human beings. I believe in the soul, the very core to every human being, the invisible mainspring that is unfathomable and indestructible When we die the soul departs form the body and goes to a realm/s that we do not know or comprehend. I do not question, I just simply believe whats in my heart and mind and its not a conditioning process for me. it springs from trust and hope.

Divine Intervention is gained for me by fervent, simple ,trusting Prayer talking to a loving God and the Holy Trinity as a child would to it's Parents. Regulated Prayer is a bedrock and I pray my usual Prayers The Lords Prayer and other Prayers I have known all my life. When I ask God for help in whichever way he decrees by his Divine Will then I trust that my prayer/s will be listened to and answered if not immediately but over a course of time and a long time in some instances. I can bear witness to this with myself and others close to me. I believe that God works through people in a way that is hard to take in but Ive experienced this in the course of time.

I miss my dear Husband so very much but as time has elapsed over the 16 months since his passing I have gained a little strength that manifests itself quietly but forcefully. The grieving process is taking it's course for me. I believe he , my Husband is with me in spirit and have a strong link with him and maybe this is because he was taken from me and his earthly life so suddenly and unexpectedly and died in my presence, I saw and heard him take his last breath, we didn't get the chance to say Good bye! I do believe it's part of God's plan for me and I do not question it in depth but of course I amd devasted but not angry with God. as my Faith keeps me from spiritually collapsing.

I could continue, Judy but will stop here as it's quite draining for me. I do hope youy will read my reply to you and reply in due couse

God Bless.

Two Robins

So sorry to be so tardy in replying....tempus fugit! Your thoughtful caring post inspired and certainly not offended me . Para five interested me and I've thought about this over time. For me what I believe is my personal Divine Intervention over the many years is deep rooted in my heart. God for me is a very personal God, my Creator and Creator of all that we know as human beings. I believe in the soul, the very core to every human being, the invisible mainspring that is unfathomable and indestructible When we die the soul departs form the body and goes to a realm/s that we do not know or comprehend. I do not question, I just simply believe whats in my heart and mind and its not a conditioning process for me. it springs from trust and hope.

Divine Intervention is gained for me by fervent, simple ,trusting Prayer talking to a loving God and the Holy Trinity as a child would to it's Parents. Regulated Prayer is a bedrock and I pray my usual Prayers The Lords Prayer and other Prayers I have known all my life. When I ask God for help in whichever way he decrees by his Divine Will then I trust that my prayer/s will be listened to and answered if not immediately but over a course of time and a long time in some instances. I can bear witness to this with myself and others close to me. I believe that God works through people in a way that is hard to take in but Ive experienced this in the course of time.

I miss my dear Husband so very much but as time has elapsed over the 16 months since his passing I have gained a little strength that manifests itself quietly but forcefully. The grieving process is taking it's course for me. I believe he , my Husband is with me in spirit and have a strong link with him and maybe this is because he was taken from me and his earthly life so suddenly and unexpectedly and died in my presence, I saw and heard him take his last breath, we didn't get the chance to say Good bye! I do believe it's part of God's plan for me and I do not question it in depth but of course I amd devasted but not angry with God. as my Faith keeps me from spiritually collapsing.

I could continue, Judy but will stop here as it's quite draining for me. I do hope youy will read my reply to you and reply in due couse

God Bless.

Two Robins

Tashanie thank you for your post. It has helped me along since reading it.I do believe that if I ask God not tolet any of my actions harm anyone I am very close to then He will intervene and not listen to me. I can bear witness to this but cant share as its too personal and close to my heart.

Two Robins

So sorry to be so tardy in replying....tempus fugit! Your thoughtful caring post inspired and certainly not offended me . Para five interested me and I've thought about this over time. For me what I believe is my personal Divine Intervention over the many years is deep rooted in my heart. God for me is a very personal God, my Creator and Creator of all that we know as human beings. I believe in the soul, the very core to every human being, the invisible mainspring that is unfathomable and indestructible When we die the soul departs form the body and goes to a realm/s that we do not know or comprehend. I do not question, I just simply believe whats in my heart and mind and its not a conditioning process for me. it springs from trust and hope.

Divine Intervention is gained for me by fervent, simple ,trusting Prayer talking to a loving God and the Holy Trinity as a child would to it's Parents. Regulated Prayer is a bedrock and I pray my usual Prayers The Lords Prayer and other Prayers I have known all my life. When I ask God for help in whichever way he decrees by his Divine Will then I trust that my prayer/s will be listened to and answered if not immediately but over a course of time and a long time in some instances. I can bear witness to this with myself and others close to me. I believe that God works through people in a way that is hard to take in but Ive experienced this in the course of time.

I miss my dear Husband so very much but as time has elapsed over the 16 months since his passing I have gained a little strength that manifests itself quietly but forcefully. The grieving process is taking it's course for me. I believe he , my Husband is with me in spirit and have a strong link with him and maybe this is because he was taken from me and his earthly life so suddenly and unexpectedly and died in my presence, I saw and heard him take his last breath, we didn't get the chance to say Good bye! I do believe it's part of God's plan for me and I do not question it in depth but of course I amd devasted but not angry with God. as my Faith keeps me from spiritually collapsing.

I could continue, Judy but will stop here as it's quite draining for me. I do hope youy will read my reply to you and reply in due couse

God Bless.

Two Robins

Hello Two Robins – well, I think this could be described as “in due course”! :p

I totally resonate with what you’ve written and just wish that most people had such a beautiful strong faith as you do, bless you.

I have long chats with God all the time – sometimes I call Him Father and sometimes I call Her Mother – guess that’s pretty personal! Other times, when I’ve had clear direction about where to go or how to do something or even exactly what to say, I think of God as infinite Mind, as when Paul said, “Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus” (Phil 2:5) Other times, when I just feel like I’m all wrapped up in a warm blanket of love, it’s so clear that God is, as John described (1 John 4:8), divine Love, the source of what we (and also other living creatures) faintly reflect as love, especially mothering love. When I marvel at the beauty and precision of nature, at the triumph of the human spirit over adversity (seen especially at the Paralympics) at the grace of a ballet dancer etc, I think of God as Soul and see all of Soul’s qualities expressed in beauty, grandeur and order. I understand that God is Life Itself – the Life that can never end, never be extinguished. The Bible links God to truth and light again and again. And let’s not forget that Jesus told us that God is Spirit (John 4:24). God is all of these – and much, much more, the centre and circumference of being. Mary Baker Eddy who re-discovered the Science of Christianity that I study, sums it up well:

"I believe in God as the Supreme Being. I know not what the person of omnipotence and omnipresence is, or what the infinite includes; therefore, I worship that of which I can conceive, first, as a loving Father and Mother; then, as thought ascends the scale of being to diviner consciousness, God becomes to me, as to the apostle who declared it, “God is Love,” — divine Principle, — which I worship; and “after the manner of my fathers, so worship I God.” (Miscellaneous Writings p 96)

Every time I read one of your posts about how much you miss your precious husband, I think of this article about the two stones on a beach. It just keeps knocking at my thought, so I’m going to share it with you right now. But before you read that, perhaps this first one will help you find comfort too:

[url]People kept referring to me as a widow[/url]

[url]THE MESSAGE was a stone's throw away[/url]

Love and peace,

Judy

Hello Two Robins – well, I think this could be described as “in due course”! :p

I totally resonate with what you’ve written and just wish that most people had such a beautiful strong faith as you do, bless you.

I have long chats with God all the time – sometimes I call Him Father and sometimes I call Her Mother – guess that’s pretty personal! Other times, when I’ve had clear direction about where to go or how to do something or even exactly what to say, I think of God as infinite Mind, as when Paul said, “Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus” (Phil 2:5) Other times, when I just feel like I’m all wrapped up in a warm blanket of love, it’s so clear that God is, as John described (1 John 4:8), divine Love, the source of what we (and also other living creatures) faintly reflect as love, especially mothering love. When I marvel at the beauty and precision of nature, at the triumph of the human spirit over adversity (seen especially at the Paralympics) at the grace of a ballet dancer etc, I think of God as Soul and see all of Soul’s qualities expressed in beauty, grandeur and order. I understand that God is Life Itself – the Life that can never end, never be extinguished. The Bible links God to truth and light again and again. And let’s not forget that Jesus told us that God is Spirit (John 4:24). God is all of these – and much, much more, the centre and circumference of being. Mary Baker Eddy who re-discovered the Science of Christianity that I study, sums it up well:

"I believe in God as the Supreme Being. I know not what the person of omnipotence and omnipresence is, or what the infinite includes; therefore, I worship that of which I can conceive, first, as a loving Father and Mother; then, as thought ascends the scale of being to diviner consciousness, God becomes to me, as to the apostle who declared it, “God is Love,” — divine Principle, — which I worship; and “after the manner of my fathers, so worship I God.” (Miscellaneous Writings p 96)

Every time I read one of your posts about how much you miss your precious husband, I think of this article about the two stones on a beach. It just keeps knocking at my thought, so I’m going to share it with you right now. But before you read that, perhaps this first one will help you find comfort too:

[url]People kept referring to me as a widow[/url]

[url]THE MESSAGE was a stone's throw away[/url]

Love and peace,

Judy

Hello Judy

So pleased to log on this morning and see a message from you. I find it impossble right now to convey how much your thoughts and inclusion in the links inspired and comforted me, so much so, I need to think about my reply. and compose my post thoughtfully and with care. So much has happened to me in the passing weeks and for the good and despite my grieving I am coping.

God's Blessings and Graces come to you in abundance, Judy

Two Robins.

. . God for me is a very personal God, my Creator and Creator of all that we know as human beings. I believe in the soul, the very core to every human being, the invisible mainspring that is unfathomable and indestructible When we die the soul departs form the body and goes to a realm/s that we do not know or comprehend. I do not question, I just simply believe whats in my heart and mind and its not a conditioning process for me. it springs from trust and hope.

I try to think of the soul as a derivative of God, just as a rain drop is a derivative of the ocean. As derivatives of God our bodies which are earthy presentations of the soul have to be capable of unlimited perfect expression. I don't think that the soul actually leaves the body, as I can't see them as separate entities, just a different understanding of the same idea.
I just wish that I had more faith to live the idea.:(

Sorry it seems that I've added my reply to the original post. Getting late.

Good morning.. Many thanks for your thoughts. Your opening sentence I can relate to as I feel likewise about the Soul. To me the soul is sacred, a direct connection with the God as I know Him. One thing that struck me is that God has no gender. Judy's thoughts on this prompted me to think of God as a pure gender less divine Spirit and this I find acceptable and rather comforting. Your thoughts on the Soul being separate from the mortal form is interesting and I will think on about this.

God Bless

Two Robins

Judy's thoughts on this prompted me to think of God as a pure gender less divine Spirit and this I find acceptable and rather comforting.

God Bless

Two Robins

That's lovely Two Robins!

The trouble with the traditional view of God as solely a male, is that over the centuries punishment, judgement, wrath etc have been attached to that concept and God has become something to be feared and obeyed only because people are terrified of ending up in eternal flames, not because they love God, good and it's natural to live in the highest and best way possible, because that is closest to our true spiritual, God-like nature.

It's interesting because the Old Testament in particular has many references to a mothering God and even uses the meaning "the breasted one" for one of the Hebrew names for God, which links in with John's pronouncement that God is Love.

Several years ago I came across the first religious book written by a woman in English. In 1373 . Julian of Norwich (not her real name) had a series of sixteen visions of being taught by the crucified Jesus on her death bed (which healed her). She became an anchoress in the church of St Julian (and took its name) then wrote down (over 20 years) what she had seen, in a little book called “The Revelations of divine Love”. She would have been burnt at the stake for heresy, but because all religious writing in those days was in Latin and English was the language of the peasants, it was protected by not being noticed. Also, there were just a few hand-written copies in those days. It was secreted to Europe by a groups of nuns during Henry the VIII's dissolution of the monasteries 200 years after it had been written. It was first published in 1670, but passed unnoticed, then was discovered again and reprinted in 1843, again in 1877 and then again in 1901 and since then, it has not been out of print.

As I read her wonderful insights about the Motherhood of God, how everything is about Love, how God has no wrath, how everything is good, and how all will be well, it all felt so familiar to my understanding of God, through the revelations Mary Baker Eddy also had, on what was expected to be her death bed and also as her understanding grew.

I will continue below with some Julian quotes, but my computer needs to be re-started!

A few excerpts from my favourite translator of Julian's words (though it was written in 14th C English, it's really hard to understand it today.) In Search of Julian of Norwich by Sheila Upjohn

" I saw that God rejoices that he is our father and God rejoices that he is our mother and God rejoices that he is our true husband and our soul his beloved wife."

".....I saw that he is to us everything which is good and comforting for our help. He is our clothing, who wraps and enfolds us for love, embraces us and shelters us, surrounds us for his love, which is so tender that he may never desert us. And so in this sight I saw that he is everything which is good, as I understand.

And in this he showed me something small, no bigger than a hazelnut, lying in the palm of my hand, as it seemed to me, and it was round as a ball. I looked at it with the eye of my understanding and thought: What can this be? I was amazed that it would suddenly have fallen in to nothing. And I was answered in my understanding: It lasts and always will, because God loves it: and thus everything has being through the love of God."

Love and peace,

Judy

Hi... A member on here user name Jeannie, I think posted a message to me on the message boards. I was notified via email. I haven't been able to log on for some time. Not sure if Jeannie is on this Thread. Hope I hear and will pop in here to check.

tworobins 🙂

Hello Two Robins,

How lovely to see you here again! 🙂

Jeannie might not read these pages and I just noticed her on a General Forum about how humming is good for you. To send her a message, click on her name and chose Start Conversation (or something like that!)

Love and peace,

Judy