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"To know another language is to have a second soul" - Charlemagne, King of the Franks (742 - 814)

I'm thinking a lot about this at the moment. I'd be interested in other's opinions. Is another language just more words, or does it change us at the soul level?

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"To know another language is to have a second soul" - Charlemagne, King of the Franks (742 - 814)

I'm thinking a lot about this at the moment. I'd be interested in other's opinions. Is another language just more words, or does it change us at the soul level?

Not just words. Language is the very direction and essence of a particular culture. it is the very heart and energetic expression of a culture. The words, expressions are pointers to what lays closest to the heart of a culture. Learning that particular language not just scholarly expression but colloquial reveals to the learner the intricacies and subtleties of the collective, wisdom, sensibility and truths and secrets held within the soul of those people who speak that language.

Language is a direct expression of the heights and depths of introspective thought that a culture has been capable to explore. Also shaped by their reason, approach and understanding of life and how that wisdom translates into their living experience.
Language is a code. Code of unbroken tradition,a record of the entire journey from origins, from cultural primitiveness to present times. More languages you know more you are able to realize the beauty of each of them at different levels.
English and her sublime beauty is enhanced in my experience because of understandinof 3 other languages and vice versa.

Often the deepest feelings that I am familiar with have an expression in indian languages, simply because, that sensibility is purely cultural and may have no parallel. Similar with spiritual sensibility, falling back to Sanskrit and hindi expressions is easiest as there are infinite references to them and greatest of descriptive explanation available.
A Bulgarian friend mused that most of the terms and concepts he came across as a spiritual seeker mostly Sanskrit and some English, have no word in his native language. Very telling statement.

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As learner of welsh language, I have come to understand the mind of welsh folks. Knowing a language is getting to grips with the unique experience of that particular populace.
Earlier I had 'hunches' about welsh people, their character, their habits now as I learn cymraeg, i have found a solid explanation behind those traits, fascinating stuff.
I am about to embark on learning Sanskrit too, My love of languages has come after a brief sleep.

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Dw i'n dysgu Cymraeg, hefyd. Mae'n anodd, ond yn ddiddorol iawn a boddhaol.

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Lately I've been wondering how to create a "spiritual" language. As far as I can tell all the languages in use today are based on materialism.
The more that I think of spirit or try to develop a mental understanding of life the more I hit a brick wall, because all the spiritual concepts are described using materialistic language and it doesn't seem to fit.

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My first language is German from a funny little village..second English. Soul level? What a thought...my spiritual language surely does. My forgiveness language is just starting..thank you.

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Lately I've been wondering how to create a "spiritual" language. As far as I can tell all the languages in use today are based on materialism.
The more that I think of spirit or try to develop a mental understanding of life the more I hit a brick wall, because all the spiritual concepts are described using materialistic language and it doesn't seem to fit.

...and where does spirituality flower? Right in the midst of this world....without material, what is the significance of 'spiritual'?
Both are yin and yang....both are necessary evils.
If you only look at one, ignoring the other, you stay divided. Embrace both, both liberate you...you find there is no difference between the two. Not two, not two , not two.
Humans are what they have always been....people are no more materialistic/spiritual today. Today we just know a lot of spiritual sounding jargon.

As for language...what language can convey utter silence? What words can say the unsayable?

Come to think of it, Sanskrit does a pretty good job....it has accomplished the closest brush to say the unsayable....tries thousands of ways/expressions....if you know you get what it says.

It is not language, it is the experience of silence that creates the language.
So maybe language is not the key....the key is Self. When you know thyself, the expression comes too mysteriously...never the other way round

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Dw i'n dysgu Cymraeg, hefyd. Mae'n anodd, ond yn ddiddorol iawn a boddhaol.

Da iawn!
Dwi'n ddim yn gellu siarad llawr ar hen o Byrd, dim ond typyn bach. Dwi'n Hoffi siarad cymraeg. Dysgu yn araf

I am at the love-sage with this language. Though a long way to go for me, I am thoroughly enjoying exploring and learning it.

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Lately I've been wondering how to create a "spiritual" language. As far as I can tell all the languages in use today are based on materialism.
The more that I think of spirit or try to develop a mental understanding of life the more I hit a brick wall, because all the spiritual concepts are described using materialistic language and it doesn't seem to fit.

What would a 'spiritual language' include? Or leave out?

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What would a 'spiritual language' include? Or leave out?

As an example. When I think of a number I don't necessarily think of it in a physical way I think of it as the perfect idea or thought. If I want to make use of it materially then I have to write it down. I effectively convert it from a thought to its material state.
Effectively the number as an idea has become an on going part of me. I don't have this same relationship with say healing. I should have because the same "spiritual" law of numbers is the same "spiritual" law of all creation including us.
Most people that we talk to who are multi lingual when asked do they think in their parent language when conversing in their non parent language say no they think directly in the non parent language.
Yet we try to understand or describe "spirituality" using materialistic concepts, and then wonder why we make such slow progress.
One reference that I "fall back" on is that Jesus never saw the body as material or substance, only the idea behind it, and by correcting any false idea he could replace the body's ill health with harmony.
He knew spiritual law, and thought directly in it.
If we all could "talk" Jesus language then there really would be heaven on earth.

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...and where does spirituality flower? Right in the midst of this world....without material, what is the significance of 'spiritual'?
Both are yin and yang....both are necessary evils.
If you only look at one, ignoring the other, you stay divided. Embrace both, both liberate you...you find there is no difference between the two. Not two, not two , not two.
Humans are what they have always been....people are no more materialistic/spiritual today. Today we just know a lot of spiritual sounding jargon.

As for language...what language can convey utter silence? What words can say the unsayable?

Come to think of it, Sanskrit does a pretty good job....it has accomplished the closest brush to say the unsayable....tries thousands of ways/expressions....if you know you get what it says.

It is not language, it is the experience of silence that creates the language.
So maybe language is not the key....the key is Self. When you know thyself, the expression comes too mysteriously...never the other way round

Great thoughts to ponder..thank you.

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As an example. When I think of a number I don't necessarily think of it in a physical way I think of it as the perfect idea or thought. If I want to make use of it materially then I have to write it down. I effectively convert it from a thought to its material state.
Effectively the number as an idea has become an on going part of me. I don't have this same relationship with say healing. I should have because the same "spiritual" law of numbers is the same "spiritual" law of all creation including us.
Most people that we talk to who are multi lingual when asked do they think in their parent language when conversing in their non parent language say no they think directly in the non parent language.
Yet we try to understand or describe "spirituality" using materialistic concepts, and then wonder why we make such slow progress.
One reference that I "fall back" on is that Jesus never saw the body as material or substance, only the idea behind it, and by correcting any false idea he could replace the body's ill health with harmony.
He knew spiritual law, and thought directly in it.
If we all could "talk" Jesus language then there really would be heaven on earth.

Consider my spiritual language growing internally to view my self as a material being that needs to see the openess beyond what I was taught or to believe I was taught. Keeps me growing to new concepts and questions.

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I consider myself to be part of the land, trying to speak in the language of the land spirits.
Easier in the doing than in the explaining of it.

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Great thoughts to ponder..thank you.

You are welcome

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I consider myself to be part of the land, trying to speak in the language of the land spirits.
Easier in the doing than in the explaining of it.

Exactly.

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You are welcome

Ditto.

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