Does anyone have any thoughts on what is body resonance and its use in therapy.
Not too sure if I'm on the right wavelength with this..... Crystals, Homeopathic remedies etc are used to cause the body to repair itself. I would expect each organ, muscle, bone etc to have its own resonance. If the crystal or medication can stimulate at that frequency a return to health can be expected.
It is up to the practitioner to be skillful in identifying the source of injury,
and finding the best matching medication.
How this works in principle I do not know but I believe the body's basic design puts it very much in sympathy with resonances.
Resonance is possible where things show wavelike patterns of movement. All resonance is is the capacity for certain frequencies of energy to create a higher amplitude for the wavelike pattern.
A good example of this is a swing. If you push the swing with the right frequency of pushes, you can make the swing go higher, but if you push the swing in the wrong frequency of pushes you may end up stopping the swing rather than making it swing more.
So, presumably, if you are going to use the phenomenon of resonance in healing you need to find the following:
- a phenomenon in the body that can behave in a wavelike way
- and that by increasing the amplitude of the wavelike pattern you can restore health
- and a way that you can influence the wave like pattern to increase the amplitude of the wavelike pattern
So is resonance in healing just a metaphor for something we can't empirically* identify? Like energy? Or spirit?
*I'm using this word "empirically" to refer to scientific procedures where it is possible to identify and measure a phenomenon in a consistent way.
I'm not suggesting that all words we use must comply with this kind of empirical standards but what I am suggesting is that it can be misleading to use words with a quasi-empirical meaning when the phenomena that are being described cannot be identified and measured empirically. The most important reason for being careful about this distinction is that those who have a more empirically based view of things are quite likely to dismiss those who use quasi-empirical terms in the guise of metaphore.
Norbu
A good example of this is a swing. If you push the swing with the right frequency of pushes, you can make the swing go higher, but if you push the swing in the wrong frequency of pushes you may end up stopping the swing rather than making it swing more.
Hi Norbu,
I agree we should be careful not to mix mataphors with "quasi-empirical terms".
But the pedant in me just wanted to pick up on the swing thing. The wrong frequency of pushes woulds actually change the frequency of the rate of swing, but the incorrect phase of pushes would potential stop the swing. I think it's important that when people are discussing Resonance that frequency is only one parameter and apart from amplitude and power, the other essential parameters are phase and harmonics.
Okay, I'll switch the pedant off now and let the debate return :eek:.
Myarka.
PS. Body resonance has been researched as part of electronic warfare.
Phase and frequency of pushes.
Hi Myarka,
Thought you'd feel the same way about language with this. But just to do the pedant (or is it pendant!!) thing...
The wrong frequency of pushes woulds actually change the frequency of the rate of swing, but the incorrect phase of pushes would potential stop the swing.
A swing is a pendulum and the frequency or period of oscillation is determined by the length of the string. The period of oscillation is independent of the weight of the bob (or person sitting on the swing if their centre of gravity does not change the effective length of the pendulum swing/swing chain) and independent of the amplitude of the swing.
Incorrect period of pushes don't generate amplitude in the swing. I think they would just cancel out and the swing would slow down by means of friction and air resistance until it stops. Incorrect period of pushes would not start the swing to move once it had stopped.
Pushes with a correct period but out of phase with the swing that is in motion would slow the swing down until it stopped. If these pushes continued, the swing would start to swing again in phase with the new phase of pushes.;)
Norbu
A swing is a pendulum and the frequency or period of oscillation is determined by the length of the string. The period of oscillation is independent of the weight of the bob (or person sitting on the swing if their centre of gravity does not change the effective length of the pendulum swing/swing chain) and independent of the amplitude of the swing.
Incorrect period of pushes don't generate amplitude in the swing. I think they would just cancel out and the swing would slow down by means of friction and air resistance until it stops. Incorrect period of pushes would not start the swing to move once it had stopped.
Hi Norbu,
This is fun, and we're almost there ;).
The frequency of the swing is not just determined by the length of the string, but the power also, i.e. the harder the push, the higher the frequency. However, if the swing were allowed to swing at it's natural frequency, then you are right then the parameters are mass and length of string.
If a swing had a set frequency, then it was pushed at a different frequency the resultant frequency would be the product of the mix of frequencies, i.e. similar to a hetrodyne used in radio mixing.
Also in the free swing scenario it's not just the air and mechanical friction that would determine the total swinging time, it would also be determined by the child's attention span :p.
Myarka.
I use crystals, flower remedies and sound and reiki when I heal, so I do believe that the body resonates. We have vibrations that can be balanced by healing. Some of us are drawn to the mineral kingdom, plant kingdom, or sound and I think this all depends on our vibration and what we draw to us. I won't go into the seven rays as we all have predominant rays.
My strongest resonance is with the plant kingdom, in all of their healing forms whether its sitting in the garden, doing some aromatherapy with essences or using flower remedies.
I am drawn to radionics or psionics which is a system of healing which works on the principle of resonance and uses a 'witness' as a focal point for the healer to tune into. I've only tried this out at a MBS fair and the results seemed pretty accurate to me.
I think it would help if you gave us some idea of your view of body resonance and its use in therapy.
Love Binah
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Saw an interesting demonstration of resonance on TV a while back. A chap was touring the far East and interviewing martial arts exponents. An expert from Japan spoke about the shout that proceeds an action. The specific martial art that he practiced, used the shout to disable an opponent. He demonstrated this. His attacker just collapsed, when shouted at. The explanation given was that the shout was at the same or multi frequency as water. As the human body is largely composed of water the effect was to disrupt the muscular state of the opponent's body causing him to collapse. It took about 3 minutes for the opponent to recover. 😮
period of attention span
The frequency of the swing is not just determined by the length of the string, but the power also, i.e. the harder the push, the higher the frequency.
Yes, I guess when there is a force applied in phase the velocity increases over the arc that the force is applied...
However, if the swing were allowed to swing at it's natural frequency, then you are right then the parameters are mass and length of string.
It's "natural" frequency is the same irrespective of the distance of the arc travelled and the terminal velocity of the bob i.e. in a state of equilibrium there is no change in period.
I don't know about a child's attention span, I'm beginning to worry about mine!:eek:
Norbu
Does anyone have any thoughts on what is body resonance and its use in therapy.
I believe resonance as a healing modality has yet to be fully explored. As all atoms vibrate, then so does everything, even though we may be unaware of it. Hence, people can feel the energies in crystals and can dowse for water, etc.
MRI scans are an example of using resonance as a diagnostic tool.
There are also bio-resonance machines which pick up irregularities in various parts of the body and will usually suggest foods or supplements that may help restore the body's balance, others can be programmed to counter the disruptive energies to 'knock them out', particularly against unfriendly bacteria - see scommstech's interesting post below - though more permanently. These machines are expensive though. I have tried them and found them very helpful.
Conventional medicine is very sceptical - probably because they don't fit their modalities and they haven't been adequately 'scientifically tested' in the required 'double-blind, placebo-controlled' methods on thousands of people, just as they are trying to say that using vitamin, mineral and herbal supplements now need to be tested this way. Unfortunately very little testing is that good, and ofen the use of medication can disrupt the body's sensitive harmonic balance by altering the chemical balance. And even so called scientific tests on new drugs can be vastly flawed - see Merck's Vioxx catastrophe.
We have of course homeopathic remedies and meridian energy treatments which are using this field very usefully.
Resonance healing is a vast almost unexplored field that needs intense investigation in order to create a whole new healing modality to reduce our reliance on pharmaceuticals and surgical intervention. The medical industry will probably not be interested however.
Caroline
I'm going to toss a couple thinggs into this discussion, check out this link to resonance and string theory.
Water, interesting thing. A person in Japan would take angry written notes and happy written notes and freeze the water and claim you could see a reoccuring pattern to both. We are largely water so is this inate force within us, could it be where the elusive Chi has been all along? In TCM, chi is said to follow the blood and blood contains alot of water.
Scommstech, I have seen the same programme! I think it was 'mind, body and kick-ass moves' on Sky, it's a pretty good programme on exploring different practices and martial arts (in a touristy 'wow look at how cool this is!' kind of way, but very watchable and I do find I learn from it too!).
I just wanted to add, you may want to look at the link that Reiki Pixie posted in his thread on 'bashing the bishop' in the Reiki forum (NOT what it sounds like!)... it links to an interesting article about Reiki and some studies on EMF (electromagnetic fields)in the body and the effect of reiki on this, thought it might be related to this resonance discussion?
The studies are pretty interesting anyway, showing how EMF has been measured from the body, different organs resonate in their own frequency ranges but go out of these ranges when there is disease... experiments that were done on groups of rats being given reiki then exposed to stress (white noise), rats who had received reiki had better homeostasis in their heart functions than the ones who did not.... interesting stuff! (I don't always understand the hard science, but I find it really interesting!).
I looked up the video mentioned where someone shouts and disrupts the water resonance in one's body and have attached it below, if its real it should be researched further. It may relate to the messages frozen in water mentioned earlier, also I can't help but think of the movie Dune and the Ben Jesuits(sp?) use of the voice.