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Ah the joys of puppyhood! Right now it's probably annoying, but just remember she is only 16 weeks young. It won't take long for her to realise that the garden is the place to go. It's natural for them, so sooner or later it will kick in. It sounds like you are doing everything right. It just takes time.

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Thankyou cavemen, just the reassurance i needed!
It's not that it's annoying at all, more that we were worried that we might not be doing the right thing for Luci.
Our breeder was fab but they can worry you somewhat!
Thanks again, we will happily be patient! xx

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Hi Serendipity and pup

Its quite normal, don't worry, some pups and dogs will never get to 'go' when outsde basically because dogs see poo and wee as marking and reasserting their territorial boundaries, they let other dogs know they are around and when they are in season etc. Your pup will learn, as long as she is the only dog in the house that is. Otherwise some multi dog households find that only the 'top dog' is allowed to mark when out on a walk opr in certain areas of the garden etc.

We have a wonderful husky and she only 'does' at home and buries everything, but thats common trait amongst snow dogs! She knows she isn't top dog and so doesnt mark when out.

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Hello serendipity

I love Affies! Never owned one - I used to breed and show Border Terriers and still have one elderly lady - but I did a bit of online "homework" and see that Affies are descended from terriers, so one can expect a degree of stubbornness. Yeah, right 😀

This nappy pad you refer to ... is it a posh version of a wad of newspaper?

I was thankful to find an old thread on house training, since I was sure I'd posted before about how I do this, and am so glad I don't have to type it all again! 😀 Have a look here:

[link= http://www.healthypages.net/forum/tm.asp?m=80457&mpage=1&key=house%2Ctraining&#80457 ]http://www.healthypages.net/forum/tm.asp?m=80457&mpage=1&key=house%2Ctraining&#80457[/link]

Posts #7 and 9. You might like to consider giving a try to teaching Luci-Fur to do it on command as I outlined. It's so useful. I'd first of all get her to associate the command with the action (ie where she's doing it now) and then try giving the command outside.

Hope this helps, and let us know how you get on.

Holistic

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Hi Serendipity

My pup will be one year old on Tuesday and I must say I never thought she would ever 'go' outside! I was advised to damp a cotton ball withher urine and transfer the smell to where Iwanted her to go - so off I went into the garden - not too far at first - I dabbed the cotton wool on the chosen area - and within a couple of days - she did it on the spot! I was amazed! Gradually she became stronger so I simply removed the training pads - she had a few accidents but she loved the praise and attention when she performed outside.

Hope that helps!
Snow

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thank you so much guys! feel much better, and loads of helpful tips too!
She did actually go once while we were walking the other day - we were so pleased!!!
appears to have been a one off for the minute thiugh, bless her!
Thankyou Holistic, affies are fab! we plan to breed luci - the whole world should be populated with the gorgeous little devils!! xxxx

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Hi Serendipity

Just a thought regarding breeding your puppy - we would love to breed ours too but whenever the Dogs Trust let a dog go to be rehomed they neuture them. This is because there are so many homeless dogs in the world that they are trying to keep the population down. This is because people buy new puppies all the time and then reject them when they get bigger. This leaves thousands of homeless dogs. The Dogs Trust are one of the only shelters that do not put healthy dogs down. Some of the others do if the dogs have not been rehomed after a certain period.

Basically what I'm saying is that there are enough dogs homeless without breeding more!

I would suggest if anyone is looking for a new dog to go to an animal shelter and give a homless dog a new life, rather than creating demand for breeding.

Hope you don't take this the wrong way - I'm sure your pup is wonderful!

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i'll try again - computer has a mind of it's own!!
Point taken caveman, with no offence! xxx

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I don't want to get on my [sm=soapbox.gif]or make out I'm some kind of holier than thou , but in answer to caveman's:

I would suggest if anyone is looking for a new dog to go to an animal shelter and give a homless dog a new life, rather than creating demand for breeding.

This is one of a number of options about which I'm keeping an open mind for the time when my dear Roly has to go. She's 15½ and the last of a line I bred from my original Border Terrier, bought as a pet. I bred from her initiallyin order to retain a puppy as a companion for her .... who turned out to be a champion! I have not bred a litter for a number of years now, but still keep in touch when I can and visit some of the nearer championship shows. I also packed in judging as well, but that's another story!

..... there are so many homeless dogs in the world that they are trying to keep the population down. This is because people buy new puppies all the time and then reject them when they get bigger.

I totally agree, and abhor the overbreeding of pedigree dogs just for the pet market, with adverts appearing in the kind of weekly papersbestsuited to second hand cars.Caring and responsible breeders however, with only the welfare and improvement of their breed at heart, take the greatest care in the placement of their puppies and will always take one back if the new owners encounter problems or a change in their circumstances. Stud dog owners are every bit as responsible, IMO, as the owners of bitches.

General comments: My advice to anyone considering breeding would be to think about it very carefully, stay in close contact with the breeder, seek advice, possibly join a breed club who will have a code of conduct. All of this after weighing up all the pros and cons, of course.

Another thing that someone looking for a dog can do is to make enquiries among breeders for an adult to which they can offer a home. These dogs are not generally advertised, but breeders will wait until a suitable home comes along. I have on several occasions re-homed slightly older ones, hugely successfully - and the new home got a loving companion, house-reared andcar and lead trained. 🙂

There! - I hope that wasn't too long or "preachy" 😀

Holistic

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Another vote for rescuing rather than breeding. 🙂

In order to breed you have to do a lot of research about bloodlines and goodness knows what else so that you're hopefully producing sound well-adjusted pups who hopefully will get homes for life. If not, it's your responsibility to look after them yourself.

There are thousands of dogs of all breeds and also mongrels in rescue centres up and down the country, desperately needing out of the kennels they are stuck in. The lucky ones eventually get homes, the not so lucky ones are killed simply due to lack of kennel space, available homes etc.....

I now have my second rescued Weimaraner, and much as there is a part of me would, like everyone else, love a puppy, I realise that I have a job to do caring for some of the rejects and restoring their faith in humans as far as I can. It's actually immensely rewarding to see a terrified bag of bones gradually change into a healthy reasonably trusting dog over time. It would break your heart to see the state some of them are in because of members of our race.

Enjoy your puppy, enjoy her life, care for her for life, andalso have a go at rescuing.

Affenpinscher Rescue.
Mrs L McGill, Saxondale Kennels, Radcliffe on Trent, Notts ...
Mrs A J Teasdale Weybridge, Surrey
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I agree with you, Muriel, and it was for just this reason that I started the thread on rescue for dogs that's pinned to the top of this forum, and more recently the one for cats. Thanks for posting the link, and I'll add that to the dog rescue thread, if I may.

However, breeding of pedigree dogs will continue, and only the worst cases of neglect will be prosecuted. I was not necessarily advocating breeding, but since one cannot control what others do if it's within the law, just wanted to post what I hoped would be some sensible advice for those who do choose to breed.

I also have experience of helping the welfare people in my breed, though mainly by being part of a well planned network of car driversable to transport an extra one to and from shows. I had a number of overnight "visitors" of this kind - mainly grossly fat and totally unruly young males.

The other side of that coin is the bag of bones my ex once brought home - technically stolen from the farm where he found him, which created some difficulties with getting an official rescue organisation to get involved (which shall be nameless ;)) This was a Border Collie - yes, collie, not terrier -who weighed 11 lbs and was too weak to stand. He was about 9 months, I guessed - nearly adult size anyway.

After three days of arguing, the said organisation did come and collect him, by which time he was standing up and wagging his tail, and there was a prosecution.

I didn't keep him because we already had a male Jack Russell and two bitches, and more importantly, I was out at work full time and unable to give him the full time nursing care he needed.

Laura.

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Of course you may add that link in Laura 🙂

I do of course realise that breeding of Pedigree dogs will continue, I just wish it would do so at a slower rate to slow down the numbers going into rescues.

I did realise you weren't neccessarily advocating breeding and rather trying to give a little advice and pointers:-) as was I.

So many people breed their dogs 'just to have one puppy' without realising what should be involved before doing so in order to get good healthy pups, and I think they sometimes forget just how many puppies can be in a litter.

Sadly there are far too many dogs in the position your collie was in, with no-one wanting to stick up for them, all too often even the organisations who are supposed to care, don't. I hope he finally got a good caring home.

We can all only do so much, but hopefully every little helps.

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Thanks, Muriel. Another myth to be exploded ... that you can make a lot of money breeding and selling puppies. Yeah, right! You're just as likely to end up out of pocket due to a huge vet's bill if things go wrong [&o]

I don't want to inflame emotions - mine or anyone else's - by going off on one about "some" rescue organisations, nor recount other tales of stupidity and neglect, and anyway we've gone somewhat off topic now, so apologies to serendipity for hijacking her thread but it was hopefully in a good cause.

Thankfully the collie I wrote about earlier did find a good home. I found this out by making a number of phone calls to find out what had become of him. He was such a sweet and gentle dog, but had been starved nearly to death because his farmer owner had gone bankrupt and could barely afford to feed his children. He could, of course, have rung said organisation to ask for help, but didn't. Pride? Ignorance? Who knows.

Laura.

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No worries! xxx

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hey guys!
thought you might be interested to hear that following the discussion on this thread (the one after the one i started with!!) we have decided to 'rescue' an affie!we have a rescue cat already and so we made some enquiries - as fate should have it luci's breeder has a little one year old affie called Toto in need of a new home so hes moving in shortly!
thank you for the inspiration xxxx
ps lucis fairly well cracked the toileting too!!

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Great news, serendipity, thanks for letting us know. I'm sure Toto will soon settle into your little family.

Glad to seeLuci's toilet training is making progress, too. 🙂

Laura.