Respect

Hi Scommstech,

Generally, most people do show respect for others when discussing things, and whilst people may not agree with each other, it is often done in a friendly manner and sometimes ending with people agreeing to disagree.

If a discussion has gone too far off-track or there has been too much venom (for want of a better word), then the moderators may choose to close that discussion. Of course that doesn't mean that the topic itself wasn't of interest to people wanting to discuss it, and you (or anyone else) are more than welcome to start another discussion relating to the same thing, from fresh.

All Love and Reiki Hugs

Why is that some so called spiritual people can't communicate in a respectful manner.

People are people no matter if they are spiritual, holistic or non spiritual, holistic
We are talking about humans being different to each other and react differently
We also have a problem with perception, I have been and can be misunderstood
And that is down to me saying things that I think are funny and others do not
Internet conversations can be difficult as we are trying to type our thoughts
And we can and are misunderstood on many different levels

I also find that if a posted thread is going a way that I am uncomfortable with
I just back off from that thread, some others just get stuck in and go for it
Some people feel slighted if they cannot get their point across to others

I am quite happy for anyone to have their say and if they wish.........win any conversation

I've now moved this thread over to the Comments and Suggestions forum as the "registration problems" forum you originally posted in is a bit of a "special" forum and automatically moderates all posts made there so every post made needs approval, even from regular members. :rolleyes:

Should be a little more free to comment over in this forum 😉

All Love and Reiki Hugs

Scommstech - I share your dismay that (purportedly) spiritual people succumb to being disrespectful. Unfortunately this just portrays them as being more ego focused than spiritual, in my view. Easy to talk the talk, walking the talk however is what counts!

I tend to agree with Hermit - people are people, all coming from different angles, it's kind of inevitable that there will be problems at times. And of course, on an internet forum you are missing half of the conversation, expressions, body language...

Sometimes I've found this forum to be quite aggressive and I tend to stay away when that happens.

I tend to agree with Hermit - people are people, all coming from different angles, it's kind of inevitable that there will be problems at times. And of course, on an internet forum you are missing half of the conversation, expressions, body language...

Sometimes I've found this forum to be quite aggressive and I tend to stay away when that happens.

The point made in scommstech's OP is that it was (supposedly) spiritual people who were disrespectful here, i.e. those with higher values/morals.

The point made in scommstech's OP is that it was (supposedly) spiritual people who were disrespectful here, i.e. those with higher values/morals.

Yes, I understand that but supposedly spiritual people are still people, do they really have higher values/morals?

The point made in scommstech's OP is that it was (supposedly) spiritual people who were disrespectful here, i.e. those with higher values/morals.

Where is the evidence that spiritual people (supposed or not) have higher values or morals?

Where is the evidence that spiritual people (supposed or not) have higher values or morals?

Evidence? Isn't it a given that generally speaking being spiritual makes one more caring?
I am somewhat amazed you have to even ask this....perhaps you don't know many spiritual people?

I realise that, if someone says they are spiritual that may or may not reflect on their behaviour, i.e. they may just give this lip service (talk the talk). Hence my first post on this (#5)

I guess it could depend on what is meant by "spiritual". There are plenty of people out there who are labelled as spiritual (just look at some spiritual leaders like the Pope for example), yet would you say that all those people are morally perfect and caring? the sort of people who are not going to cause anyone any upset?

Even "spiritual" people will differ. 😉

All Love and Reiki Hugs

Evidence? Isn't it a given that generally speaking being spiritual makes one more caring?
I am somewhat amazed you have to even ask this....perhaps you don't know many spiritual people?

I know many spiritual people. I also know many atheists who are deeply moral.

I know many spiritual people. I also know many atheists who are deeply moral.

[COLOR="Green"]I'm sure you do. The OP was about spiritual people though and thus I addressed the issue accordingly.

I guess it could depend on what is meant by "spiritual". There are plenty of people out there who are labelled as spiritual (just look at some spiritual leaders like the Pope for example), yet would you say that all those people are morally perfect and caring? the sort of people who are not going to cause anyone any upset?
Even "spiritual" people will differ. 😉

All Love and Reiki Hugs

[COLOR="Green"]Somehow you have made the unrealistic (i.e. not mentioned by myself) jump from more higher morals to perfect morals....!? Not what I claimed. You don't have to be morally perfect to care either, do you? This is not to say spiritual people are saints but you are LESS likely to encounter negative, hurtful actions from someone who is authentically on this path.

Of course spiritual people differ but, generally speaking, you can discern most of them by their level of awareness and responsibility for their actions - which entails respect.

Your post:

The point made in scommstech's OP is that it was (supposedly) spiritual people who were disrespectful here, i.e. those with higher values/morals.

opened up from the original question to assumptions that
· Spiritual people are more moral than other people
· (therefore) people who are not moral (or at least what you might consider ‘moral’) are not spiritual, even if they think they are.

Since I disagreed with this (as did Hermit and Mouse) I simply said so (as did they).

I accept that you have quite a rigid idea of what is ‘on topic’ or ‘off topic’, but these boundaries have to be flexible in a forum that is essentially here for discussion. As far as I can see, the moderators do a pretty good of keeping us on track when necessary.

[COLOR="Green"]Crowan - I see you choose to overlook where I agreed with you i.e. that atheists can have deep morals too. It seems you want to portray me in an inflexible way - your choice I guess.

I'd just like to add something that is around this topic, related to the idea of spiritual people and how they might be expected to behave. Bear with me...

A couple of years ago I went to a workshop on the subject of spirit guides in London. I hadn't been to the venue before, got lost and managed to fall, spraining my ankle very badly. I decided to go to the workshop anyway as in too much pain to get home. The teacher for the course gave me some ice etc. and I apologised for causing any hassle. The room was up a flight of stairs. The class had tea breaks, and a lunch break. Despite the fact that I obviously couldn't get down the stairs not a single person offered to get me a tea or a water. At lunchtime I had to ask someone to get me some food. At the end of the day everyone disappeared. No one asked if I was OK or needed any help getting anywhere. In fact, someone cornered me and started telling me all about their problems. Some were self-professed 'spiritual' people.

I'd just like to add something that is around this topic, related to the idea of spiritual people and how they might be expected to behave. Bear with me...

A couple of years ago I went to a workshop on the subject of spirit guides in London. I hadn't been to the venue before, got lost and managed to fall, spraining my ankle very badly. I decided to go to the workshop anyway as in too much pain to get home. The teacher for the course gave me some ice etc. and I apologised for causing any hassle. The room was up a flight of stairs. The class had tea breaks, and a lunch break. Despite the fact that I obviously couldn't get down the stairs not a single person offered to get me a tea or a water. At lunchtime I had to ask someone to get me some food. At the end of the day everyone disappeared. No one asked if I was OK or needed any help getting anywhere. In fact, someone cornered me and started telling me all about their problems. Some were self-professed 'spiritual' people.

[COLOR="Green"]Perhaps they were not aware of what you could/couldn't do or did you fully explain this? (Since you got into the room, that was up a flight of stairs, could it be that they thought you could descend the stairs too?)

Otherwise this reflects the point I made in my first post here. There can be a difference between calling yourself spiritual and actually being spiritual. Words are easy - actions portray who we truly are. I must say I have been frequently disappointed by those who purport to be spiritual. That said, the ones that truly are prove to be such an inspiration and indeed are guiding lights. 🙂

Crowan - I see you choose to overlook where I agreed with you i.e. that atheists can have deep morals too. It seems you want to portray me in an inflexible way - your choice I guess.

Where did you say this? If you meant:

I'm sure you do.

, then that – together with -

I am somewhat amazed you have to even ask this....perhaps you don't know many spiritual people?

did not give that impression. So thank you for explaining what you meant.

(Yes, I guess ‘rigid’ and ‘inflexible’ are interchangeable. I only said it about one aspect of your writing.)

Earlier, you said:

Isn't it a given that generally speaking being spiritual makes one more caring?

What leads you to this conclusion?

Somehow you have made the unrealistic (i.e. not mentioned by myself) jump from more higher morals to perfect morals....!?

Not an unrealistic jump really, but if you want me to take your words literally then we can just as easily say that people with spiritually high morals are all different. The point is still the same.

You don't have to be morally perfect to care either, do you? This is not to say spiritual people are saints but you are LESS likely to encounter negative, hurtful actions from someone who is authentically on this path.

But that's my point. You're assuming that all spiritual people should fit into the same "less hurtful" box... but as they're all different, with different beliefs and backgrounds (yet all still labelled as "spiritual") then there will be differences of opinion and conflicts arise where such duality exists.

Of course spiritual people differ but, generally speaking, you can discern most of them by their level of awareness and responsibility for their actions - which entails respect.

Again, it depends what you mean by "spiritual". There are terrorist organisations who say they are following their "spiritual leader" and acting upon his/her wishes which come from God (whichever God they perceive). Is that person spiritual or not? You would probably say not, because of their lack of care for some over others, yet they would perhaps tar spiritual leaders from 'our side of the fence' (so to speak) as having a lack of morals and care etc.

Wherever there is a perception of duality there is conflict.

Spiritual or non spiritual, I would like to expect everyone to discuss things on the forum in a friendly non-aggressive manner. It's not a case of singling out the spiritual people or the non spiritual people...

All Love and Reiki Hugs

Wherever there is a perception of duality there is conflict.

Traditional shamanism lacks duality, and seeks negotiation rather than conflict (which is not to say, of course, that other belief systems don't). Thank you for putting the reasons behind this so succinctly.:)

Spiritual or non spiritual, I would like to expect everyone to discuss things on the forum in a friendly non-aggressive manner. It's not a case of singling out the spiritual people or the non spiritual people...

All Love and Reiki Hugs

[COLOR="Green"]I find this comment somewhat puzzling. Are you implying that I have been aggressive in manner on this thread? If so, please indicate where. (I have clarified a point in a post; the OP is clearly about spiritual people and this is what I addressed. Is clarification aggressive to you?)

If not, please clarify this since it is misleading and somewhat offensive.

I find this comment somewhat puzzling. Are you implying that I have been aggressive in manner on this thread? If so, please indicate where. (I have clarified a point in a post; the OP is clearly about spiritual people and this is what I addressed. Is clarification aggressive to you?)

If not, please clarify this since it is misleading and somewhat offensive.

No it was nothing personal about you, it was about the topic of the thread, about people showing respect and being friendly in discussions... at least I thought that's what we were talking about. Sorry if you misread it to mean something offensive to yourself... it certainly wasn't intended in that way. :hug:

All Love and Reiki Hugs

Hi All

I was a bit surprised at the number of responses to this post. The post was really directed at the very few who seem to profess to be spiritually orientated, but who in my opinion are a bit lax in expressing the spiritual attributes of love and harmony.

I also know that there are many atheist who seem to express excellent spiritual qualities.

This particular post was introduced because a very interesting topic had to be shut down, solely due to offensive correspondence.

[COLOR="Green"]Yes scommstech - I, at least, understood you perfectly! 🙂

Yes scommstech - I, at least, understood you perfectly! 🙂

So did we. We just wanted to discuss it a bit more. Certain topics will arouse interest and lead to more, and possibly wider ranging, discussion than others. That's part of the fun of a forum like this.:)

So did we. We just wanted to discuss it a bit more. Certain topics will arouse interest and lead to more, and possibly wider ranging, discussion than others. That's part of the fun of a forum like this.:)

[COLOR="Green"]I like to have fun too - especially where there's a jokey banter exchange! I guess what I picked up (more than others) from the OP was the intention to pursue this specific issue (as noted in scommstech recent post above #24).

I understand that topics can lead to a wider discussion and I love a good, exploratory debate. However, inherent in this is the tendency to veer off topic, i.e. it's not for nothing that we have the "off topic" emoticon is it? (So far I haven't used it).

Ironically, I see that our posts on this are off topic! :023:

[COLOR="Green"]Yes scommstech - I, at least, understood you perfectly! 🙂

Isn't it worth questioning what is meant by certain terms when having a discussion? What does spiritual mean exactly? I think it is a slippery term, is it just a synonym for sensitive and caring? Or does it mean people who subscribe to certain beliefs? Does everyone here mean the same by it?

The original post was questioning why supposedly spiritual people (on this forum) would be so disrespectful in their communications. To answer that isn't it interesting to try and figure out what people mean by the term?

Hi All

I was a bit surprised at the number of responses to this post. The post was really directed at the very few who seem to profess to be spiritually orientated, but who in my opinion are a bit lax in expressing the spiritual attributes of love and harmony.

I also know that there are many atheist who seem to express excellent spiritual qualities.

As we've said above, it depends what is meant by "spiritual"... not just our understanding, but yours too. 🙂
In general I can see why people consider religion to be a key part of being spiritual, but the truth is that being spiritual doesn't require a religion, hence why I'm happy to say I'm a spiritual atheist. 😀

This particular post was introduced because a very interesting topic had to be shut down, solely due to offensive correspondence.

If it's the thread that was closed the other day in the Christianity forum, due to offensive language, then I think it's fair to say that the 'offender' in that case was not what you'd probably call a spiritual person (from the evidence on the dozen or so other forums that he's posted the same question on); but was rather here with an agenda to be offensive to those who believe in God.

All Love and Reiki Hugs

If it's the thread that was closed the other day in the Christianity forum, due to offensive language, then I think it's fair to say that the 'offender' in that case was not what you'd probably call a spiritual person (from the evidence on the dozen or so other forums that he's posted the same question on); but was rather here with an agenda to be offensive to those who believe in God.

All Love and Reiki Hugs

Yes I totally agree. (Just found this out today).

I sensed the dubious nature of this person right from the start, i.e. the inflammatory title of that thread rang alarm bells with me.