There is a certain way of thinking about illnesses that I am not in harmony with. You may have come across it with Louis Hayes books e.g. You Can Heal Your Life. Whilst I agree with a lot she says, primarily in the areas of psychosomatic illnesses (where our thoughts/emotions influence the body), I see it's limitations also. For instance, contracting a virus would not come under this umbrella.
I have just had a conversation with a spiritual, influential writer on a spiritual chat forum. Whilst she praised my positive mindset, she took issue with my genetic lung disorder...asking why would I choose this? I was a bit amazed since I don't see it that way. The nuts and bolts of it is that I was born this way since I was conceived when my father had TB. I believe I have it for a reason and am not really in the right mental space to pursue the apparent DNA reprogramming (via words and frequencies). I have seen some vids of doing this on youtube...I may check them out but I am sceptical.
To put this spiritual writer's view in context...she also believes that we are creators and that we can thus achieve full health. I view that we are co-creators i.e. we have the spark of divinity within us but are not the whole package.
Do you view that your illnesses are your choice (i.e. chosen on a sub conscious level)? Where do you stand on this subject. I welcome your views on it.
There seems to be an assumption here that illness is wrong and we should all be experiencing perfect health, unfortunately this is not the way we work.
We all have a right to experience whatever state of health and well being we are currently utilising our creative nature to create an abundance of.
I don't think it's a question of "we all have a right" (peculiar notion) but that an illness indicates that something is out of alignment/balance.
(It reminds me of the saying....death is nature's way of telling you to slow down!) :rolleyes:
I don't think it's a question of "we all have a right" (peculiar notion) but that an illness indicates that something is out of alignment/balance.
(It reminds me of the saying....death is nature's way of telling you to slow down!) :rolleyes:
Why do you think that we have not got a right to experience being ill Amy?
Why do you think that we have not got a right to experience being ill Amy?
I just think it is a peculiar way to look at illness....like a right to be poorly, a right to be ill? Where is that going? A right to be abused? Experiencing illness can indeed have beneficial consequences but this is not the same thing as feeling it is a right to it...that doesn't even enter the picture....peculiar...I can see it now...banners saying Stand Up For The Right To Be Ill! o_O
A right to be anything you want to be? And that could easily include illness. Besides, everyone needs a way out of the life they are in, sooner or later.
A right implies political recognition....something that could be campaigned for, if lacking. I am wondering if Paul means CHOICE? Of course, consciously or subconsciously we may choose to be ill - often as a way of getting out of a difficult situation.
"Right" can certainly include political recognition, but does not have to.
I just think it is a peculiar way to look at illness....like a right to be poorly, a right to be ill? Where is that going? A right to be abused? Experiencing illness can indeed have beneficial consequences but this is not the same thing as feeling it is a right to it...that doesn't even enter the picture....peculiar...I can see it now...banners saying Stand Up For The Right To Be Ill! o_O
We have a right to experience, an experience is not right or wrong, it is nothing more that one aspect of our singular life experience.
One person will judge an aspect of their life experience to be complexity wrong, whist at the same time someone else is enjoying exactly the same experience within their life experience, the experience is always completely neutral right up to the point that someone starts judging it
As Crowan says, we have a free will to experience whatever and illness is one way people use to terminating their life experience.
A right implies political recognition....something that could be campaigned for, if lacking. I am wondering if Paul means CHOICE? Of course, consciously or subconsciously we may choose to be ill - often as a way of getting out of a difficult situation.
No, we do not need political recognition to be our life experience, for we are our life experience, I have always maintained that we have a right to choose and our choices form our life experience, our thoughts are our own, people might try and force us to think and believe this or that, but we have a right to choose what we wish to believe, which is how we set ourselves up to be in experience, everything starts and finishes with a thought.
We have a right to experience, an experience is not right or wrong, it is nothing more that one aspect of our singular life experience.
One person will judge an aspect of their life experience to be complexity wrong, whist at the same time someone else is enjoying exactly the same experience within their life experience, the experience is always completely neutral right up to the point that someone starts judging it
As Crowan says, we have a free will to experience whatever and illness is one way people use to terminating their life experience.
No, we do not need political recognition to be our life experience, for we are our life experience, I have always maintained that we have a right to choose and our choices form our life experience, our thoughts are our own, people might try and force us to think and believe this or that, but we have a right to choose what we wish to believe, which is how we set ourselves up to be in experience, everything starts and finishes with a thought.
Well I am in full agreement with choice and freewill here. A 'right' to me implies that something could be stopping this....a right to be ill....what would be stopping us? If it is our choice whether or not we succumb to illness (as in psychological predispositions) then the word 'right' becomes superfluous.
Well I am in full agreement with choice and freewill here. A 'right' to me implies that something could be stopping this....a right to be ill....what would be stopping us? If it is our choice whether or not we succumb to illness (as in psychological predispositions) then the word 'right' becomes superfluous.
But what about when we exercise our right to create illness so that we can experience it or use that to terminate our life experience, a lot of illnesses can only be created within self, not all illnesses are infectious. 🙂
Well perhaps we should agree to differ here....you seem to be using the word 'right' more in keeping with justice rather than choice. Is choice about rights? Choice is about having options and selecting from this....where do rights come into that picture? Rights implies that something may hamper such action...what would that be in this illness scenario? We exercise choice in creating illness or not...
Well perhaps we should agree to differ here....you seem to be using the word 'right' more in keeping with justice rather than choice. Is choice about rights? Choice is about having options and selecting from this....where do rights come into that picture? Rights implies that something may hamper such action...what would that be in this illness scenario? We exercise choice in creating illness or not...
I am more concerned with what is Amy, rather than what people perceive to be judgmentally right or wrong, to my understanding this is an absolute right.
The reality of this is that we all have a right to choose how we want to be, the way that we interact and perceive the world around us, this right is not known, understood or acknowledged by most people; it is not illness that is hampered by this lack of understanding, for judging self promotes illness, it is good health that is being hampered because people do not know that they have this right to choose how to be.
Ah finally I understand the context of how you are using the word 'right' and, of course, I agree. I am a great proponent of choice and freewill, i.e. not having a victim's mentality. Thanks for (once again) persevering with me.
That is a really good question. I have heard people say that we choose our own life path with its inherent experiences. There is also the belief that a Divine creator/energy chooses our life path or that it is a joint decision between us and our Creator. Who knows? I don't find any of the above satisfactory answers if I am honest...
This idea would still beg the question, "Why?"
Because none of the belief systems are logical when I look deeply at them:
As an energy in spirit form why would I choose to come to Earth to experience human existence? Why would I choose to experience pain in this or any other lifetime? For what purpose would I need to experience pain and suffering?
Why would a loving creator force me to experience human existence? Why would it choose to force me experience pain in this or any other lifetime? For what purpose would I need to experience pain and suffering?
Because none of the belief systems are logical when I look deeply at them:
As an energy in spirit form why would I choose to come to Earth to experience human existence? Why would I choose to experience pain in this or any other lifetime? For what purpose would I need to experience pain and suffering?
Why would a loving creator force me to experience human existence? Why would it choose to force me experience pain in this or any other lifetime? For what purpose would I need to experience pain and suffering?
You assume a 'loving creator' - in which case I agree. However, without the loving creator (in which I do not believe) other options become possible.
Soul evolution is another option....i.e. that we are here to learn lessons to further its progress (which would entail believing in either rebirth or reincarnation).
Because none of the belief systems are logical when I look deeply at them:
As an energy in spirit form why would I choose to come to Earth to experience human existence? Why would I choose to experience pain in this or any other lifetime? For what purpose would I need to experience pain and suffering?
Why would a loving creator force me to experience human existence? Why would it choose to force me experience pain in this or any other lifetime? For what purpose would I need to experience pain and suffering?
How are we going to experience the emotional feelings of love, hate, joy, pain and suffering etc, how could we perceive anything that requires the physical senses that our bodies create for us, without coming here to be in experience?
It is said by some that we are made in God's (or whatever our source or origin) image.
I believe that this is true but it doesn't mean that we can immediately demonstrate the wonders or perfection that we have inherited. Just as a seed contains all the identity of the flower, it needs to grow for those qualities to become apparent. I see no reason why that doesn't apply to us. We will make mistakes in out growth. (disease, war etc)
but eventually we will blossom.
Because none of the belief systems are logical when I look deeply at them:
How many have you looked at? There's lots out there. I probably haven't even heard of some of them.
How are we going to experience the emotional feelings of love, hate, joy, pain and suffering etc, how could we perceive anything that requires the physical senses that our bodies create for us, without coming here to be in experience?
That is the point I do not understand. Why would we as pure energy want to experience emotion of any kind? It does not seem logical to me.
How many have you looked at? There's lots out there. I probably haven't even heardof some of them.
Good point. I have not actively researched this, I am just going on what I have been told by spiritual people and read in spiritual books over the years I was reviewing books for High Spirit magazine.
That is the point I do not understand. Why would we as pure energy want to experience emotion of any kind? It does not seem logical to me.
I personally do not perceive us as pure energy though I see that you make sense of self by doing so, I personally perceive us as beings of pure creative consciousness and as we know consciousness is awareness, within our awareness arises a desire to experience beyond the void of consciousness that we are, so we creatively move beyond pure consciousness into an experience of being and here we all are. 🙂