psychics, sensitives and mediums

yes to the first question and, no to the second...:rolleyes:

Spiritualism isn't spirituality (the forum's title) - if I had a dollar for every time I said that this past summer I'd have enough for a full tank of gas.

Shows how misunderstood the religion of Spiritualism is....perhaps it also shows what a poor communicator I am?

I give up...or maybe you're just winding me up, eh? Some folks do....those who don't (quote) "...have better things to do than sit in front of a computer screen" (that's a joke BTW) 😉 😀

Mac, I am truly not winding you up. And I do know the difference between spirituality and spiritualism. In fact I started a thread on that very subject some time back. Your first post on this thread, IMVHO, belongs in the Spiritualism forum not in Spirituality. QED

Mac, I am truly not winding you up. And I do know the difference between spirituality and spiritualism. In fact I started a thread on that very subject some time back. Your first post on this thread, IMVHO, belongs in the Spiritualism forum not in Spirituality. QED

"Your first post on this thread, IMVHO, belongs in the Spiritualism forum not in Spirituality."

I started this thread and I posted it in the most appropriate forum for it..... I do make mistakes but I'm not totally dumb. 😡

Notwithstanding claims to knows the difference between s and S, your contributions to this thread paint a different picture...

No need to get shirty, Mac. 🙁 Nor indeed to cast aspersions. In fact I find your post quite upsetting...

No need to get shirty, Mac. 🙁

I'd be interested to read the thread you started on spirituality vs. Spiritualism....

Perhaps you could send me a link to it, please....?

Maybe I've been a tad dismissive about your knowledge....I'll be happy to apologise when I find I'm wrong.

Oh, take a hike...

Oh, take a hike...

I think we should now stop...

With my moderators hat on.

I agree it is time to stop and if it does not, then this thread will be locked.

I've found it interesting - and surprising - that nobody has proposed any other category of discernment or broadened the originals to include these other forms - yet!

Hi Mac,

I think there is relevance in this discussion in a wider context than within "spiritualism" because many people receive guidance in many ways. Many people believe that certain events seem to have significance beyond some kind of normal everyday circumstance that leads to unusual opportunities or understanding.

I will give you an example. Recently my son helped a family from China with their baggage getting off the train. He then went to the tube, not expecting to see them again. But when he got off the tube, to his surprise, they got off also. The father and my son started a conversation. The result of this is that the man has offered him a job in Shanghai as a designer in a very large toy factory. He is just out of college and is looking for work.

Some might explain this in terms of some kind of guidance provided by some kind of guardian angle or other spiritual being. Like myself, my son wouldn't do so and would just think this was part of the natural way things happen. Most people would find this kind of co-incidence remarkable. I think this is because they think the way things work is by mindless cause and effect, as in a machine, that sometimes is effected by chance events. To my mind this way of seeing the world is a delusion.

If people think the way things happen is like this they may begin to believe in supernatural intervention when certain types of unexplained coincidences occur. One way people may explain this is by developing an idea that guidance is coming from supernatural beings. This could be God, it could be angels, it could be guides etc.

So I'm proposing a further category of people who experience the kind of guidance that some would say was of a spiritual nature but do not consider it so. I don't know what to call them though! Perhaps you could call them Buddhists?

For Buddhist would consider that a deity or demon is some aspect of a person projected by their mind. In fact Tibetan tantric Buddhist practice engages in "deity practice." In this case the deity is seen as a projected visualisation before the practitioner merges with the deity and take on the qualities of the deity.

Norbu

Referring back to the start of this post....It appeared that the intention was to identify certain characteristics of the practice of Spiritualism and provide the reader with examples of the various aptitudes for consideration....Colouration was mentioned....I have found that this is one aspect that is frequently overlooked, and for the unwary can adversely effect the spiritual experince....The assumption frequently is that only good "spirits" are involved, but there are many cases of serious medical problems arising due to the unguarded trust of the practitioner, and the involvement of undesirable energy's.

Thanks for your comments and encouragement, Moonfeather. 🙂

I've found it interesting - and surprising - that nobody has proposed any other category of discernment or broadened the originals to include these other forms - yet!

I read many accounts of communication so I'd expected some contributors would reject the simplified descriptions and/or offer additional ones specific to their personal experience or understanding.

I may be wrong, but I think you will find not many people in this field actually think through the finer points of what they do and how they do it. It seems to be (although this is a generalisation and I hate them...) that understanding your own mediumship is rarely taught or passed on.

Colouration was mentioned....I have found that this is one aspect that is frequently overlooked, and for the unwary can adversely effect the spiritual experince....The assumption frequently is that only good "spirits" are involved, but there are many cases of serious medical problems arising due to the unguarded trust of the practitioner, and the involvement of undesirable energy's.

I agree - the assumptions arising from a 'white light will protect you' approach can lead people into dangerous waters. Take, for instance, those development circles where the leader has little practical experience or personal awareness; certainly not enough to deal with unwanted intrusions. Real damage can result from uneducated explorations... It's always well to respect the forces involved.

I have re-phrased (below) the 'Mediums' section. Any better?


Mediums

Certain mediums convey the words and teachings of spiritually-evolved teachers and guides. Such guidance is not personal and applies to humankind generally. In the past, details about the nature of life after death, and the dimensions in which we live, have been communicated in just this way. Guides and teachers often say they have experienced life on earth.

Another form of mediumship is that of ‘channelling’. This appears very similar to that described above. It is said that certain channelled information may come from individuals who have not lived on earth.

When any information is passed on in these way, there is always a risk of colouration from the mind of the medium or channeller. The more developed is the relationship between source and medium, the better can be the avoidance of colouration – bias, prejudice, belief etc. – being picked up from the medium.


An evidential medium acts on behalf of seekers here in the physical and those in the unseen world. In this, she/he may use methods such as clairvoyance (seeing, describing) and clairaudience (hearing) to acquire information which authenticates the source of a message. Details passed on are personal to those involved.

I don't care what you call it, I fall into all catogories and can 'do' all of it and I hate it, I get so angry when people describe it as a 'gift' I do try to respect that for some people it is a gift but it's hard for me because to me it's a curse which I hate to the extent that I have often wished myself dead because of it. So called 'protection rituals' i.e. visualisations and affirmations don't work, 'they' are just a total nuisance who deprive me of a moments privacy 24/7 for as long as I can remember. It is beyond me why some people try to develop in this area I would do anything to make it go away, as for this Remote Viewing I don't see the point the things I see are ridiculous and pointless and I will never understand why it is ok for me to know that some woman I see doing the washing up at the sink in her house is in such and such a country but when it comes to anything important such as the fact that I known for years about the poor woman in the cellar with her children but I did not know she was in Austria I didn't know where she was.
Everything about my 'gifts' is a total pointless waste of time and makes no sense, I go to energy healing to this very talented lady who is a Shamen, light colour therapist, reiki master and she tells me that in Oct 2011 the reasons for all my gifts will become evident and I won't be scared anymore and will be able to 'work with spirit but I'm not holding my breath in the meantime it's the bain of my life.
Rant over lol.

Love

Rebecca xx

I don't care what you call it, I fall into all catogories and can 'do' all of it and I hate it, I get so angry when people describe it as a 'gift' I do try to respect that for some people it is a gift but it's hard for me because to me it's a curse which I hate to the extent that I have often wished myself dead because of it. So called 'protection rituals' i.e. visualisations and affirmations don't work, 'they' are just a total nuisance who deprive me of a moments privacy 24/7 for as long as I can remember. It is beyond me why some people try to develop in this area I would do anything to make it go away, as for this Remote Viewing I don't see the point the things I see are ridiculous and pointless and I will never understand why it is ok for me to know that some woman I see doing the washing up at the sink in her house is in such and such a country but when it comes to anything important such as the fact that I known for years about the poor woman in the cellar with her children but I did not know she was in Austria I didn't know where she was.
Everything about my 'gifts' is a total pointless waste of time and makes no sense, I go to energy healing to this very talented lady who is a Shamen, light colour therapist, reiki master and she tells me that in Oct 2011 the reasons for all my gifts will become evident and I won't be scared anymore and will be able to 'work with spirit but I'm not holding my breath in the meantime it's the bain of my life.
Rant over lol.

Love

Rebecca xx

I can well understand how you feel. I am interested in the science behind it all but would not touch the involvement side. My partner became affected by the intrusions, and it was only after an experienced helper had taught her to shut down that further damage was prevented. She had to constantly imagine shutting doors, and windows to block the energies. It did work eventually. Some people will tell the energy's where to go if they become a nuisance, others are too polite and can end up being used.

for Rebecca

scommstech has made some valuable points.

The state you are in is one of uncontrolled sensitivity. I don't have a clue why this happens to some people but I empathise with how you resent it - I should hate it too and you have every right to feel that way. Rant all you wish - it shouldn't be that way for you!

BUT it doesn't have to be that way and somewhere there will be someone who can help you to de-sensitise yourself, maybe to the point where you're in control and have a choice in the matter, or where you can just say "enough" and totally switch off...

I'm not experienced in this subject but a knowledgeable psychic or medium ought to be able to show you ways to learn to become better in control of your sensitivity. An effective visualisation technique should not be so difficult although you would have to persevere and maybe be flexible, maybe try different techniques. I apologise if you've done all this without success....:( but it is, after all, the kind of thing that aspiring sensitives will learn in development classes. My own view is that any talk of a particular date is so much ***** - you choose a word! Dates are meaningless in such situations.

Come on you knowledgeable individuals. Can you - will you - help here???

Not sure if I *can* do much for Rebecca, as it sounds like she needs one- to-one-work and an understanding of what methods/approaches she has undertaken so far. Uncontrolled sensitivity is a bugger fer sure, but it can be controlled.
Difficult to say much more without sounding judgmental about someone I don't know, but I'd suggest trying scommstech's approach about closing windows and doors, for a start. I did this once with a friend who was too open and it did help.

Not sure if I *can* do much for Rebecca, as it sounds like she needs one- to-one-work and an understanding of what methods/approaches she has undertaken so far. Uncontrolled sensitivity is a bugger fer sure, but it can be controlled.
Difficult to say much more without sounding judgmental about someone I don't know, but I'd suggest trying scommstech's approach about closing windows and doors, for a start. I did this once with a friend who was too open and it did help.

And I did much the same for a friend of mine who told me it had worked for him....

Hello Scommtech, Mac and Moonfeather,

Thank you for the suggestions you have made but I have tried everything, they leave for a day two at the most and they either come back or are replaced by others, I've spoke to several experts over the years who have all tried to assure me that they are passed relatives, people who love me and want to look out for me and it is my fear that is making me think they are just bad and scary but I know deep down that isn't true because if these people cared they would know how scared I am and leave me alone.
It's the lack of privacy that hurts the most I don't think I've ever been alone and long to do something 'normal' like lie on my bed naked reading in the summer for example but I feel too self conscious, the sounds bug me too and wake me several times a night it's like the sound of a radio being tuned in.
Mac I know what you mean about dates but this lady is a world renown astrologer and she is aware of how much this issue worries me so I don't think she would have given me false hope if it's not true, either way I need to believe it's true to keep my sanity if I can't make them leave then I have to work with them and I would rather do that than live like this.

Love to you all

Rebecca x

Hi Rebecca:)

Scommtech, Mac and Moonfeather have raised some very helpful advice.

One of the most important teachings is to learn how to “open and close”, and being shown and “guided’ correctly by hopefully a very experienced teacher.

May I possibly add to the great advice already given by asking how this first all started for you?.

In the beginning quite often many people dive in to this area with (Often without knowing), with so much openness and a willingness to connect they tend to allow anything to happen just to have an” experience “, something that is different from this world.

Many can become should I say “lost” a little, become ungrounded, to an extent where they have not realized they have given away their own power to something surviving on that person fear of their seeming experiences. Opening themselves to allsorts of seeming visuals etc

I apologize if this is not the case; I am making an observation in general. There is a need for you to believe in yourself, your own person and the power that you have in your life.

Trust and believe that the practice of opening and closing is correct and will work for you. As you believe, it will happen for you, but seeing no point in the practice will result in your belief that it will not work, therefore you then believe you are still open to that which you feel survives on your fear of it.

Ask within for help; again don’t underestimate the power of asking within….It works, 😉 and believe!.

I cannot prove this to you as each person cannot prove their own inner experiences, you can only be guided to your own experience. but if you see that the majority of people who have stated and shared their own experiences as you have carried out techniques that worked, maybe you could believe they too would for you.

Remember if you yourself are not receiving the spiritual help needed, the 2nd option spirit uses is by using everyone around you.

I agree about the dates, you have free will and your path is set out before you, treat future predictions as enjoyable advice and fun, but do not be dependable upon everything as correct for this can drive a person mad for they tend not to live their life as they would wish to due to waiting for a moment that “may”, happen.

You said " You need to believe it true to keep your sanity". Stop a moment and think about this statement, already you are making an intent that in order for yourself to find some meaning, some sense of peace you will not find it unless what you were fortold MUST come true....You are stronger than this, believe and trust the perfected person you are.

You have the power, you have the decision to change the way you see your life, as soon as you stop and look at that which you fear within and suddenly see no value in what you see, it will disappear, for what you see in this way is there because you want it to be, you may ask “how am I keeping things as they are?’, by burying things deep within (like a fear), it manifests in many ways, when you look at what you buried and see no threat to your power, gone is the fear and life brings a new lift to you.

Things then change.

I hope something will click for you….just believe and trust in yourself and the power YOU have!

Do not be afraid to question your beliefs and everything you were taught as you grew, trust within what will work for you,discard the rest.

Blessings

Sacrel

Rebecca Theses energys' are almost certainly not relatives. Relatives would know your discomfort and respect it. The energy that latched on to my partner was a female African warrior that had died in the bush, many years ago, or so she claimed. When challenged she apologized and left. You must keep up the shutting down program that you use and keep it up. Do not worry about privacy, spirit is all around us every day. Heaven or the occupied dimension is every where. Just think of them as radio waves, or TV programs. They are always here, but requiring a receiver to see or hear them. In your case you have left your spiritual radio on, and need to switch it off. Lots of people hear or see thinks without realizing what is happening. Their spiritual radios are inadvertently switching on, probably by moods etc. ..Keep at it you will get there. Knowing what is happening is half the battle. I compare unwanted energies to back seat drivers. If you were driving, and was being annoyed by a back seat driver, you would tell them to shut up or get out. Do the same, you are the driver.

Hello Sacrel,

Thank you for taking the time to write such a lovely post, if I am honest I to admit that there is more I should be doing re opening and closing down but I don't have the patience to learn and this is most probably because I am resentful of having to learn something I am not interested in, I have no desire to be psychic, a channel, medium or whatever word you want to call it.
It was ok when I was a child I had many friends who were dead (adults) but I did not know they were dead until they left my life and I would go looking for them only for somebody to tell me they had been dead for donkey's years, it was all very easy to cope with because I had never known any different and until I was 34 (I am 40 now) I had no reason to be afraid, but in Jan 03 I had a nevous breakdown which I prefer to call a 'spiritual awakening' following a lifetime of mental and physical abuse by my Mother and that's when my 'gifts' (I hate that word!) seemed to become a lot more stronger and this last 7 years I've just had people from the other side who are a nuisance, they turn electrical items on and off in the middle of the night, stare at me 24/7 and steal things from me then put them back in the exact same place I left them a few days later which often makes me think I'm loosing the plot.

I understand what you mean about the back seat driver metaphor, I know I need more control but it's just so hard when I have tried so many things, and they DO work only to find they are back again the next day, there are so many 'people' (and a dog) in my house right now I wonder how there is any room for me! Occasionally I will walk through a room in my house and it feels like squeezing through a crowd and they are all jabbering away at the same time like I say it sounds like a radio being tuned in.

I once channeled very successfully, but without planning it one afternoon about 7 years ago after drinking half a pint of cider (I don't know if that has anything to do with it) I was sat in a pub with a lot of people my family know and I was being shown pictures and it turned out they were all relevant to the people I was sat with and were interpreted by them as messages from their dead relatives and the people said they were very grateful. I can also do it quite easily when in the company of people who are also psychic, some friends took me to meet a chap they know who is quite famous on the spirtualist church curcuit last Febuary in the hope that he could help me and I sat and channeled for him to order I immidiatley got his Mum and a terrible pain in my arm, she said loads to me and the pain was an injury she died of, but when I am on my own I only get cranks and weirdo's.
I have had several attempts at helping myself I have joined circles and been to my local spiritualist church but I have only ever met people who are openly hostile and frankly a bit rubbish at hiding the fact that they are clearly jeleous of me and I sense that they feel threatened by me and that has always upset me and it's always something I am scared to tell people because I am then scared they will think I am a big head which is not true but I know when people are displaying feelings of jelousy.
I know I have to deal with it soon one way or another, I just keep putting it off because like I say I'm not interested but I have to come to terms with the fact that it's not going to go away, if anything it's just getting worse and almost every week I find I can do something new, this week my latest piece de resistance is reading minds and I don't like that at all, last week it was picking up people's feelings or watching how people died by touching something they own and I can also do this from letters they write even via an email.
I did a Reiki I attunement in March which in hindsight was probably a mad idea as I now get Jesus telling me I will be a chanel for him but I am to tell people I am channeling an entity called Samuel because people won't believe me and I will get carted off to an asylum and won't be taken seriously, this Jesus one is the only one I'm not scared of, I don't like any of the others, I espcially don't like 'Lilith'.
Thank you again for replying.

Love

Rebecca xx

Thank you for your post Scommtech, I apologise the 'back seat driver' metaphor was in your post, not Sacrel's. New year's resolution for me is to try to get 'something done' I know that sounds vague but I've not got a clue what that something is I just know I have to do it.

Love

Rebecca x

Hi Mac,

I'm surprised you haven't replied to my post number 38 in this string?

Norbu

Hi Mac,

I'm surprised you haven't replied to my post number 38 in this string?

Norbu

I had rather hoped that someone else would.... I did read it thoroughly but couldn't agree.

The anecdote you gave is not necessarily best explained by reference to Buddhist philosophy.

The name of the "further category" you suggested - Buddhist - would be too specific, most appropriately applied to adherents of, or matters related to, the teachings of The Lord Buddha.

By contrast, the terms I used are not specific to any single belief system.

By contrast, the terms I used are not specific to any single belief system.

But they are also terms that a lot of spiritual people don't execpt. It's seen as containing the infinite to earth logic, and surely the debate needs to be wider than that.

This thread is in the Mystical>Spirituality forum and therefore people of those views have valid comments to make. They can't be excluded because they don't except the terms as stated above.

This is a subject of great colour and posters should be encouraged to share their differing views, not ignored because you disagree.

Myarka.

" Many people believe that certain events seem to have significance beyond some kind of normal everyday circumstance that leads to unusual opportunities or understanding.

Will you offer your take on the above so I know from which direction you approach such instances?

Then I'll offer an alternative...;)

But they are also terms that a lot of spiritual people don't execpt. It's seen as containing the infinite to earth logic, and surely the debate needs to be wider than that.

This thread is in the Mystical>Spirituality forum and therefore people of those views have valid comments to make. They can't be excluded because they don't except the terms as stated above.

This is a subject of great colour and posters should be encouraged to share their differing views, not ignored because you disagree.

Myarka.

Who am I excluding, pray tell? Have I not thrown it open by posting in this very forum?

I don't ignore other views as you'd have it but neither am I obliged to respond to every one either... I frequently express myself without a single individual responding - such is the nature of discussion forums, would you not agree?

If others don't accept the terms I use then they have every right to express their views - do you believe I am trying to suppress that after I invited comment from the first?

Will you offer your take on the above so I know from which direction you approach such instances?

Then I'll offer an alternative...;)

Hi Mac,

I just think that there is no reason why this kind of thing shouldn't happen. It's just a natural thing. It's only when you start to believe that the universe operates in a mindless mechanical fashion and then, at other times, things happen randomly do you need to come up with an explanation. I believe that the theory that the universes is a mindless machine that sometimes malfunctions producing random events is a highly flawed model of how things are. I don't need to explain the wonder of life, or the wonder of my being, or the wonder of the deep nature of reality. I just want to become more and more aware of it and be part of it and know it's nature in me and in everything and everyone I encounter.

Who am I? I don't know. In fact, I know that I don't know, or perhaps I know that what I am is not something that I can put into words, yet I know that I experience this mystery of being as do countless others. If I cannot tell you who am I, how can I tell you who is any other? All I can go on is my experience. When I look into another's eyes and feel their presence, I have some kind of notion that I am meeting another like myself.

For sure I encounter life forms in my dreams, but to me, these dreams are nothing more than the projection of my mind. Reality is that which is there outside of the projection of my mind yet all I have is the experience I have and that is a mingling of my dreamlike projections and those I encounter and the world around me. There's quite a big difference between my waking life and my dream life or the life of my meditations. I can tell the difference and do not wish to project "personality" onto anything other than people or animals or at a push trees and landscapes that I encounter in my waking state through my sense perceptions. I do not think there is any merit in doing other than this. In fact I think that projecting personality onto aspects of dream and meditation based experience is potentially dissociative. I cannot see any good motivation for this and I can see potential dangers in removing the grounding centre of being to become open to the vagueries of self let loose on the field of experience.

Of course I welcome any explanation you wish to make to explain the kind of experience I raccounted that my son had. I make no explanation. Form me any explanation is merely hypothesis that is likely to create traps, but I welcome your explanation nevertheless, because this is what this forum is about. And discussing these things like this give each other the opportunity to understand more and others who might read such a thread (they should have better things to do mind you) to make up their own mind.

Norbu

I have hesitated to join this discussion for various reasons. I will, however, attempt to explain my beliefs in the hope that it may clarify something or other, if only in my own mind. =)

Working backward from Norbu’s post #38, I would say that I believe that we always have assistance from beings that are othernatural. Not super as above, but different to those that we see every day on/in this sphere.

I understand these beings to be aspects of source (or the I AM)—but so am I an aspect. They are different to me, but the same as me in many ways. As I attempt to assist others each day, they assist each day. We all may reach across the dimensions, but from here as Myarka says may have difficulty conceptualizing the way in which that happens.

All aspects of source have the potential to evolve or develop through their own efforts, following their own designs. Nothing is required and nothing is off-limits. Through our own devises we may take winding journeys or may see clearly. Assistance can be accepted or rejected based upon our mind-set or heart-set and apart from beliefs or belief systems.

Some less evolved aspects offer assistance, or distraction, that can cause us to choose ways that may conflict with the way of the more evolved. We use our discernment to figure out to whom we will listen.

To the beginning of this thread; the three categories that Keith has defined seem to be referring to levels of the less evolved aspects, although if I had to choose I would say I tend to be more in the definition of medium (though how I hate that term!) and try to avoid the others for myself. I have first-hand knowledge of the influence of belief and self (coloration?) upon communication.

I also feel that I am assisted in certain directions and away from others, which makes it extremely difficult to engage in activities which are irrelevant to me. This guidance may be of my own making.

Generally, my understanding is that beliefs, although having no influence upon the actions of the universe, have tremendous impact upon the expansiveness or limitations of individual experience.

So, my previously stated beliefs will stand in the way of some ways of being and facilitate other ways of being.

To coloration; we may create any kind of beings or words we want. Those to whom we refer as guides are likely in this category. We want a specific kind of guide so call it into existence. We don’t have filthy guttersnipes as guides because they don’t fit our concept of spiritual beings, but we do have figures we believe are purer. The creation fits our belief.

The same is true of the words we “channel.” The words fit our beliefs. Change your beliefs and the words received will also change. It’s, in a way, the game we play while on this earth.

Some join the Spiritualist game, others the Buddhist game, still others the Christian game, and others the New Age game. You choose sides and the experience follows or is concomitant with it.

Norbu

"Of course I welcome any explanation you wish to make to explain the kind of experience I raccounted that my son had. I make no explanation. Form me any explanation is merely hypothesis that is likely to create traps, but I welcome your explanation nevertheless, because this is what this forum is about. And discussing these things like this give each other the opportunity to understand more and others who might read such a thread (they should have better things to do mind you) to make up their own mind."

🙂 As you indicate above, "....any explanation is merely hypothesis that is likely to create traps" No matter what alternative, possible explanation I offered I don't think there would be any point in my doing it....

Whereas I'm generally comfortable offering what I can, something which might give others food for thought, I think I'd be wasting effort in this instance.

Another time perhaps...:)