Healing and “The real you - no limitations”

Hi Judy

I had a long conversation on HP about MPD and how we can utilise it to transform what we are both physically and mentally, but this is not our everyday thinking aspect of consciousness, which I think you are referring to as our 'mortal thinking mind' but our core way of being aspect of consciousness, which is the driving force behind our life experience here.

The reason that science does not understand it or know how to utilise it to transform people, is simply that they do not recognise or accept that we exist outside of our human brain, they also do not recognise that we have a higher aspect of consciousness which is what I believe you are referring to as our 'divine consciousness', it is also often described as our I AM DIVINE higher self.

However our higher aspect of consciousness, is non-judgemental and just like the oneness of consciousness which it is an integral part of, it mostly just observes the life experience that we choose to create for ourselves here, we are in reality all one within consciousness, it is only our judgemental beliefs which creates inner separateness, divisional conflict and self imposed limitations where non existed.

You are right that our everyday thinking aspect of consciousness would find it difficult to heal, but when we choose to move beyond or heal our self imposed judgemental beliefs to become whole within the fullness of self, then we can utilise that inner wholeness from within the fullness of self to mindfully heal others from divisional conflict into wholeness within the fullness of the oneness that both parties are one within when the healing is applied within the fullness of self. 🙂

I come from a culture where healing is not a separate 'genre' per se. It is integrated to life in a way that I find naturally pleasing. I hadn't heard of healing, Reiki's etc until I arrived in the UK. ...I had only heard and known grace.

The way it is done(don't know about now...because Indians are copy cats of Western stuff without much discernment) is the way of grace and prayer.

We as a culture, don't talk much of issues, emotional challenges as something of a separate need, outside of the flow of life. The way to deal with problems is majorly by surrendering to grace. talking to divine presence opening your heart to IT, praying. Then things work out and there is thanks giving and gratitude...and if challenges still remain, it is understood that perfection has a better plan and that presence is always beside oneself looking after with great care. Losing control, personal agenda and attachment to a certain outcome is the way grace is defined....which contains all healing, one may need

The way I have experienced 'healing' is that you go for a satsang not with any particular aim in mind other than being in presence of a an awakened master, being in their force field brings blessings beyond anything that I have seen in systematic methods of healing. and sometjing rubs off on you...

Grace is surrendering your effort. Most healing is keeping your effort going, digging, analyzing, sitting doing self-healings or healing others, being very proactive. healing is a basic understanding striking that Its is God's world and He is incharge, everything is in perfect order...that is is the greatest heaing.there is...the rest is just an attempt to feel in control. This is echoed ( in the snippets that I saw) in the link

To me systematic attempt to heal body, emotins, situations feels and shoddy and cumbersome way of living
Flow contains everything. The need to heal particular this and that is surrendered to the Whole. then the worry of it also leaves you.
Slightly different way of healing that it is not about personal but universal will....and once that will is surrendered... personal is also sorted...individual is not separate from whole. Non-doing is the greatest healing. Great things happen in receptivity. Effort keeps blocking what would have healed naturally, if you just stayed receptive

Hi Jnani

Do you perceive yourself to be separate from whatever you perceive as god, grace and healing or a healer, rather than being one and complete within the fullness of self and everything?

Hi Jnani

Do you perceive yourself to be separate from whatever you perceive as god, grace and healing or a healer, rather than being one and complete within the fullness of self and everything?

No Paul. There is no separation anywhere in existence other than in one's own perception.

Hi Jnani

No Paul. There is no separation anywhere in existence other than in one's own perception.

Yes that is my understanding and whilst I agree with some of your post, I am a little confused by other aspects as they seem to contradict what you have just wrote!

The way to deal with problems is majorly by surrendering to grace. talking to divine presence opening your heart to IT, praying. Then things work out and there is thanks giving and gratitude...and if challenges still remain, it is understood that perfection has a better plan and that presence is always beside oneself looking after with great care.

To me this seems to be saying that we have to stop being ourselves and pray and open our hearts to something outside of self called a divine presence who might provide us with something called 'grace', if we receive this grace from the divine presence then we should be grateful for receiving it.

That there is something outside of self that is called or judged to be perfection as opposed to the judgement of imperfection (which in this context can only apply to us), that is always beside us (rather than being within us), who has what is judged to be a better plan that is separate to our own life plan (which in the judgement of something better) makes our own life plan worse or inferior!

Sorry but I do not understand how healing can develop from creating a judgemental separation between that which is within and that which is without?

Hi Paul, I'm looking forward to Jani's reply, but it sounds from your post to her that if, say, a child is born disabled, then you're saying this is them and they should accept it, because it is who they are? I hope that isn't what you think.

Love and peace,

Judy

Not sure if I can clarify the points you ask. because some of them I don't understand!
but I try...

To me this seems to be saying that we have to stop being ourselves and pray and open our hearts to something outside of self called a divine presence who might provide us with something called 'grace', if we receive this grace from the divine presence then we should be grateful for receiving it.

Since when Praying has started to mean that stop being yourself and open to something outside? Who said grace is outside or even inside?
Note Paul, I didn't say inside outside...open up means opening up, creating space
"Grateful for receiving it" why shouldn't one open their heart in gratitude? I said opening up and you have conjured the 'other' in this.I say Divine presence and you have seen it sitting on some golden throne somewhere!! Never said any such thing. but you have managed it well. You say- ''So called grace''-well that remains "so called grace" until you experience it. What can I say to that?

That there is something outside of self that is called or judged to be perfection as opposed to the judgement of imperfection (which in this context can only apply to us), that is always beside us (rather than being within us), who has what is judged to be a better plan that is separate to our own life plan (which in the judgement of something better) makes our own life plan worse or inferior!

"beside or rather within"....If it is within...then what is the problem of it being beside you, ahead of you behind you, above you, below you all around you as well? I describe a layman's (most of them probably never even had basic education let alone study spiritual/metaphysical stuff) down to earth way of dealing with their life problems. When heart is open it does not care too much about precise expression. heart is not that discerning it is a wee bit mad mechanism. It does not care that much about technicalities.

Judgement....I am cluless to the point you are making there.

It is simple heart reaching out for help. All the cleverness of words don't come into it. When something wants soothed,taken care of- heart cries out. That is prayer in itself. To who, by who, inside - outside does not come into it. Prayer is opening of heart.

Sorry but I do not understand how healing can develop from creating a judgemental separation between that which is within and that which is without?

You have just made it quite complex. what judgement? Things are simple and heart can grasp them, its intellect that gets confused often and in copious measures.

I don't know how you relate with this word - 'healing' but for me healing happens naturally on its own accord when you are loose and natural and open in heart. It is all in the flow. It does not need any creating,developing. It happens when you slip out of the way. and it happes like nobody's business!

I Hope Paul, this reply does not confuse you any further!;)

Hi Judy

Hi Paul, I'm looking forward to Jani's reply, but it sounds from your post to her that if, say, a child is born disabled, then you're saying this is them and they should accept it, because it is who they are? I hope that isn't what you think.

We are all personally responsible for our own life experiences as well as the thought patterns and beliefs which creates and maintains them. I do not perceive that someone's life experience with a disability is any different to someone's life experience who has not got one, they both have a complete life experience, they are both complete within the fullness of self and they are both one within the oneness of consciousness.

Hi Jnani

Since when Praying has started to mean that stop being yourself and open to something outside?

Would you consider that you pray to yourself?

Note Paul, I didn't say inside outside...open up means opening up, creating space "Grateful for receiving it" why shouldn't one open their heart in gratitude?

I agree that we should all be open to the fullness of self so that we can be complete within the fullness of self, but I am not sure why I should be grateful for doing what I have decided to do!

I said opening up and you have conjured the 'other' in this.I say Divine presence and you have seen it sitting on some golden throne somewhere!! Never said any such thing. but you have managed it well.

Sorry but I have not said that at all, that is not how I perceive the oneness of consciousness, apart from that, as beings of pure consciousness, we would not have anything to sit on a golden throne with if we wanted to. 🙂

You say- ''So called grace''-well that remains "so called grace" until you experience it. What can I say to that?

No I said "something called 'grace' " because I am unsure of what you are talking about, but if you have to receive it and be grateful for it, then it obviously does not come from within, otherwise it would just be accepted. 🙂

"beside or rather within"....If it is within...then what is the problem of it being beside you, ahead of you behind you, above you all around you as well? I describe a layman's most of them probably never even had basic education let alone study spiritual/metaphysical stuff.

Sorry but they are completely different things, food on the table is not the same as the food within our stomach, now had you have said within, then I would have understood that in a completely different way to "perfection has a better plan and that presence is always beside oneself looking after with great care"

Our words express our understanding and yes they do not always come out the way that we was thinking they should, that is because we have an core way of being that we have programmed with our personal understandings and core beliefs that interprets our thoughts as we put them into action.

To perceive a 'perfection that has a better plan and that presence is always besides oneself looking after with great care' is an interesting thought, but unfortunately it implies that we are somehow inadequate at forming and executing our life plan and because we are so inadequate, we require some presence to always be there to look after us with great care, you probably will not perceive that, but then we do all perceive things differently, which is why we often seek clarification. 🙂

Hi Jnani

Would you consider that you pray to yourself?

Praying to SELF...you are a part of it. As I said praying to who - does not come into it. Praying-opening of heart is the main thing. You find that a wee difficult as you obviously see prayer as an inadequacy as superior inferior thing.

I agree that we should all be open to the fullness of self so that we can be complete within the fullness of self, but I am not sure why I should be grateful for doing what I have decided to do!

well don't Paul, nobody has asked you to. Fullness of Self that you so often talk about what is it if it does not overwhelm you? if it does not overflow with gratitude for all that IS? It is just what can happen. but if it hasn't happened to you yet, is there a way I could or anybody convince you? Fullness of SELF is overflowing...not holding back with why should I's!. In the fullness of SELF, things are a bit mellow rather than being rigid and set in stone

Sorry but I have not said that at all, that is not how I perceive the oneness of consciousness, apart from that, as beings of pure consciousness, we would not have anything to sit on a golden throne with if we wanted to. 🙂

No I said "something called 'grace' " because I am unsure of what you are talking about, but if you have to receive it and be grateful for it, then it obviously does not come from within, otherwise it would just be accepted. 🙂

If you are unsure about the very thing I am talking about but you are rather quick to presume that it obviously does not come from within, otherwise it would just be accepted. Grace is not outside of you, nothing is but you can stilll keep missing out. You might have heard of a cup that is already full....incapable of receiving...As I have said before. Everything is pure consciousness, not just those who say it. yet one can be living through mental constructs and in suffering.

Sorry but they are completely different things, food on the table is not the same as the food within our stomach, now had you have said within, then I would have understood that in a completely different way to "perfection has a better plan and that presence is always beside oneself looking after with great care"

If you leave the inside outside thing alone, perfection is looking after each of us with great care. I can see how "beside" has put spanner in the work for you. Haha.

Our words express our understanding and yes they do not always come out the way that we was thinking they should, that is because we have an core way of being that we have programmed with our personal understandings and core beliefs that interprets our thoughts as we put them into action.

Things can get quite blurry almost mysterious....mind cannot grab most of the mystery....only the bits that it already knows and comfortable with. The rest it bends to fit with how it knows it... but anything that is of value in life belongs to the unknown. Being vulnerable to that unknown part is true understanding. Words are certainly inadequate....not because of any other reason but that which is worth knowing is elusive and beyond the grasp of words

To perceive a 'perfection that has a better plan and that presence is always besides oneself looking after with great care' is an interesting thought, but unfortunately it implies that we are somehow inadequate at forming and executing our life plan and because we are so inadequate, we require some presence to always be there to look after us with great care, you probably will not perceive that, but then we do all perceive things differently, which is why we often seek clarification. 🙂

I have expalined that I was talking about how most Indians pary ...You ask a peasant ploughing a field(in India), he says his prayer as God raisng his eyes towards heavens, oblivious of inside outside concepts...he stilll connects to that space that is pure peace. There is nothing unfortunate about simplicity of heart and the expression that pours forth... There is nothing very clever about choosing words carefully...for divine presence or that space does not care about alll that but only only openness of heart. Essence not words count in opening up

Of course Paul, the confusion and need to clarify arise because of separate perceptions. Otherwise where is the difference?? and who needs clarification? you are used to your way of understanding your concepts and it is going to get in a muddle if someone steps slightly out of line. Because now it does not fit in with your understanding and choice of words.
True understanding therefore cannot be achieved by intellect...differences cannot be reconciled in two perceptoions....for that is the very thing causing differences and separation.
That is what I said in my reply to your first question.

.I had only heard and known grace.

And grace is a divine quality that always shines through you Jnani!

This little poem reminds me of you: [url]"FACE TO FACE" [/url]

doh! I thought I was learning
Giles thanks for sorting the quotes in my last reply. What an angel! you will soon have wings at this rate...:D

And grace is a divine quality that always shines through you Jnani!

This little poem reminds me of you: [url]"FACE TO FACE" [/url]

Thanks Judy. Nice pithy poem!

Hi Jnani

Praying to SELF...you are a part of it. As I said praying to who - does not come into it. Praying-opening of heart is the main thing. You find that a wee difficult as you obviously see prayer as an inadequacy as superior inferior thing.

No I perceive prayer as a way of seeking or pleading for something from a god or something that is worshipped, the object of worship that is being pleaded with to supply or intercede on our behalf is usually portrayed as something outside of self, but then I was brought up in a different culture to you, it might be different with you. 🙂

well don't Paul, nobody has asked you to. Fullness of Self that you so often talk about what is it if it does not overwhelm you? if it does not overflow with gratitude for all that IS? It is just what can happen. but if it hasn't happened to you yet, is there a way I could or anybody convince you? Fullness of SELF is overflowing...not holding back with why should I's!. In the fullness of SELF, things are a bit mellow rather than being rigid and set in stone

The whole point about accepting the fullness of self in an open and non-judgemental way, is that there is only what is, we are all complete within the fullness of self, we are all exactly where we have chosen to be, we are all capable of making personal choices that will change our life experience within the fullness of self.

We are not half full or half empty, we are all simply complete and whole within the fullness of self, without judgement there is nothing to compare, there is nothing to be overwhelmed with, there is only an acceptance of the wholeness which is complete within the fullness of self.

As I have said before. Everything is pure consciousness, not just those who say it. yet one can be living through mental constructs and in suffering.

Yes, everything begins and ends with a thought, we have a free will to choose to create and experience any type of life experience we wish to experience within the fullness of self.

Suffering is something that we have a right to experience, it in itself is neither right or wrong, it just is a way of being that creates a part of our life experience, all is one, there is only the life experience that we choose to create for ourselves.

Hi Jnani

No I perceive prayer as a way of seeking or pleading for something from a god or something that is worshipped, the object of worship that is being pleaded with to supply or intercede on our behalf is usually portrayed as something outside of self, but then I was brought up in a different culture to you, it might be different with you. 🙂

I sussed that, that prayer is inferior superior thing for you. It is opening of heart, becoming vulnerable to me. Cultural you may call it...but there is something else in the mix too...opening of heart does not take away completeness-only mental projections do that.

The whole point about accepting the fullness of self in an open and non-judgemental way, is that there is only what is, we are all complete within the fullness of self, we are all exactly where we have chosen to be, we are all capable of making personal choices that will change our life experience within the fullness of self.

The game is slightly more subtle than you care to give it credit for Paul. Capable of making choices is a fraction of the story....a drop in the ocean-complete yet humbled by its own grandeur...not lacking, not incomplete, yet never smug in its own completeness. The whole moves and it moves with it. Who is left to make choices?

We are not half full or half empty, we are all simply complete and whole within the fullness of self, without judgement there is nothing to compare, there is nothing to be overwhelmed with, there is only an acceptance of the wholeness which is complete within the fullness of self.

nothing to compare? Reading your posts I would not have thought so! but if you say so...

Yes, everything begins and ends with a thought, we have a free will to choose to create and experience any type of life experience we wish to experience within the fullness of self.

Thought has its place, for sure ...but its not be all end all of everything

Suffering is something that we have a right to experience, it in itself is neither right or wrong, it just is a way of being that creates a part of our life experience, all is one, there is only the life experience that we choose to create for ourselves.

There is nothing wrong with suffering. As a culture we have made it wrong but you are right there-spot on! Not sure about the rest in the paragraph...but it is quite ok. I am not here to debate. I am happy for you Paul. You are a good man.

love

Hey everyone,

I started this thread hoping that people would watch the video and begin a discussion about healing - not Paul trying to score points over Jnani! :p

Hi Judy

I did watch the video and I did comment on what you started the post with on how people with MPD can alter their physicality to suit their core way of being, which is the same way that we all do, but since they are doing it with more than one personality which they can create at will, then the physiological effects are more visible and dramatic, but healing is the same. Heal the inner divisional conflicts that are creating and maintaining the physiological problems and they will be healed into wholeness.

As for my conversation with Jnani, I was not trying to score points I was seeking clarification on how she perceives what she wrote which does fit the thread, for the same as with the MPD where they divide self to be able to function in different situations, there is a divisional price to pay for choosing to reject the inner wholeness that we already possess within the fullness of self, by choosing to perceive ourselves as lacking or incomplete and creating a need to look outward to seek inner fulfilment, though Jnani did say that she does not do this. 🙂

Hey everyone,

I started this thread hoping that people would watch the video and begin a discussion about healing - not Paul trying to score points over Jnani! :p

Is that a Christian attitude, Judy? ~ Sticky out tongue or not? (:p)

As for my conversation with Jnani, I was not trying to score points I was seeking clarification on how she perceives what she wrote which does fit the thread, for the same as with the MPD where they divide self to be able to function in different situations, there is a divisional price to pay for choosing to reject the inner wholeness that we already possess within the fullness of self, by choosing to perceive ourselves as lacking or incomplete and creating a need to look outward to seek inner fulfilment, though Jnani did say that she does not do this. 🙂

It seems, Paul that Jnani is aware of the "unknown", but doesn't know what is is?

Is that a Christian attitude, Judy? ~ Sticky out tongue or not? (:p)

Sorry it came over like that WildStrawberry - it was said lightly, but with a serious intent behind it.

There are many paths up the spiritual mountain to ultimate Truth.. Eventually, everyone will begin their own journey (whether here or hereafter!) Now the way I see it is that some of those mountain tracks might come to a dead end, some of them will have enormous boulders in their way and the faint-hearted will give up and look for something easier,.

Here on HP is a community of wonderful people - many devoting their lives to helping others, many willing to look outside the "norm" for answers. We may have different perspectives, disagreements even, but surely, it's just best to say, "That's not the way I see it" and then try to explain your own perspective, respecting the other individual's right to hold their own beliefs and opinions, rather than trying to pick theirs to pieces?

What bothers me is when discord creeps in from individuals who have no time for any perspective other than their own. We're all on the same journey - just using different paths!

Love and peace,

Judy

Hi
I have the feeling that Judy's original post was to introduce the idea that our physical states are dictated to by our mental states, or mind. Consequently Mind, denoting the Divine when used as our reference instead of mind, will produce perfection This would be seen as perfect health and harmony.

Grace, from the impression that I get, is just another way to think of, and accept the Divine.

Am I wrong.............

Hi
I have the feeling that Judy's original post was to introduce the idea that our physical states are dictated to by our mental states, or mind. Consequently Mind, denoting the Divine when used as our reference instead of mind, will produce perfection This would be seen as perfect health and harmony.

Grace, from the impression that I get, is just another way to think of, and accept the Divine.

Am I wrong.............

Are you riding the Grace wave and experiencing perfect health and harmony?

Sorry it came over like that WildStrawberry - it was said lightly, but with a serious intent behind it.

There are many paths up the spiritual mountain to ultimate Truth.. Eventually, everyone will begin their own journey (whether here or hereafter!) Now the way I see it is that some of those mountain tracks might come to a dead end, some of them will have enormous boulders in their way and the faint-hearted will give up and look for something easier,.

Here on HP is a community of wonderful people - many devoting their lives to helping others, many willing to look outside the "norm" for answers. We may have different perspectives, disagreements even, but surely, it's just best to say, "That's not the way I see it" and then try to explain your own perspective, respecting the other individual's right to hold their own beliefs and opinions, rather than trying to pick theirs to pieces?

What bothers me is when discord creeps in from individuals who have no time for any perspective other than their own. We're all on the same journey - just using different paths!

I understand what you're saying, Judy. Only, on their way up the spiritual mountain, if a person glimpses a partial truth believing it to be ultimate truth, they can become attached to that view, that perspective. 'Discordant' winds (loosening the grip of tightly held beliefs and opinions) keep a person moving up the mountain, sweeping them along saying, "Don't settle here, there's a panoramic view from the top"

Hope you enjoyed the talk on Saturday, btw.

I understand what you're saying, Judy. Only, on their way up the spiritual mountain, if a person glimpses a partial truth believing it to be ultimate truth, they can become attached to that view, that perspective. 'Discordant' winds (loosening the grip of tightly held beliefs and opinions) keep a person moving up the mountain, sweeping them along saying, "Don't settle here, there's a panoramic view from the top"

Hope you enjoyed the talk on Saturday, btw.

What if there is no path and no mountain? What if 'ultimate truth' is where you are now? What if we miss the panoramic view that we have already, right where we are, whilst striving for some imagined mountain-top experience?

What if there is no path and no mountain? What if 'ultimate truth' is where you are now? What if we miss the panoramic view that we have already, right where we are, whilst striving for some imagined mountain-top experience?

In all honesty, Derek. Is that where you're at? Are you living the ultimate truth? 🙂

... on their way up the spiritual mountain, if a person glimpses a partial truth believing it to be ultimate truth, they can become attached to that view, that perspective. 'Discordant' winds (loosening the grip of tightly held beliefs and opinions) keep a person moving up the mountain, sweeping them along saying, "Don't settle here, there's a panoramic view from the top"

I'd say it was an infinite view! 😉 Well that's an interesting way of looking at it and so long as we don't cling onto the rocks and refuse to let go, yes you're right! Mary Baker Eddy says something similar:

[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]Love enriches the nature, enlarging, purifying, and elevating it. The wintry blasts of earth may uproot the flowers of affection, and scatter them to the winds; but this severance of fleshly ties serves to unite thought more closely to God, for Love supports the struggling heart until it ceases to sigh over the world and begins to unfold its wings for heaven.(Science and Health 57:23)

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Hope you enjoyed the talk on Saturday, btw.

Thank you, yes, it was very special and I got lots of inspiration that I will share, but right now, Boston is on my mind, so I thought I'd look at how effective the prayer of affirmation (that's when we start from the basis of our one-ness with Spirit, God), can be immediate and effective in every situation.

Instead of believing that we (or others around the world) are the helpless victims of chance, we can know that in Spirit (in the Kingdom of Heaven that Jesus said was within us) all is safe, all is whole, all is harmonious. Of course, our mortal senses scream that the opposite is true, but if we go deeper, we find a security and peace that is the divine right of every man, woman and child and every living being.

The purpose of this thread is to show that the right perspective of thinking out from Spirit, rather than matter, has results. So often, when faced with an overwhelming problem, an incurable illness, lack, poverty, injury or blatant evil, we think there is nothing we can do. That's not true, A prayer-filled consciousness (or whatever you want to call it) is effective, because it sees the all-ness of good (and I'm not using that word in a moral sense, but as purity, perfection and wholeness), therefore the nothingness, the powerlessness, of anything that arrays itself against who we really are - spiritual ideas of the one divine Mind and inseparable from It. This spiritual consciousness blesses the whole world.

I found this account of a young man in the army in Iraq. He begins saying how, during parachute training one day, he and another man found themselves being drawn together with the wind and nothing they could do was getting them off that course:

it seemed inevitable that we would become entangled. However, at the last possible second we separated, as though someone had just pulled us apart. I couldn’t explain how it had happened, physically speaking, but as I floated quietly down the last several hundred feet I gratefully acknowledged God’s love, presence, and protection.

The next time I was able to use the phone, I called my family. As I was describing the events that had taken place, my mom asked what time it had all happened. She then told me that it was at the exact time that she had felt impelled to pray for me and all the soldiers in Airborne School with me.

On another occasion—with prayer still an integral part of my daily routine—I saw a dangerous situation nullified in a war zone. I was leading my platoon on a patrol in Baghdad, Iraq. When we stopped, a large group of young Iraqi kids came up to us and started asking for candy and practicing their English on us. There was lots of happy laughter. Before this particular mission, I’d been praying with the idea that God was present every step of the way and that the presence of this divine Love was a protection to everyone there, including the local civilians and kids. I felt it was important to include in my prayers the idea that God’s love is universal and that any notion of being in the wrong place at the wrong time was illegitimate if God’s protection is constant and includes all mankind.

While some of our men were interacting with the kids, I was radioing up a few situation reports, and the thought came to me very strongly that we needed to send the kids away. As I walked over to give the order to one of our sergeants, I felt at peace, knowing in my heart that Love was present. However, before I was able to reach the sergeant and give the order, a car drove by and fired a long burst with an automatic rifle at us at close range, even though there were Iraqi kids all around us. But not a single bullet found its target. It seemed utterly impossible, and yet it happened—a really tangible, clear example of protection.

[url]"Prayer—a game-changer in times of conflict"[/url]

Love and peace,

Judy

In all honesty, Derek. Is that where you're at? Are you living the ultimate truth? 🙂

Yes, WildStrawberry, I am. There is only ultimate truth and I am living.

Yes, WildStrawberry, I am. There is only ultimate truth and I am living.

I agree with Derek. There is only ultimate Truth and we live, move and have our being in It. It's just that we're not aware of it, so we don't claim it as the only reality!

Or, as one fish said to another, "What's this thing called water? Do you believe in it?" "Nah - I've never seen it. It doesn't exist - it's just a myth made up to control us." 😉

Tom spoke about people feeling they had to search for some obscure guru sitting on a mountain top, while all the time the truth was already present, And as he said in the video in post 1, the earth was always round, but while men believed it was flat, it severely limited them. Did anything change when the truth was discovered? Only man's perceptions - nothing else.

Hi Judy

Tom spoke about people feeling they had to search for some obscure guru sitting on a mountain top, while all the time the truth was already present, And as he said in the video in post 1, the earth was always round, but while men believed it was flat, it severely limited them. Did anything change when the truth was discovered? Only man's perceptions - nothing else.

Yes I noticed that he referred to that quite a lot, however according to the records of the ancients that lived in Mesopotamia a long, long time before the bible was even conceived, people knew we lived on a globe that was round and they understood the number of planets in the solar system etc.

It was a shame that in a much later time frame, people chose to repress or eradicate such understandings under the threat of death and tell people silly things like the world was flat!