One perspective I have is that the "soul" cannot be "lost" or "fragmented" and so some methods of "soul retrieval" are unnecessary and based upon incorrect belief systems about the soul, and are not necessary. It's just another perspective to put into the mix! 🙂
V
What does "soul retrieval" mean, please?
I'm interested to discover what this phrase might mean.
Is it about helping someone recover from prolonged unconsciousness, such as a coma?
You have my very warmest sympathy & good wishes.
It may mean several different things to different sets of people. My scepticism is toward one particular concept in which it is believed that many "bits" of the soul are "broken off" and lost to you, permanently, without an intecessor to help. The intercessor I have in mind went so far as to say that we have parts of our soul "scattered around the universe" 😮 and that we could never get them back without her aid! :rolleyes:
But apart from that particular example, we might consider that the 'soul' is one thing and indivisible, hence we never "lose" "parts" of it. It is us.
But years ago we had this discussion on HP, and in the end it all depends on semantics and what different meanings different people attach to the word "soul". Since it has so many and confusing meanings, TBH I don't even use the word. 🙂 So just personally, I don't really believe that I have a 'soul' which needs 'bringing back to me'. I do believe in a Higher Self, which is the Real Self and always One.
But there will be other perspectives and no doubt people will post them here.
V
Soul loss can happen in this or a former lifetime. Soul loss occurs during situations of high trauma, an accident or illness, death of someone close, a parent leaving home, sexual abuse. It can also occur from hearing some bad news, feeling unloved by a parent, or divorce or break-up of a relationship.
Probably missed some things out - hope this helps
Soul loss can happen in this or a former lifetime. Soul loss occurs during situations of high trauma, an accident or illness, death of someone close, a parent leaving home, sexual abuse. It can also occur from hearing some bad news, feeling unloved by a parent, or divorce or break-up of a relationship.
Probably missed some things out - hope this helps
I kind of agree with all this, and surely the best book on this if you get hold of it is "Remarkable Healings" by Shakuntala Modi, a lovely lady. (She uses hypnotism, and the book describes all the 'voices' of the parts of the soul which have 'broken off' e.g. one part might take over during sexual abuse, so that the most of the person doesn't even recall or is conscious of the event.)
So it may appear I contradict myself. But in the end IMHO we are facing such questions as "What is soul?" (it is not the Higher, Real Self but a kind of down-here personality); "Don't the parts ever come back?" "Can't we do it ourselves or do we have to join a belief-system or fork out money?" The word "loss" in particular appears too strong, but it's compex to explain this, as it is to explain that I don't believe we are the soul anyway. The human personality is ever-changing and changes between lives.
Then again, one perspective is about healing (the personality) and another perspective is about spirituality (union with the God Self, which is never fragmented).
V
One perspective I have is that the "soul" cannot be "lost" or "fragmented" and so some methods of "soul retrieval" are unnecessary and based upon incorrect belief systems about the soul, and are not necessary. It's just another perspective to put into the mix! 🙂
V
surely you must have come across someone lacking in spirit and not quite all there if you know what i mean;) and besides who are you to judge not having experienced soul loss yourself..at least to your interpretation of the matter.
My own view is that the soul cannot be lost, but it can be disconnected. Call it semantics if you wish. As being a spiritual being having a soul is the difference between life and death, i.e. when the body is dead the soul has left. The soul gives us the connection with the spiritual realm and in some circles it's actually termed the soul/spirit.
It is that part that makes us uniquely who we are, without it we're just a clump of pre-programmed cells living by instinct. In anglo-saxon lore the soul is a multi faceted entity that cannot be separated from the body. Each facet having its own role to play, i.e. breath that binds the soul to the body, that is why the soul leaves the body on death.
However, through life we become hardened, knocked, damaged and the soul wraps itself in a protective layer. Our sensitivity is embedded in the soul and therefore it needs to protect itself, and therefore can develop a shell of proctection. The thicker the shell becomes the less communication we have with our soul and hence the feeling that it's been lost.
We can protect ourselves from that loss of sensitivity through nature and observation. Breath through the lungs of a blackbird, meditate on the beauty of a flower, rejoice in the sun and give thanks for life.
Just my two penneth's worth
Myarka
and besides who are you to judge not having experienced soul loss yourself..at least to your interpretation of the matter.
Apparently in a very good position. 🙂
V
My own view is that the soul cannot be lost, but it can be disconnected. Call it semantics if you wish.
I agree that people get confused in dialogue on this as they mean different things by the same words. Or come to believe that "soul loss" means different things - all the way to "my soul is lost and gone to hell" or "I've lost half my soul - forever" purely as a belief-system imposed upon them.
But of course there is pain and a sense of loss in life, yes.
P.S. I didn't start this thread! I was replying to a post that now is removed elsewhere I take it.
V
P.S. I didn't start this thread! I was replying to a post that now is removed elsewhere I take it.
Perhaps we should pay someone to retrieve it!
Sorry...
With a little less frivolity, I'd explain the idea of soul retrieval like this:
We have patterns of thinking and behaving that come from deep levels of programming. In some cases these patterns can end up causing us to repeat destructive patterns in our life. Even when we become aware of the suffering we are causing to ourselves we can find it very difficult to stop the pattern. It can take years even with great effort to be free of our demons.
In these deep patterns there are aspects of who we are that we have hidden as some kind of survival mechanism at the time the imprint was made, maybe as a result of some traumatic experience. We can search and search and search for this buried experience and the patterns imprinted hidden in us. Even when we do get a glimmer of what it is we then have to wrestle with the demon within us. When we face this aspect of our self and begin to accept it, in time maybe, this demon offers us transformation. What it really was is the missing part of ourselves that has been trying to escape the cage we placed it in. As we accept its power we find a renewed self. A self that is completed by it's return. I think this is what was going on with Jacob when he wrestled with the angel.
Genesis 32:24 And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. 25 And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. 26 And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me. 27 And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. 28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
Norbu
Great thread.......
Here's a link explaining a little about Soul Retrieval;
I think I already mentioned above Shakuntala Modi's book, "Remarkable Healings". This is a good example of what 'soul fragmentation' might mean though personally I have a problem with the semantics, but hey.
Aspects of self (but what were these aspects really?) were found to be locked away just like alternative personalities, even with different names, which had 'taken over' to protect the whole during moments of trauma and etc. Modi talked to them under hypnosis and it seemed to heal remarkably many conditions.
I read this over ten years ago, but I think I was also wondering at the time if these were not actual discarnates of deceased people trying to "help" but in fact entrapped or hanging on to the aura of people. In other words, it may not have been clear that they were aspects of one's own self ... but it was a long book, over 500 pgs, as it had many, many case histories, and I don't perfectly recall it now.
V
However, through life we become hardened, knocked, damaged and the soul wraps itself in a protective layer. Our sensitivity is embedded in the soul and therefore it needs to protect itself, and therefore can develop a shell of proctection. The thicker the shell becomes the less communication we have with our soul and hence the feeling that it's been lost.
Myarka
Hi thanks for your wonderful posts - I also believe that if we get ourselves into relationships where we have given ourselves this can also affect us.
I have done lots of healing and touched in this area in one of the treatments I learnt a few years ago - I am interested to find out if anyone knows of workshops available or of people offering the treatment - as I would like one...
Thank you