I came across(a long time ago) some stuff on energy and the ways in which our energy is stolen/given away. the main thrust of which was there are eight ways in which we can loose energy.
does anyone have a link to some in depth info of this.
if i recall correctly one way in which we can give away energy was (to use a sterotype) smother love, where a parent tries to protect a sibling by doing to much for them denying them the chance to come into their own sense of power.
I am interested in the less direct way we can give away our energy/disempower ourselves. particuarily at the moment in relation to my work councilling crack cocaine users.
thanks
cliff
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hello Cliffchuff
The book celestine prophecy by James redfield should give you most of the answers on the subject.
Its helped me change the way I operate and see things,plus recognise when energy is being stolen so I can put a stop to it.
RE: Shamanic defense question?
I have read it.I came acroos some shamanic litature some years ago with a guy who picked me up hitching in Germany and there was some stuff on the eight forms of loosing energy.
for example you can take someones energy by doing things for them (smother-love) which gives them the message they are not capeable beings.
generally people seem to think of energy attacks as taking the form of tyrant or agressive behaviour (a-la petty tyrant in castanada)
I am interested in this Shamanic system of categorising forms of energy and the techniques for managing them (other than remaining impeckable)
does anyone have any ideas where I might start looking for this. I am not sure if the eight directions are based on the medicine wheel but know the guy who had the lit was into totems so I am assuming it may be a north american system though he was also into the Germanic history with some Nordic connections.
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Hi Cliff
Where are you based? There's a very good library in the College of Psychic Studies in London which I use...
I also have a friend who works in a Shamanic way and his job is helping people with fairly acute needs, I could ask him if he could recommend any resources.
Personally I've found Judy Hall's bok on psychic protection useful ( - it's all energy in the end! - ) but her language is not specifically shamanic.
bestest
Patrick / BV
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Howdy Cliff.....
Hope you don't mind a personal answer that strays from the whole "Shaman" ideal.....
When I was in rehab for drugs (against my will due to incarceration), I lost most of my energy due to what I precieved as being attacked on a personal level. Everyone there was my enemy of sorts, even if this was just an illusion within my own mind. And the biggest enemy of all was the main counselor. To me, they made a living off trying to fit me in a catagory, when in all actuality I didn't even know who I was, much less what the world precieved me to be. But, in the end, it was up to myself to make a personal choice to stop my preconceptions, and to focus my remaining energies on turning the page in my own life. I don't think anyone could have made that choice except for myself, and the best thing that the counseler did for me was to not only let me know that they too were a drug abuser in the past, but also that she let me shatter my own illusions without interfearence, and offered to help pick up the pieces when I finally did. For that, I will always be eternally greatful.
Anyway, sorry about the long story, but it seemed to me that for each individual that was in the rehab with me, there was no single path to recovery. In fact, each path was as diverse as a cloudy sky that constantly reshapes itself into new aspects. I think if there are 8 ways to losing energy and what not, that those ways would be helpful to some, but even more helpful would be to figure out the 8 or 3 or 6 ways that energy is lost to the individual. There may be some similarities, sure, but at least everyone found it in their own way.
I respect what you do for a living, and wish you the best.
- Coyote
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Hi Cliff[&:]
I don't know if I go along with all the classical view of shamanism, or at least the typing of different experiences into boxes - I'm not putting it down - whatever works for some people is fine for them, it just doesn't work for me.
To block any energy that I perceive as detrimental to me, whether on a journey or in everyday life, I just envisage a shield of white energy around me - this can be as small or as large as you like, according to what you wish to shield;)
However, recently on a journey, I had to shield myself from a perceived threat, and instead of shielding myself and my guides, I sent a focussed beam of love towards the threat, which transformed it - I can't say it will work in every situation as this is all new to me as yet, but my gut instinct says if you completely believe it, and trust it will work, this is the greatest protection of all.
Mab xx
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thanks everyone for the replies, I am in London.
I too dislike boxes or labels but am aware that knowing different perspectives while not being stuck in one givesus the greatest choice in situations.
I am interested in this particular piece of knowelage because before skiming it I had never though of doing things for people could be bad for them. to respond in the personal:after subjecting me to a rather nasty step-father my own mother compensated by giving me unconditional freedom she allowed me through my teens to do what ever I wanted(which included drink drugs sex and crime) and even gave me money(cooked and cleaned etc) a result of this was it took me a long time to realise you have to work to get by in life(though in learning this I have learnt that work can be fun and full of light) in some respects she was stealing my energy by not allowing me to stand on my own. Iremember there were several other forms 'of attack' and am curious to know them as extra toolsin my.
I currently work from a NLP/hypnoterapist background who started out in massage tending to favour solution focused and motivational techniques with a CBT flavour.
being aware of categories will not tie me to buying into them (I hope)
thanks
cliff
ps where is the library?
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ORIGINAL: Mabinogion
However, recently on a journey, I had to shield myself from a perceived threat, and instead of shielding myself and my guides, I sent a focussed beam of love towards the threat, which transformed it - I can't say it will work in every situation as this is all new to me as yet, but my gut instinct says if you completely believe it, and trust it will work, this is the greatest protection of all.
I would agree with that, Mab. I've seen the difference focused love or joy can have on a spirit energy and it is astounding. As my teacher used to say when asked about protection... what are you protecting yourself from? Very often it is your own fears and if you can change that fear into unconditional love/compassion, then very few 'nasties' can stand it for long.
BB
Moonfeather
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Mabinogion, Moonfeather, I concur absolutely.
I think denser energy (it's all relative so I hesitate to say negative) can only act where it can get a hold, which is on similarly low-frequency energies. Typically, this means fear: and Harry Potter with the Boggart teaches us a good lesson.(Remember the Ridiculus charm?) Laughter will disarm most malign energies, and love is probably even more powerful. Conversely, whatever we fear, we energise.
So be happy, and you'll be like Teflon to the yucky stuff.
End of sermonising 😀
love and light
BV
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Enjoyed all the wise advice on this subject of energy..if you also ground the energy this helps aswell...ie..going for a walk in the park..woods..wherever nature is..will help to disperse the build up of others vibes etc..aswell as being good for you anyway..it is a grounding tool..which is why people sometimes say "Just going for a walk to clear my head"..etc...
hope this helps?
LadyAstor