What do you do?
I'm sorry I see this was covered in 2012.
What do you do?
I'm sorry I see this was covered in 2012.
You need to see someone who has been trained in Shamanic Healing. I had a look at the Foundation for Shamanic Studies website, , but I couldn't get the links to different states to work! I don't suppose you ever come to the UK?
I would recommend Sandra Ingerman's book, 'Soul Retrieval'. That would give you a clear idea of how soul loss happens and how it is healed. A few people give instructions for do-it-yourself soul retrieval. I can't recommend that way, but that's up to you, of course.
I'm not sure this is the case with me. I am just trying to heal myself to the best of my abilities.
And I'm also not sure what is damaged or enhanced?
Perception!
What could be perceived as lack of boundaries could also be perceived as empathic.
Also the loss of soul could be one perception while storing it someplace safe or encapsulating it till it was safe might be another.
I think the more enlightened we become, the more we realize that we have the choice of which perception to live. And how to form or heal ourselves inside of that perception we create.
The world around us will co operate somewhat with our perception...the law of attraction...but most of this I believe will be internal.
Also the loss of soul could be one perception while storing it someplace safe or encapsulating it till it was safe might be another.
Where would that be? And if that were so, where is the shaman going when he/she journeys to where the soul has fled to? And comes back to describe the place so well that the client cries out, ‘Yes! That’s where it happened!’, or ‘I know that place. It’s my grandmother’s garden’?
Of course you could be right and I and all other shamanic workers are fooling ourselves when we think we are journeying to the Upper or Lower Worlds and are talking to our Spirit Teachers about soul loss. And I and my friends might be imagining that we see the same things and all our Teachers agree. But there’s no more or less evidence than that you are imagining what you do.
I accept that we filter every experience through our own perceptions. That does not alter truth, only our perception of truth.
I know a man who is convinced that he is the only consciousness – the rest of us are all figments of his imagination. I think he’s wrong, but there’s no way to prove or disprove it to him, since he ‘knows’ that any evidence anyone presents is all in his head.
Do you think that there is the possibility that those who have suffered the most have the greatest opportunity for developing compassion and empathy?
Are you limiting this to one lifetime? Because, if not, how could you know? Maybe the person who this life is a happy millionaire-playboy is way more spiritually advanced than the rest of us but, after hundreds of suffering life-times, he needs one life experiencing the opposite. The fact is, we never know. (Incidently, this is an example only. I'm not saying that money buys happiness.;))
Besides, I find empathy overrated. Compassion, now. That’s the work of lifetimes.
I don't know much of anything about shamanism. That's why I asked.
But I remember something somewhere about having fragments of ourselves in our auric field, in the layers. And some psychics do reintegration of all of the parts?
I'm guessing from your answer that this is not the case with you.
But I remember something somewhere about having fragments of ourselves in our auric field, in the layers. And some psychics do reintegration of all of the parts?
I'm guessing from your answer that this is not the case with you.
When a client comes to me for healing, I journey to ask my Spirit Healing Teacher what needs doing. Every situation is different of course, but typically there will be an extraction, followed by a power or a soul retrieval. She will often show me the client’s soul line, so that I can see roughly when soul parts left. Then I go to get the missing part(s).
Some souls may stay close, in what you term the auric field (I remember a client who had lost soul when his leg was amutated. That soul part was close but feared that it would no longer fit into him. We (my Spirit Teacher and I) reassured it and it returned easily.
But most do not. Some will still be where the soul loss occurred, and may be mistaken for a ghost. Some may have gone, under the misapprehension that the body has died, to the Land of the Dead. In this case you need a shaman who is experienced in travelling to the Land of the Dead to get it back.
Often it is in the Grey Place which is between here and the Land of the Dead. There are other places – the Void, for example. The more experience a shaman/shamanic practitioner has in any of these places, the better s/he can deal with the problems or dangers that might arise there.
I have come across workers in other fields who can do part of this work. I know of only shamanism which will cover all the bases.
When a client comes to me for healing, I journey to ask my Spirit Healing Teacher what needs doing. Every situation is different of course, but typically there will be an extraction, followed by a power or a soul retrieval. She will often show me the client’s soul line, so that I can see roughly when soul parts left. Then I go to get the missing part(s).
Some souls may stay close, in what you term the auric field (I remember a client who had lost soul when his leg was amutated. That soul part was close but feared that it would no longer fit into him. We (my Spirit Teacher and I) reassured it and it returned easily.
But most do not. Some will still be where the soul loss occurred, and may be mistaken for a ghost. Some may have gone, under the misapprehension that the body has died, to the Land of the Dead. In this case you need a shaman who is experienced in travelling to the Land of the Dead to get it back.
Often it is in the Grey Place which is between here and the Land of the Dead. There are other places – the Void, for example. The more experience a shaman/shamanic practitioner has in any of these places, the better s/he can deal with the problems or dangers that might arise there.
I have come across workers in other fields who can do part of this work. I know of only shamanism which will cover all the bases.
I admit I don't know anything about Shamanism but I must say it sounds very interesting. Any information I have come across have been from your posts Crowan.
Sounds like a very connective path.:)
I had the reiki emotional symbol and opened my chakras with the intention of retrieving parts of me that had collapsed or ceased to function because the pain was too confusing.
It wasn't what I expected. It was very much like you describe. As I went hunting I found a vision of a happening and saw the paralyzed part with eyes glazed over, in the place where it was happening (like you said). I was feeling them hurting, in the layers of my aura but that's not where they were to be found.
I wrapped myself around the little person And told them I loved them and said come and be part of me. Be safe in me. It's ok now. One in particular kept going back but I kept retrieving it till it felt like part of my heart.
This is very difficult to see these scenes and resque the little broken part of me. Each time it is an alternating from feeling the scene and then the love and then bringing it home. But it is a wonderful feeling each time a piece melted into my heart.
This will take a little while. I did expect to be able to meditate focus and be all together. That's not going to happen.
After I do this I'm going to have to walk out of the back door of "the shack" and finish the rest of the work.
Then I will be ready for my mission.
Has anyone ever tried to do this kind of work on themselves?
And you know what? It doesn't even matter if this is real or imagined.
It's healing.
If you do not believe in what you do
Then you would be wasting your time
Healing, either giving or receiving
Requires both sides to have belief
Even drugs supplied by our medics
Can also require some patient belief
And that is why placebos are in use
:1kis: I didn't say I didn't believe it.
I believe it is psychic or therapeutic. Which ever way the wind is blowing in mind at the moment. But this my preparation for the exercise of passing through the shack.
I am gathering up the parts of me that I believe have splintered off, gone into coma or died. It is representing itself to me as a linier path (although some to my right and some to my left t) that I have gone to the farthest injury and have been working my way forward. It is painful but so effortless as to be fantasy. Because of the emotional pain and exhaustion I had to stop and continue this evening.
I have some difficlty holding on to my reiki and psychic beliefs. A crisis of faith if you will. So I'm just saying. ..it doesn't matter if it is true or not, if it is psychic or therapeutic fantasy... its making me feel better.
Now truthfully. ..do you ever doubt that all we believe could be mass hysteria? The though never crosses your mind.. I even for a moment?
Now truthfully. ..do you ever doubt that all we believe could be mass hysteria?
Oooh now your going to the depths testing the truth of our cores Stephanie. :hidesbehindsofa:;)
Mass Hysteria / noun Psychology .
'A condition affecting a group of persons, characterized by excitement or anxiety, irrational behaviour or beliefs, or inexplicable symptoms of illness'.
OK...MY BAD! But you never have doubt? Is it not ok to admit to finding this world is sometimes the answer to every thing and at the same time feel like its a little crazy?
My hold on any belief is tenuous. It doesn't take much to shake me. I am the product of an ever changing environment that says...
There is no reality, only perception.
So I blow in the wind, relying on the constant reaffirmation from the universe that I am on the right path. I envy people who have strong unshakable beliefs but mine are always subject to further information and and life experience.
I constantly take a good look to make sure that I am not a sheep or a lemming. I am constantly making reality checks.
But this may change after I collect all of my parts and after I pass through the shack
OK, the good, the bad and the ugly. If you can't stand ugly stop here and go read elsewhere.
I seemed too easy to be real. With no more effort than I suppose a guided meditation in a therapists office. I guess that's why I am not sure it is real.
I picked a symbol that I wanted to use and opened my chakras ( kind of humorous, my bottom 3 would have nothing to do with this and stayed shut like clams). OK fine, be that way, I just do this with the top 4. I can do this.
I'd been told a story many times about something that happened when I was very young (around a year old) but I had no memory of. Yet every time the story was told, I could see it from above.
My parents were divorced when I was 6 months old. My mother had to work, at some point she was having difficulty finding a sitter and no nurseries would take a child still in diapers. She finally found one but it was a Monday through Friday nursery. Meaning you dropped off your child on Monday and picked them up on Friday (strange I know). She didn't want to but was between a rock and a hard place so she did. The parents were not allowed to visit for the first few days so the child could get used to the idea. Well, the second day my mother could not stand it anymore and had to see if I was all right. She saw me standing alone by a the fence in a trance like state with wet diapers hanging, and grabbed me up and took me to my aunts. Now I wasn't at my aunts before this because my aunt wanted me and said if she took me she wanted to keep me and for my mother to give me up (yes, selfish manipulating people causing pain all around them). But my aunt took me for a few days until a sitter could be found. The story goes that I could not be put down. If I was set down, I did some kind of death scream. So I was part of my aunts body until Friday when my mother got me. My grandmother moved in with us, so the problem was solved but apparently I had my first nervous brackdown at around a year old.
So this is where I went. To that little broken person standing alone by the fence in a trance. I knew where to go, I' ve seen her many times. From above. I suppose that was the first time I disassociated (ha, my first astral projection) no not funny. I wrapped myself around her and said "I love you, come be with me, come be safe in me" and she came. When she came into me I felt her spred out like she relaxed and went to sleep in my soul. It was wonderful.
So I went to the next injury and the next. Then I felt something missing and I had to go back and get get the first piece again. The little broken person had returned to the past? ? ? I loved her I again and brought her back to me. Returned to what I was doing but had to go a third time for her.
I only did about 4 pieces, I am not finished. My head hurt so bad today that I did none. Maybe tomorrow.
I don't understand why she kept going back? Is it supposed to be this easy? Or is this just my imagination?
And you know what? It doesn't even matter if this is real or imagined.
It's healing.
Good. This means I don’t have to go into reasons not to do it yourself.
I don't understand why she kept going back? Is it supposed to be this easy? Or is this just my imagination?
You have already said that it doesn’t matter if it is imagination. Stick to that.
I suspect that you did bring her back but that whatever made her go is not sorted to her satisfaction. Also you had not integrated the pieces(s). The problem here is that she came back once and went again. Eventually she'll stop trusting you and refuse to come back.
You are lucky also – or maybe protected – in that the souls so far have not wandered away from where you lost them. (There’s another possibility – that you are simply bringing back a memory. In that case, they were not brought back at all.) If they were somewhere else you would run the risk of leaving more of you behind. It’s not for nothing that the training takes time and effort.
If, however, you feel healed by the experience, good. Just enjoy it.:)
I respect what you are saying. I know I am playing with grownups toys. This is something that I have to do.
But when you say she was not integrated? She felt like she stretched out inside of me and fell asleep. Maybe I should have stopped there and gone on another day? One piece at a time.
That makes sense that she would leave when others were brought in.
And I brought on in during the screaming and thst probably was not right. But I couldn't find it after the screaming. That was where I found it.
But this not an experiment. I need to have all my parts before I go through the forgiveness process. This is something that I have to do.
But I have to admit that I feel like hell. I have a calmness but my head hurts so bad.
I respect what you are saying. I know I am playing with grownups toys. This is something that I have to do.
But when you say she was not integrated? She felt like she stretched out inside of me and fell asleep. Maybe I should have stopped there and gone on another day? One piece at a time.
That makes sense that she would leave when others were brought in.
And I brought on in during the screaming and thst probably was not right. But I couldn't find it after the screaming. That was where I found it.
But this not an experiment. I need to have all my parts before I go through the forgiveness process. This is something that I have to do.
But I have to admit that I feel like hell. I have a calmness but my head hurts so bad.
Integration of a soul part takes an average of three weeks. It’s important because you don’t want to be you with separate bits inside you; you want to be a whole person. With a client, my Spirit Teachers would give him/her a daily practice for those three weeks, specific to that client.
The part that was screaming? I would not have brought this back. At least, not without taking it first to my Spirit Teacher’s house for some serious healing. Why would you want a disturbed and damaged part of you back?
But it is an experiment, isn’t it? You are taking a practice that has been developed by shamans working shamanically in particular ways for thousands of years and changing those ways without the in depth knowledge that would allow you to know why the practices are like that in the first place.
A soul retrieval leaves someone feeling better, not worse.
You are right of course. When I bought "the sceaming", "the broken part in a trance" left.
I did a healing on myself today. It felt painful. The parts I have retrieved need to be healed.
I am not or will ever be a shaman. I don't even know where to find one. But Shamans are not the only people that do soul retrieval and/or aura healing. And I have to admit that was what I thought I was going to do. It just didn't turn out that way. So I look to you for help.
You are all I have. I was hoping for a little guidance. I understand that I may end up with the equivalent of a hundred brooms filling my bath (the sorcerers apprentice). But I want to be whole. This is a ritual that I must do before I pass through "the shack" (which is to undertake the ultimate forgiveness, of past present and future). To pass through the refiners fire. To let go of all pain, to be whole.
I will nurture the parts I have. They are in pain and I am sick (without sickness). I will nurture us...for 3 weeks? You say to integrate one? Well, slap my hands and I will not do anymore for 3 weeks.
But then I will get the rest.
I got the "screaming" because that was what I found. I kept looking around for a point of disassociation, but couldn't find it. That was what I was lead to. And it came easily, jumped into me.
I'm thinking that I use the word "doubt" almost as a wish that I could turn around and all of this was not true. But it is true. I walked down a gray corridor and found what I was looking for with no effort. I was being lead and protected. I know it's true. I did not feel the horror, the fear or the pain. I felt only the love of my little pieces that I needed to find and bring home. I was taught that reiki has no limits in time and space; that we could go back in time and heal and comfort others and ourselves. My belief is stronger than the strangeness of the belief. And these beliefs are so strange I can hardly wrap my mind around them. And yet...I believe them. I do believe them.
I am a lightworker and have a mission. I am being lead through a fast track training so I can get with it and do my job. Every book I read and every person that connects with me (in a positive or negative way) is assisting me on this fast track crash course in becoming who I need to be.
If I can convince myself all this is not true; I can go back to "eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we shall die." I think I look for this to not be real so I can avoid the responsibility that would bring me my ultimate joy.
I will be Ok. I CAN DO THIS. This is a crisis of faith, a test and I am passing. The universe is probably a little peeved with me. How much does it have to show me? Before I just accept my calling and get on with it? I believe. I am a newbie. I will make mistakes. But I am here and I believe.
I can hear how important this is to you, so – in spite of my doubts – I will try to help. I read your post first thing this morning but have taken the time to go and ask my Spirit Teachers for what advice I can give you. So this advice comes from my Spirit Healing Teacher (who also has doubts about this).
First of all – you do not need to have every part back. Some parts are more ‘keystone’ than others. So concentrate on the four you have already engaged with. I would not bring back four parts for a client at once – it’s too much for the client to deal with.
If you have a spirit guide with whom you can converse, please involve him/her in this.
Now – go to the part that is screaming. And use your Reiki skills to heal her just as if she had walked into your home asking for help. As if she were a client. Don’t move onto the next part until you are sure she is healed, even if it takes several sessions.
Then, and only then, ask her what she needs in order to come back to you. If this is something that you are confident that you can provide, then say so and invite her into you. If she asks for something you can’t provide, you can negotiate. But DO NOT promise anything that cannot be fulfilled.
Once she is in you, then do this ritual once a day for three weeks (it may take a few days less or a few days more. I know that you are sensitive enough to tell when she is fully integrated.): Sit in front of a mirror with a glass of water. Drink the water, while looking at yourself with love and then say, “Welcome home”.
During the three weeks you may feel very tired, or tearful. Or you might feel great. If it is the former, be kind to yourself. You may find yourself wanting to do things that are ‘childlike’ – remember, it’s a soul part that was very young when she went. Again, go with it if at all possible. Eat a chocolate ice-cream, if that’s what she wants. Go on the swing. The first soul retrieval I had, I went to bed with my teddy-bear for a week. (I was 37. My soul part was 8)
Once she is fully integrated, go back for the part that left again. This time she might need more reassurance. But basically, do the same. Heal her, talk to her and ask her if she will come back. Negotiate if necessary. Finally, do the three week integration ritual.
Do this for each of the four pieces.
This might work. I can promise nothing. In some ways, doing your own soul retrieval is like drilling and filling your own teeth – sometimes it might work, but it’s always going to be more difficult than if someone else did it. And these parts have all stayed (probably through shock) in the place you lost them. If they hadn’t, you wouldn’t have found them in the first place.
I know you believe that Reiki can heal anything. I do not believe this. I became attuned to Reiki in an attempt to understand what it did. I discovered that it is exactly the same as I teach under the name ‘calling the power’. However, ‘calling the power’ is a baby step on the way to doing shamanic healing. It is the first half day of the three-year course I teach. Many of my students have started with Reiki, before learning shamanism. Some are Reiki Masters and have done it for years. Then they start shamanism and realise how much more there is to the universe.
Now. I am going away tomorrow and will be away from home for two weeks. I will be completely off-line for 3 days, then again from the 28th until August 5th. The few days in between I will only have my phone, so I won’t be writing anything very long. But I do want to know how you are getting on. I will be caring about what you are doing, even if I can’t reply for a while.
And I know that you read development books. Normally, I would never recommend learning to do a shamanic journey from a book. But you are going to carry on with the soul retrievals whether I think it wise or not, so I will, on this occasion, do so. Try to get hold of a copy of Shamanic Journeying: a beginner’s guide, by Sandra Ingerman. It’s the one that people seem to find the best and it comes with a CD of drumming so that you can put what she teaches into practice.
Once you can journey, I’ll be much happier about helping you. Even if I persuade you not to do any more soul retrievals on yourself, there are other things that you can do to heal.
:hug:
I appreciate your response and I understand your hesitancy. I would never recommend tattooing your own face. But I am one of yhe few people in my occupation that does all my own work.
I have a school and I understand how people that know little and try to do things beyond their capacity can do harm.
And still; with this understanding, feel like I must do this. Now, so I can pass through "the shack" or connect with my higher self. I am one of those people who feel delightfully comfortable putting off till tomorrow what I could do today.
But with this, right now in my life, I have a feeling of urgency. There is something that I am going to be asked to do. I am going to have to be more than I am now to be able to do it.
You have recommended 2 books to me (I will have to go back and look for the other one) and I have a little extra money right now and will order them today.
I feel like the parts that I retrieved are with me. The reiki I gave them last night scared one of them I don't see them as separate as you discribe treating them. But I do feel like they are separate from each other. 3 are very close in age and 2 of them joined. I only feel 3. Separate and like soon there will be 2. One a year old a the threesome at 5th grade (I think around 10 or 11).
They saw me as their mother and leapt into me. But it was when I got the screaming that I lost the youngest. She came back easily but scares easily. I think that is who was afraid, last night of the reiki. The youngest is on the left side of my body and the others are on the right.
I just tell them they are safe. I love them. Every thing is ok. Over and over again. I mostly send love. I am a dangerous old woman. Come
into my danger and I will protect you. Nothing can get to you through me.
Thank you again for your advice. I am open to it.
Ahhhhhhh! They were both available on kindle.
I get it. I know what is different. I haven't been able to read the books yet but I know how I feel differently.
Every morning (or whenever) that I woke up; I would have to figure things out again. Test them again to validate the truth again. A therapist might say (I guess) that I had a short term memory loss of some kind of dissociative or psychotic disorder.
Well I don't seem to have it anymore. I know 2 days is too short a period of needs to judge this; but I don't feel that tenuous hold on reality like I did.
Today is just as real as yesterday and I still believe what I believed yesterday. The world is the same. I'm 63 and pregnant...ha...and the world is the same as it was yesterday.
I know how insane I must sound. But if this helps someone understand what is happening in their life. ..then I will stand exposed to the world.
I think I understand why. I was living in different places. My parts were still connected to me and this is why I felt like I was not all there. I wasn't.
How did that expression begin? Was it actually recognized that some people were not all there?
Well most of me is back with me. The three small parts that were all the same age have merged into one and the young one is settling in but still jumpy. But all or most of me is living in the same space as nd time. It feels solid. It feels heavy. It feels unquestioning. Like I can learn with out being driven. My quest is not so desperate but still a quest.
I'm trying but can't really describe it. I feel different. I feel better.
Ahhhhh, I know like Crowan said "full of myself"...ha!
Not finished. Letting my parts (it is too funny, I feel pregnant) settle and integrate. I am feeling physically better. I was feverish and achey, head achey and not well. I had no illness. Not pregnant. ..ha. just not well. The price for traveling through space and time? Or integration?
More reading tonight 🙂
This is not an issue for me anymore. So I think it is safe to assume that everyone integrated.
What is different? I'm not sure. But when my mind goes to those places. There is no issue. I just turn around and walk away. It's done.