Where did the Aryans originate?

RE: Where did the Aryans originate?

Aryans were nomads and they left clues in many place

They called themselves the "noble ones" or the "superior ones." Their names are lost; their tribal names are lost. But when they found themselves conquerors, they gave themselves the name "superior" or "noble."

love and blessings
lightwinds
Wendy x

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I do not know much about the Aryan-Dravidian connection. From what I have read, tribes from the north of modern day Iran travelled south and established their home there about several thousand years ago.

RE: Where did the Aryans originate?

ORIGINAL: lightwinds

Aryans were nomads and they left clues in many place

They called themselves the "noble ones" or the "superior ones." Their names are lost; their tribal names are lost. But when they found themselves conquerors, they gave themselves the name "superior" or "noble."

love and blessings
lightwinds
Wendy x

Where did they come from exactly? Or who did they come from, and where did the people they came from come from? Thats interesting you say, "Superior" Wendy. I read that they worshiped the War God and conqoured land wherever they went with incredible efficiency. The neat thing is the war like people migrated to India instead of invading it. The ancient tribes of India must havecharmed the Aryans with ancient mystic wisdom which had been around for 500,000 years. The natives and migrants unifyed harmoniously, creating the Vedic period in Indian history.

Startingtoheal - I have also heard they migrated form Iran. lets check it out.

The most accepted view is that the region between Poland to the Central Asia might have been of the Aryans. They were said to be semi- nomadic people, who started moving from their original home towards the west, south and east. The branch which went to Europe were the ancestors of the Greeks, Romans, Celts and Teutons.

Fascinating about the Greeks, Romans, Celts, and Teutons. The Aryans also introduced the swastika, which Hitler used. Interesting that Hitler also used the term, "tuetonic knight", in his sacred rituals.

I have a feeling, "Aryavarta", or land of the Aryans may hold a key to the discovery of this origin mystery.

Peace
Cody

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Hi Elyezual,

hope this help you with where the Aryans originated from?

Since ancient times people had noticed that there were a lot of similarities among European languages. But it wasn't until the 16th century, when Europeans began studying the Indian language Sanskrit, that scholars realized this similarity extended to several Asian languages as well. The classic example was the word "father," which was echoed by vater in German, pater in Latin, and pitar- in Sanskrit.
In 1786 the British orientalist William Jones suggested what today is an accepted fact of science, namely that all the languages were descended from a common source, of which no trace now remains. In the 1800s the philologist Max Mueller gave this protolanguage a name: Aryan, a name believed to have been used by various peoples living in the vicinity of Persia, modern Iran.
It seemed reasonable that the Aryan language had originated with a single Aryan tribe, or in the parlance of the day, an Aryan race. Language scholars occupied themselves for the next hundred years trying to determine where this tribe had lived and what they had looked like. At first it was assumed that the Aryans were Asians, but nationalistic European scholars found this hard to swallow and began scrounging for evidence that the Aryans had originated in Europe. German scholars were particularly energetic in this regard and persuaded themselves that the Aryans were a tall, blond, "dolichocephalic" (long-headed) people whom today we would call Nordic. The Germans and their supporters believed the blond Aryans had originally lived by the shore of the Baltic sea and had spread their language and culture throughout the rest of Europe and parts of Asia. The fact that most speakers of Aryan languages did not look at all Nordic they explained away by saying that the original blonds had long since been submerged in the gene pool, and they dug out all sorts of references to fair-haired or fair-complected heroes, heroines, or deities in the Homeric ballads and other ancient texts. These were the now-lost Aryans, they argued, bringing the gift of civilization to the shlubs.
The idea that the blond Aryans were a superior race was first raised explicitly in 1853 by one Joseph Arthur, comte de Gobineau. De Gobineau was a respected ethnologist who argued in all seriousness that the Aryan races would prosper as long as they did not allow themselves to be tainted by mixing with black and yellow peoples. De Gobineau's ideas were widely popular and are said to have influenced Richard Wagner and Friedrich Nietzsche. Stripped of the scholarly trappings, Aryanism soon filtered down to the beer halls and eventually became one of the central tenets of Nazism. By then it had shed any linguistic significance; Hitler justified his persecution of the Slavs on the grounds that they were racially inferior, although they spoke Aryan languages.
After World War II nobody wanted to have anything to do with Aryans and the term was dropped in favor of "Indo-European." But the search for the original Aryans/Indo-Europeans wasn't completely abandoned. The leading candidate at the moment, I gather, is the "kurgan" people of what is now south Russia, so named because they built mounds called kurgans. From 4000 to 3000 BC, some researchers believe, they migrated in all directions, bringing their language with them. Not much is known about them, although there is archeological evidence that they were tall. But blond hair, blue eyes? Only their hairdressers knew for sure, and they didn't tell.

who this helps you.

Love Farideh x

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Farideh, "Only their hairdressers knew for sure, and they didn't tell". 😀
Cody, I think that farideh, wrote out a good bit of imformation there and it's just stilla mystery as to were they came from.
love and blessings
lightwinds
Wendy x

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Hi all,

funny enough last night my husband I where disccussing where Aryan originated from?
My husband grandfather was German who move to this country druing the war, and I'm Iranian and all my life been told by parents and grandparents that are race is Aryan.

so my husband said that he's from the Aryan race, true Aryan race, I had to put him right, mmmmmmmm, somehow I don't think so.
so I had to show the thread I put on here. now he's jokingly said now I have get on my hands and knees for bringing our children home, :).

love

farideh

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Farideh, in my research ive read that the Aryans that invaded India were dark skinned. It doesn't make much sense that they could be dark skinned and blonde at the same time. Strange...

I think another problem is that there is so much contradictory sources on the subject. And, because we dont know the exact origins, then we can only guess.

Do you think someone or something is hiding the truth for some sort of reason? Or do we just not know what happened back then? If someone is hiding the truth, why? Could it be religious? I couldn't think of any other reason. I wonder what the Christians, Muslims, andJewshave to say about the Aryans.

In my prediction, they came from the NorthEast, and spread to the Southwest. This would work out, seeing as they date you mentioned for Germany was 3000-4000 bc. And they date mentioned in the India invasion was 1250-1500 bc.

Do think that our main origins could be hidden in the Aryan past?

Cody

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Hi cody,

Iran as we know it now, use to be called persia wasnt always muslim country, we use to worship another religion called Zoroastrian, and we were introduce to Islamic religion by the Arabs, But Iran is very big country and we mix race Azerbaijananis they come from North, we have the Kurds from the west, Arabstrains from the southeast, this is What Iranian are consisted of.
the Aryan race was spread between Iran and India, and that was before we had any religion, so I dont really think religion has anything to do with it as Christianty, Islam and Jewish religion wasnt around.
The idea of an Aryan race is certainly not the idea of the Nazis. It was put forward as early as in the middle of the 19th century by the French writer and diplomat, Arthur de Gobineau, in his work in four volumes, Dissertation on the Inequality of the Human Races.
so why every body think Aryan could be blond hair and blue eyes, well the further north you go in Iran and I'm sure part of India, you could find people with fair hair and blue eyes, half of my family got blue and green eyes in Iran, they never married any westerens with such colouring.
I cerntainly dont look iranian myself.
so I guess some people think of all Indian or Iranian, being dark skin. so there could have been some Aryan race with such colouring.
it seems cody you need to have another dream to help everybody to solve this problem.

farideh x

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Hi Farideh,

Very nice to meet you. 🙂 I have some Iranian heritage on my father's side and I am presently majoring in Near Eastern Studies as a grad student down in Arizona, I am particularly interested in pre-Islamic Iranian studies. I do not know much about the as termed "Aryan race" but I find this thread interesting reading.

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Hi Startingtoheal,

Its nice to meet you too, I'm interested pre-Islamic Iranian or should say Persian, as Iran didnt existed until 1926, when Reza Shah changed it. And a lot further back when the I guess the Aryan race was around, as I have been told that Persia wassuch big countryit went as far as Egypt and on the east side as far asNepal, wow what a Empire, sadly at the moment Iran hasthe worst reputation possible.
I hope you do well in your study and publish well reserach book to enlight people with the history of Persia the Aryan race.
I'm really not expert in this line, I find the internet very useful for research, and thats where I get most my information from.

Farideh x

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Archeologists discover a city proved to be inThe Mahabharata, destroyed by a nuclear blast 8,000 BCE.Can radiationcome from ametoerite,or is it completely manmade?
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The problem is, there is so much radiation, they cannot commence work on the site

Hi mate,
Radiation could come from a meteorite, but that doesn't mean it would be a nuclear blast, it could simply be that the meteorite was a radioactive material (as absolutely everything in existance is to some completely safe marginal degree), but for arguements sake lets say its a uranium meteorite (which is extremelyunlikely in our solar system).

That wouldn't be sufficent to create a nuclear blast and it wouldn't make the site a no-go area because uranium isn't actually that radioactive until we start to mess around with it.

assuming it isn't a load of cods-wallow to begin with then your most likely looking at a man-made nuclear blast, the uranium would have to be mined from deposits(found in australia, africa, and a couple of other places)and then brought to this place, it would then have to be refined and put through a reactor to produce uranium 235, which could then be used to make a bomb.

the trouble is with all that you can't build a reactor out of rock, so their should be metal and concrete on the site, they would have to have an intimate knowledge of physics to pull it off and they would be unlikely to use a city as a test zone.

So your looking at a large meteorite hit directly onto a city (on a still largely un populated planet, thats atleast 1 in a million shot)which for some reason was incredably radioactive meaning that it would really have had to come from outside the solar system andafter the olar cloud there isn't an awful lot for an awfully long way. to me this suggests a man made blast

which is again hard to explain because of the lack of metal and advanced stuff. it could be a strike from another civilisation on them (explaining the location of the blast and why they don't seem advanced), but still not why it's still sooo radioactive (hiroshima is now re-inhabited with radiation at safe levels)

so yes its a bit of a conundrum, I may lean towards a man made nuclear detonation. just because to me the statisical chance of a meteorite that unusual landing right on a city is nil. i'd suggest googling 'tunguska impact' it happened in 1908 and was a spectacular display of what a meteorite can do but i don't recall there being any excess radiation

Cheers
Ben

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Excellent dialectic Ben. This really supports the idea that we just might have de-evolved from advanced races with advanced powers. It might not have necessarily been advanced technology, but more so advanced minds that may have been able to control/manipulate vibrations and matter. I would like to study this Mahabarahata, and see what it says about how the blast happened. Im guessing already that it had something to do with an ancient war, and someone with alot of mind power, like a demi-god or something.

If demi-gods did not exist, then why would there be so many accounts of them in pre-history from so many different areas of the world?

Lets see what we can find out. I would post back ASAP.

the ancient peoples (sumarians) give insight who the aryans are. you can also read this in the writings of zacharia sitchin. aryans are descendants of mankind and the annunaki. it is believed aryans are a superior race because aryans have annunaki blood so it is believed they have better genetics. there was one annunaki whose name was nazi. it is believed that this is where the nazi party derived its name. you could also investigate the thule group for answers. the ancient mysteries can be learned through the teachings of esoteric philosophy. its much more complex than a group of migrating people.

Zecharia Sitchin was discredited as being of much scholarly worth, however, when even his first book came out. He mistranslates, doesn't understand the texts, and extrapolates enormously.

Of course, all are free to keep their views. But I wish I could find online the Fortean Times review of Sitchin's first book, which simply took it apart....

V

This is an interesting thread! By coincidence, yesterday I posted about Persia and the Zoroastrians on the Baha’i thread on Current Affairs. There’s a link there to a history of the Zoroastrians which includes the Summarians etc.

What I have always been told about the blonde, blue-eyed peoples of Afghanistan and northern India (and Persia) was that it was down to Alexander the Great, who conquered (or at least passed through) all those lands. One of the ways that conquering armies used to subdue and control the population was by getting as many women pregnant as possible (sometimes through marriage, sometimes through rape) so that their blood was then in the population.

Mind you, not all Greeks are tall, blonde and blue-eyed, but perhaps they were then? Also, it is known that Alexander encouraged foreigners to join his army rather than just Greeks.

I have always been told that the Aryans came to India through Alexander, but it might be a red herring.

Judy

interesting thread ....

a lot of this goes back to Mesopotamia or even further back but nothing yet explains where we really came from as people, apart from creatinism if you believe in that and many people don't. There's too many anomolies.

a lot can be gained from ancient languages and texts and we know many Sumerian beliefs filtered into current mid-east religions.

a lot can also be gained from sanskrit as it is believed to be the oldest language in existence.

As has been previously stated 'Aryan' simply means 'noble'. In Sanskrit, "Arya" is (or was) the correct way to address a Brahmin (meaning something like "Your Honour").

The Aryans were the light-skinned people who invaded northern India in c.1,500 BC, and then mixed with the dark skinned native population. Military superiority enabled them to impose their language and culture on this larger population. These people almost certainly originated in the Arctic Circle, probably utmost western Siberia which, at the time, had a temperate climate. They migrated southwards through Russia and Iran (Aryan and Iran have the same root), before finally reaching India. They probably brought the caste system with them - with themselves at the top. I can't quote chapter and verse, but I was told by my teacher that there is a line in the Vedas where it states that a Brahmin should be blonde!

There is a fascinating book by the Hindu Nationalist, B.G. Tilak, called "Arctic Home in the Vedas", (published 1903), exploring this proposition. Tilak was a keen astronomer and came to the conclusion that the Vedas could only have been composed in the Arctic because of the way they describe the planets. Tilak's work was supported by J.G. Bennett in his 'Hyperborean hypothesis' ("The Hyperborean Origin of the Indo-European Culture"), and another interesting read is Professor V. George Mathew's "Holigrative Psycho-History of India".

I wrote an essay about all this for my degree, and can bore for England on the subject - so perhaps I'd better not take up any more room!