I've just been watching an interesting documentry on Discovery about the Knights Templar, and the mistery serounding their 'treasure' or secrets and Roslyn Chapel. Be interested in your views and opinions on this please guys.
i hope the following is related enough to the OP (original post) to warrant posting on this thread.
One of the popular beliefs of the origin of the mysticism behind "Friday the 13th" is thought to tie to the specific date of Friday - 10/13/1307 (or sorry, in as you would say in Great Britain 13/10/1307) - the date when the Knights Tempar were said to have been systematically and ruthless annihilated by the Christian Crusades.
I've just been watching an interesting documentry on Discovery about the Knights Templar, and the mistery serounding their 'treasure' or secrets and Roslyn Chapel. Be interested in your views and opinions on this please guys.
Have you read the thread i started? I believe,the templars treasure was not gold or jewels etc..,it was a spiritual treasure. I believe,there is no physical treasure or a physical holy grail. I hope you will read my thread and look forward to your opinion.:)peace.
Simply to say I agree. The same re the Holy Grail. These are spiritual treasures, masked by physical stories. The same with alchemy (creating gold) in fact.
Have you read the thread i started? I believe,the templars treasure was not gold or jewels etc..,it was a spiritual treasure. I believe,there is no physical treasure or a physical holy grail. I hope you will read my thread and look forward to your opinion.:)peace.
I guess you mean this one, Andy:
If referring to another thread - or an external website - it's always helpful to quote a link. 🙂
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Have you read The Hiram Key? That is about the Knights Templar and I beleive the other book was The Second Messiah (memory might have failed me here!) Very interesting reading they were too.
i hope the following is related enough to the OP (original post) to warrant posting on this thread.
One of the popular beliefs of the origin of the mysticism behind "Friday the 13th" is thought to tie to the specific date of Friday - 10/13/1307 (or sorry, in as you would say in Great Britain 13/10/1307) - the date when the Knights Tempar were said to have been systematically and ruthless annihilated by the Christian Crusades.
Nishira, not sure what you mean by the Templars being ruthlessly annihilated by the Christian Crusades- it is true though that many thousands died at the Battle of Hittin in 1187 when Saladin recaptured Jerusalem. Firstly, the specific date of Friday 13th generally refers to the day the Templer Master Jacques de Molay was burnt at the stake in Paris in 1314. Secondly, it was King Philip of France who set out to destroy them on fabricated charges but he was afraid of their power and jealous of their wealth.
There is every chance that those who remained after the death of de Molay reached Scotland and set up a secret gathering of Templars and that Roslyn was used as their church although there is no proof that the art work inside the church actually relates to their secret codes (as Da Vinci code would have you believe).
There are some excellent books on the Templars about, some talk about the mysterious/esoteric side and others on actual historical background of their domains.
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I am afraid that the story is a story of politic and power.
Jacques de Moley as so many of the templars has been killed. He has been beried on an island on the sene river in Paris.
For sure, they didn't manage to kill all of them and some escaped to different parts of france and abroad.
The treasure is safe. As they created the notion of cheques, it was not a problem to keep the money safe, or what was left abroad (not in Italy), because the pope was the one who gave his ok for the massacre.
Warm wishes
Nishira, not sure what you mean by the Templars being ruthlessly annihilated by the Christian Crusades- it is true though that many thousands died at the Battle of Hittin in 1187 when Saladin recaptured Jerusalem. Firstly, the specific date of Friday 13th generally refers to the day the Templer Master Jacques de Molay was burnt at the stake in Paris in 1314. Secondly, it was King Philip of France who set out to destroy them on fabricated charges but he was afraid of their power and jealous of their wealth.
There is mention on the internet (in wikipedia and other sources - although wikipedia is not always the most trusted source of information) in regards to King Philip capturing, torturing 🙁 and then killing the Knights Templar on that date (Friday 13th, 1307).
Where I first heard about that theory however, is in a book I read "The Cathars and Reincarnation".
Hope that helps.
I do not know any connection between the cathars and the templars but for sure, the Friday the 13th is coming from the night most of the templars have been arested.
Pilip the fair, so upset about this group richer than he was, wanted with the agreement of the pope to end it.
There has been a long held belief of a connection between the Cathars and the Templars. The Cathers flourished in the Languedoc region of France and the Templars had a lot of preceptories in that area as well. De Blanchfort was a Templar Grand Master at one point.
The Templars were thought to be sympathetic towards the Cathar doctrine and some were thought to take the Consolamentum on their deathbeds. Whether there is any truth of the Templars managing to get treasure away from the siege of Montsegur before their eventual demise remains spurious.
The book The Holy Blood and Holy Grail was one of the first to bring the connection between Cathars and Templars to public notice. Although a lot of what they wrote has since been debunked, there remains a lot of truth in the history that was uncovered in the Languedoc area and the mystery of Rennes le Chateau. It still remains a very good read.
Apologies for the misunderstanding, yes Friday 13 1307 is widely held to refer to the arrest of the Templars. Some historians have also found a link between that date and the death of de Molay as being prophesied.
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Hi Sue,
Yeah, i was gonna say that was understanding of the date/event.
For some reason in my memory I have it as that Friday 13th was the date that senior officers of men loyal to King Philip (having been rejected his request for a substantial loan by the Templars) & Pope Clement 5th (jealous of and threatened by the martial, political and financial power of the templars) – had been set to open the sealed envelopes that listed the names of the templars to be arrested.
As the ‘web’ of the Templars was so efficient; The Pope and King Philip had hatched what they felt was a fail-safe plan where no information could leak out and warn any of their intended targets… to the point that there was even a synchronised time set for the opening of the terrible missives.
Clearly my take is that it was not as effective as had been hoped by the two coveters of power as it seems the arrests were known about in certain cirles of the templars and possesions had already been packed with ships made ready at ports to make good the escape - with Scotland (among others) being one of the obivious and welcoming lands at the time.
Hi Rog (we can't go on meeting like this);)
Fascinating subject, the Templars ...
My understanding is it took 7 years from arrest to trial, torture and eventual death of the Grand Master and his senior men. I didn't make myself clear in my last para in that some historians believe De Moley knew when he was arrested when his death would be and supposedly told them at the trial. This probably didn't do his case any good as he would almost certainly have been accused of heresy. He also predicted that Philip would be dead within the year - which he was!
I'm at work at present but I do boast a good library of Templar literature at home and I will have a look when time permits to get a better understanding of the events leading to their arrests.
I've found one (if not the best) books on the Templars is the Trial of the Templars by Malcolm Barber. His evidence is mostly primary and very compelling.
On the Scottish story, yes I believe they (the Scots) were tipped off and opened their arms to those who managed to escape. St Clair, one of the senior Templars took a band of them up there and they integrated into Scottish society. St Clair became Sinclair over the centuries (a very Scottish name). Some others, I believe became integrated into the Hospitallers and Teutonic Knights.
More later .....
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I came across this the other day...
"The Vatican is to publish a book which is expected to shed light on the demise of the Knights Templar. The book is based on a document known as the Chinon parchment, found in the Vatican Secret Archives six years ago after years of being incorrectly filed."
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Did you go on the isle of City in Paris, where Bernard de Moley is beried?
It is a nice place to have a rest in Paris.
Warm wishes
Denis
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