any thoughts about 21/12/12?

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Well, it's now 21/12/2012, and here we still are... of course, we haven't been through the entire day yet, so there's still time for the world to end. But I don't think I'll hold my breath waiting. :rolleyes:

One thing I keep wondering about, though: crazy though it is, there are people out there who are seriously convinced that today is the end. What I'm wondering is, how will they explain it away when nothing happens? Most end-of-the-world prophecies over the past century or two (and there have been plenty) have been associated with particular religious groups and/or their leaders. And usually, when the end fails to arrive, the excuse given by the leader is something like "So many of us prayed and repented that God forgave us and decided not to destroy us" or "This day simply marked the beginning of God's final judgment - it hasn't ended yet."

But in this case - although I gather a few religious fringe groups have attempted to find corroboration for doomsday 21/12/2012 within their own traditions - most "predictions" for this date don't seem to involve a god or gods deciding to end it all. As far as I've heard (not that I've been following any of this too closely), most of the hoo-ha suggests that the end will come from some unstoppable force of the cosmos - the Earth's magnetic field reversing, or a rogue planet colliding with ours, or the sun giving out killer solar flares, or the Earth being sucked into a black hole, and so on. There doesn't seem to be a personal entity behind it to blame, or plead with for mercy, at all.

So how are believers going to rationalise it this time when doomsday doesn't come? I just think it'll be interesting to see, if indeed anyone says anything much. There's only one thing, after all, that we never seem to hear when any prophecy of "the end" fails: "Oops, sorry... we were wrong." :p

Whatever happens, happy winter solstice to you all - whatever celebrations you observe at this time of year - and let's look forward to lengthening days again! 😉

Charis

Well, it's now 21/12/2012, and here we still are... of course, we haven't been through the entire day yet, so there's still time for the world to end. But I don't think I'll hold my breath waiting. :rolleyes:

One thing I keep wondering about, though: crazy though it is, there are people out there who are seriously convinced that today is the end. What I'm wondering is, how will they explain it away when nothing happens? Most end-of-the-world prophecies over the past century or two (and there have been plenty) have been associated with particular religious groups and/or their leaders. And usually, when the end fails to arrive, the excuse given by the leader is something like "So many of us prayed and repented that God forgave us and decided not to destroy us" or "This day simply marked the beginning of God's final judgment - it hasn't ended yet."

Not forgetting the classic "Oh, we made a mistake in calculating the date". 🙂

But in this case - although I gather a few religious fringe groups have attempted to find corroboration for doomsday 21/12/2012 within their own traditions - most "predictions" for this date don't seem to involve a god or gods deciding to end it all. As far as I've heard (not that I've been following any of this too closely), most of the hoo-ha suggests that the end will come from some unstoppable force of the cosmos - the Earth's magnetic field reversing, or a rogue planet colliding with ours, or the sun giving out killer solar flares, or the Earth being sucked into a black hole, and so on. There doesn't seem to be a personal entity behind it to blame, or plead with for mercy, at all.

Ah, yes the good old planet colliding with us... that one that is a mythical planet that nobody's ever seen. I'm sure our scientists would have seen it coming if it was.

So how are believers going to rationalise it this time when doomsday doesn't come? I just think it'll be interesting to see, if indeed anyone says anything much. There's only one thing, after all, that we never seem to hear when any prophecy of "the end" fails: "Oops, sorry... we were wrong." :p

Well the dates all wrong anyway, as there's no proper accounting for the change of calenders from Julian to Gregorian, or leap years, or the fact that the gregorian calendar was calculated wrongly (as the catholic church recently admitted). I think with all those things taken into account, the end date was something like 7 months ago or suchlike.

Whatever happens, happy winter solstice to you all - whatever celebrations you observe at this time of year - and let's look forward to lengthening days again! 😉

And happy winter solstice to you too.

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Ah, yes the good old planet colliding with us... that one that is a mythical planet that nobody's ever seen. I'm sure our scientists would have seen it coming if it was.

Hi Giles

And would such scientists live to tell the tale .. :rolleyes:

So many things have happened to so called scientists that have lifted the lid on things that perhaps one shouldn't have . Even the scientists that didn't buy into global warming caused by CFC's were ridiculed ..

A man that died under suspicious circumstances who invented water powered energy .

A man that was part of the man made swine flu episode, just to name a few ..

It's also strange that so many so called sightings on two suns seen in the skies for years now are moments before saturated by chemtrails ... Ahh Chemtrails don't you just love em 🙂

x daz x

Well the dates all wrong anyway, as there's no proper accounting for the change of calenders from Julian to Gregorian, or leap years, or the fact that the gregorian calendar was calculated wrongly (as the catholic church recently admitted). I think with all those things taken into account, the end date was something like 7 months ago or suchlike.

Well, exactly. Calendars in all cultures are simply arbitrary - human attempts to count and calculate time, based on the natural phenomena (sun, moon, seasons) of just one planet in one solar system. I do happen to believe in God, but I don't believe at all that S/he reckons - or even knows - time as humans do, let alone makes decisions and takes action based on it! 😉 And for those who don't believe in any god or gods, that gives even less reason to suppose that (literally?) earth-shattering events must occur on predictable dates.

And happy winter solstice to you too.

Thanks! This is only my second-ever winter in Britain (I'm from Australia, hence the platypus avatar), and at this much higher latitude than I'm used to, I love the way there's far more of an obvious difference between the seasons. The low sun at this time of year produces beautiful light effects in the sky that I've never seen before. It's quite special. 🙂

Well, it's now 21/12/2012, and here we still are... of course, we haven't been through the entire day yet, so there's still time for the world to end. But I don't think I'll hold my breath waiting. :rolleyes:

One thing I keep wondering about, though: crazy though it is, there are people out there who are seriously convinced that today is the end. What I'm wondering is, how will they explain it away when nothing happens?

One suggestion I heard was that whoever carved the Mayan tablet simply ran out of space to write more calendar! In fact this day is a solstice, and the Mayans were very well up in things astronomical and astrological and measured time by astronomic markers. This is apparently the end of one of the cycles. Interpretation is up to the enquirer and it causes a lot of excitement if it is seen as the end - of what, exactly, is not explained so people always think the worst! The day doesn't end until midnight on the Pacific date line, but like you Charis I am not holding my breath - too much to do!

Whatever happens, happy winter solstice to you all - whatever celebrations you observe at this time of year - and let's look forward to lengthening days again! 😉

Charis

Happy Solstice/Christmas/Season/New Year to everyone.
Love, Light, Health and Happiness to you all :nature-smiley-008:

[url]TWIN SUN TWO SUNS 2012. - YouTube[/url]

x dazzle x

[url]TWIN SUN TWO SUNS 2012. - YouTube[/url]

x dazzle x

Calm down dear... it's only a sun dog. :p You can see the pale rainbow colours in the "second sun" quite clearly in the video. If conditions were right, and the film maker had moved the camera an equal distance to the right of the "original" (i.e. real) sun, he most likely would have seen a THIRD "sun" - the other sun dog.

It's a natural phenomenon caused by ice crystals in the atmosphere - you can read here about how it happens: [url]Sun dog - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url] They are also known as "mock suns" or "phantom suns".

I saw a pair of sun dogs myself one afternoon a few months ago, while on a train in Wiltshire. They were a lovely sight, and as soon as I got home I did some research to find out what they are and how they occur. Oddly enough, though, there was no subsequent change - for better or worse - in my life, let alone in the rest of the world... not that I was expecting it. 😀

In any case, the sun has now crossed the international date line, so it's already 22nd December in New Zealand and other Western Pacific nations... and still nothing out of the ordinary has happened. :025:

Thanks! This is only my second-ever winter in Britain (I'm from Australia, hence the platypus avatar),

Ah, the beloved monotremata genus. 🙂

Robert M Pirsig quote:

Early zoologists classified as mammals those that suckle their young and as reptiles those that lay eggs ... then a duck-billed platypus was discovered in Australia laying eggs like a perfect reptile and then, when they hatched, suckling the infant ... The discovery created quite a sensation. What a mystery! What a marvel of nature! ... Even today you still see occasional articles in nature magazines asking ‘Why does this paradox of nature exist?’.

The answer is: it doesn’t. Platypi have been laying eggs and suckling their young for millions of years before zoologists declared it illegal. The real mystery is how mature, objective, trained scientific observers can blame their own goof on a poor innocent platypus.

Ah, the beloved monotremata genus. 🙂

Yes, platypuses are another ancient mystery, so to speak. Except, of course, to platypuses themselves. 😉 (It is true that when the first platypus specimen arrived in Britain from Australia, scientists pulled it apart looking for the stitches - they couldn't believe it wasn't some sort of clever fake.)

Calm down dear... it's only a sun dog. :p

Lol .. I am quite calm .. 😀

You can see the pale rainbow colours in the "second sun" quite clearly in the video. If conditions were right, and the film maker had moved the camera an equal distance to the right of the "original" (i.e. real) sun, he most likely would have seen a THIRD "sun" - the other sun dog.

It's a natural phenomenon caused by ice crystals in the atmosphere - you can read here about how it happens: [url]Sun dog - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url] They are also known as "mock suns" or "phantom suns".

I saw a pair of sun dogs myself one afternoon a few months ago, while on a train in Wiltshire. They were a lovely sight, and as soon as I got home I did some research to find out what they are and how they occur. Oddly enough, though, there was no subsequent change - for better or worse - in my life, let alone in the rest of the world... not that I was expecting it. 😀

In any case, the sun has now crossed the international date line, so it's already 22nd December in New Zealand and other Western Pacific nations... and still nothing out of the ordinary has happened. :025:

That's interesting claris thanks for adding . I hadn't heard of sun dogs . The phenomena quite rightly exists . This phenomena seems to occur / appear on the same horizon line .. and yet hundreds of sighting are not appearing on the same horizontal line .

There is supposedly an observatory at the south pole that is monitoring the so called 2nd sun . Also an observatory in hawaii has shown footage of the two separate suns/planets revolving around the earth (that are not horizontally in line) .

x dazzle x

There is supposedly an observatory at the south pole that is monitoring the so called 2nd sun . Also an observatory in hawaii has shown footage of the two separate suns/planets revolving around the earth (that are not horizontally in line) .

Honestly... if another actual sun had somehow entered our solar system or even come close to it, we'd all know about it by now.

I don't have time to look up every report of a supposedly unexplained celestial phenomenon (and why do they all seem to be on very unprofessional-looking websites?). Nor do I have the time, or the stomach, for conspiracy theories, especially ones relating to professional scientists and their work.

If there really was a new object in the sky - not just a trick of the atmosphere or something else that could easily be explained - we would all know about it. If it were close enough to affect the Earth - let alone heading for us - we'd all be able to see it by now (not just a handful of people in unspecified remote observatories). And astronomers would have seen it at least a decade ago.

Here's something from NASA (though I'm sure they too are all part of the great cover-up :rolleyes:):

[url]NASA - 2012 ? A Scientific Reality Check[/url]

The predictions of doomsday or dramatic changes on December 21, 2012 are all false. Incorrect doomsday predictions have taken place several times in each of the past several centuries. Readers should bear in mind what Carl Sagan noted several years ago; "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

For any claims of disaster or dramatic changes in 2012, the burden of proof is on the people making these claims. Where is the science? Where is the evidence? There is none, and all the passionate, persistent and profitable assertions, whether they are made in books, movies, documentaries or over the Internet, cannot change that simple fact. There is no credible evidence for any of the assertions made in support of unusual events taking place in December 2012.

Honestly... if another actual sun had somehow entered our solar system or even come close to it, we'd all know about it by now.

I don't have time to look up every report of a supposedly unexplained celestial phenomenon (and why do they all seem to be on very unprofessional-looking websites?). Nor do I have the time, or the stomach, for conspiracy theories, especially ones relating to professional scientists and their work.

If there really was a new object in the sky - not just a trick of the atmosphere or something else that could easily be explained - we would all know about it. If it were close enough to affect the Earth - let alone heading for us - we'd all be able to see it by now (not just a handful of people in unspecified remote observatories). And astronomers would have seen it at least a decade ago.

Here's something from NASA (though I'm sure they too are all part of the great cover-up :rolleyes:):

I agree claris there must be hundreds of dodgy sites that pertain this and that in regards to earths impending demise .

My individual connection with cover ups so to speak have been ongoing for nearly 10 years now, only through spirit connection have I been drawn to certain organisations like the majestic 12 who I had never heard of and government reports like the french 'cometa' to which I had never heard of also . A spell of deceased cosmonauts/astronauts stepped forward, past spy ring members caught up in the cold war, past leaders/heads of CIA, MI5 etc, it has been an interesting time ...

There was talk of maldek?? Never heard of it I said to myself .. Apparently maldek is an old name linked with the missing planet / planet x / planet niburu .

This is just one aspect of communications / visions had, some may call them all a load of balloney or all just conspiracy theories, but I am not swayed by what information that I am given if you understand me .. I wasn't interested in whom did what to whom in the 50's and 60's but they seemed to have an interest in me . lol

I would say in regards to NASA and for those that are up to scratch on this side of things is that they are just a front or a smokescreen ..

There was a documentary not long ago that had experts speaking of the moon landing and in these original photos there were so many things pointing to it being a hoax .. There were footprints on the moons surface prior to their first steps on it hahah there were various shadows casted by them from angles where shadows would not fall (because of the suns position) .. It was one thing after another similar to the experts that spoke about the events of 9/11 and how under scrutiny nothing stacked up ..

We could go on and on about vaccines, chemtrails, fossil fuels, global warming, Finance, flouride in the water suppy .. etc, etc .. The list is endless ..

x daz x

Pssst... Daz, it's "Charis" not "Claris" 😉

Came across this on Facebook 🙂

Came across this on Facebook 🙂

I'm using this at the mo as my FB profile picture. Been waiting months to stick it up on the 21st :rolleyes:

The circular calender in the picture reminds me of an Oreo biscuit 😉

But all jokes aside. Each to his or hers own, but life is still the same. It has it's ups and downs, "good" periods and "bad". Potential for change is always here to be tapped in at anytime. You can make any thing you like out of anything. Alignments and "cosmic" events are just human-made preceived associations. If it helps to aid someone to a deeper state of conscious, all well and good. But why wait for spiritual fads and fashions?

To me 21/12/2012 is one of those spiritual fads and fashions. As far as I understand, this 2012 business came from Terence McKenna. In a nutshell he had a drug-induced "vision" where he modified the maths of the Mayan long count to coincide with 21/12/2012. So all this 2012 stuff is an industry developed by westerners. This why I'm not bothered by it. I'm not going to base my life on a prediction by the rantings of drug-crazed author in the 1970's.

Life being ironic, at least the Mayan Prophecies has brought to the intention of the world that the Mayan's still exist in central America. They are fighting for their human rights against goverment and corporate forces. That's hope justice will prevail and the Powers-That-Be will stop exploiting these people.

It will probably be as eventful as the Millennium Bug!

I think even less so! 😀

Pssst... Daz, it's "Charis" not "Claris" 😉

Hahaa Well spotted Gilies, Sorry Claris 😮 I mean Charis 🙂

x das x

Hahaa Well spotted Gilies, Sorry Claris 😮 I mean Charis 🙂

x das x

That's OK, it's not my real name anyway 😉