do you think that non meat eaters are more healthy?and inside younger? comments please[&:]
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I think thats one that I couldnt answer, how can you compare. I know plenty of people who when starting a veggie diet, substitute meat for cheese and loads of cheese. basically they just eat crap.
I also know people who eat a very healthy diet at home and then when in work just lose the plot and its crisps and sweets everywhere.
In my time, Ive eaten meat, not eaten meet I feel better the less meat I eat but I also try and eat a balanced diet with plenty of fruit and veg.
You will get very healthy meat eaters and very unhealthy veggie and vice versa.
I will also say that I believe how people eat and how healthy they are may have more to do with disposable income than veggie/non veggie.
Pauline
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you are spot on,thanks pauline[8D]
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i think it depends on the diet too... and also on attitude.
i've been non-meat since 1994, and all-plant since 1996, and this is my experience.
*in general* it's healthier to eat the components of plant foods, rather than animal foods... *in general*. As long as comparing the same level of food... like animal-based fastfood to plant-based fastfood, or animal-based natural foods to plant-based natural foods.
Plant carbohydrates, compared to animal fats and animal proteins. And also consider that animals have accumulated pesticides (from feed they have eaten many pounds of to produce each pound of meat) and also often haveeven growth hormones.
After a fatty, or high-protein meal, my body would normally feel sluggish and a bit cloudy. After a meal of organic fresh fruit, i feel awake and energetic. A fatty meal will put a lot of lipids in the bloodstream... that will slow down circulation, and allow for less nutrients to absorb into the blood, and also allow for less cellular toxins to be removed by the blood.
When we drink water, we generally feel more awake and refreshed.
The foods we eat literally become out body... so if we eat fats, those fats are digested and build into our growing body.
The body is just a biological-machine, and whatever we put into it affects how well the machine runs. The name of the food doesn't matter... it's the components of the food that matters.
as for general healthiness...
According to the [link= http://www.eatright.org/cps/rde/xchg/ada/hs.xsl/advocacy_933_ENU_HTML.htm ]American Dietetic Association[/link]:
"Vegetarian diets offer a number of nutritional benefits, including lower levels of saturated fat, cholesterol, and animal protein as well as higher levels of carbohydrates, fiber, magnesium, potassium, folate, and antioxidants such as vitamins C and E and phytochemicals.
Vegetarians have been reported to have lower body mass indices than nonvegetarians, as well as lower rates of death from ischemic heart disease; vegetarians also show lower blood cholesterol levels; lower blood pressure; and lower rates of hypertension, type 2 diabetes, and prostate and colon cancer."
"Dietetics professionals have a responsibility to support and encourage those who express an interest in consuming a vegetarian diet."
Here are a few quotes from the American Dietetic Association's research paper (at the above link):
Heart Disease
...An analysis of five prospective studies involving more than 76,000 subjects showed that death from ischemic heart disease was 31% lower among vegetarian men compared with nonvegetarian men and 20% lower among vegetarian women compared with nonvegetarian women...
Cancers
...nonvegetarians had a 54% increased risk for prostate cancer and an 88% increased risk for colorectal cancer...
...Observational studies have found an association between high intake of dairy foods and calcium with increased risk for prostate cancer...
...Both red and white meat have been independently linked to increased risk for colon cancer...
Obesity
...Among Seventh-day Adventists (SDA), 40% of whom follow a meatless diet, vegetarian eating patterns have been associated with lower body mass index (BMI). In the Adventist Health Study, which compared vegetarians and nonvegetarians within the Adventist population, BMI increased as the frequency of meat consumption increased in both men and women...
Gallstones
...In a study of 800 women aged 40 to 69 years, nonvegetarians were more than twice as likely as vegetarians to suffer from gallstones...
Diabetes
...among men in the Adventist Health Study, risk for diabetes was still 80% higher in nonvegetarian men after adjustment for weight. In men, meat consumption was directly associated with increased risk of diabetes...
High Blood Pressure
...In one study, 42% o
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Hi everyone,
I feel sure that a vegetarian diet is the way to go. Animals produced in their billions just to slaughter is startling and must prick everyones conscience. But I know lots of vegetarians and they , by and large, don't seem to enjoy the resistance to ailments that you would expect. I eat a balanced diet, lots of fresh vegatables, chicken and I adore fish, and red meat perhaps once a month. Two weeks ago I had my first steak in over three years and I really enjoyed it. I love salads and can only eat fruit if it is in a fresh fruit salad. And I am lucky, I am never ill - touch wood - and am not even registered with a doctor, I don't see the point since I never go. I don't get colds, flu or anything.
What I will say about health and being younger inside. The best way to look young is to develop your spirituality. Enjoying life is the best way to stay young 😀
Best wishes
Publisher
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Hi Paul,
It also depends on the make-up of a person. Some people are unable to adopt a wholly vegetarian diet. I was a vegetarian for five years, and I became very ill. It was discovered that the diet did not suit me.
Protein intake is important, for it keeps up the blood sugar levels. Whatever form the protein takes, is immaterial.
Love,
Patsy.
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After my body being on an all-plant diet for 10 years, my health is fab. I never get sick, and the last time I went to my doc for a check-up he said that he wished all his patients were as healthy as me. He even did some extra tests on me to see how deeply my body was healthy.
One giant factor is attitude, and spirituality, at least what I found.
At times i was eating the junkiest food, if i was very happy and optimistic, then i 'felt' good.
And at times I was eating very healthy, but if I was under a lot of stress, or had doubts or fears about my diet, then I'd feel drained of energy.
I know this because I can see the change in my health, while being on the same diet. I recently had a ton of stresses and my energy was drained, and my attention was poor. After these stresses are resolved, now I am back to feeling energetic and awake and clear. My diet was the same so that wasn't the cause... my attitude and my thoughts was the biggest difference.
Placebo pills work... where people with illnesses will heal faster simply because they believe that they are being given a drug that will heal them... when that 'drug' is actually a fake pill.It works because of the giant influence that our beliefs and attitude have on our bodies. It's incredible when i really stop and think about what it means 🙂
When I first stopped eating eggs and dairy, I felt lacking of nutrition, and I fixed it by eating more peanut butter. Now I eat about 70% fresh organic fruits, and the rest is cooked grains mostly... I don't pay any attention to exact foods in my diet.. no looking at protein, fat, carb amounts... and good health just happens to me naturally. I think my body adjusted, and also my mind.
I think attitude and spirituality (not neccessary areligion) is the one of the most important factors to being physically healthy
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I'm 47 and people say I look 10 years younger. i've always had great skin - I think it's genetic. I'm fit and well and a meat eater.
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great for you 🙂
I get taken for being younger, but I'll have to ask how much younger. I'm 32, so it would be hard to be taken for 10 years younger... that would be a drop from 32 to 22
To the original poster of this thread, I thought it'd be helpful to note something, or ask. Are you wanting to get an idea of a general overall comparison of people with diets with, and without meat? This is the idea I got. If so then the bestmeasure of general overall comparison is likely large comparisons,scientific studies... rather than individual personal experiences that can be far from the norm.
If so, the American Dietetic Associations findings are worth something here. Those results were found after comparing thousands of people, in many studies, over a period of many years. ..While there can be several people in poor health on plant-based diets, or many people in excellent health on omnivore diets, their results show the general comparison, that overall people with diets of less or no meat, have better health (as measured by less disease, illness, and signs of internal imbalances (ie. high blood pressure). And some of the differences are huge, percent-wise.
5 studies, involving more than 76,000 people found that the vegetarian men had 31% less deaths from a certain type of heart disease. it shows the overall general comparison of the majority.
Also, in that same group there are also likely some meat-eating men who had excellent hearts, and some vegetarian men who did die from that heart disease.
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Hi Jonjan - I agree that the stats show a general trend for vegetarians to be more healthy than omnivores. I'm sure there must be a genetic component to health and appearance (I agree that as you get older a decade in years is less significant - but in my mid to late twenties and even though I'd had a baby at 23 I was still being questioned about my age in some pubs in my late twenties ) but not smoking, not going out in the sun too much and not drinking too much alcohol are also important components in maintaining good skin.
But the main thing that I want to say is that vegetarians are almost inevitably going to be more concerned about their health in general. You would need a longituninal study of a reperesentative sample of v's versus o's who were equally concerned with their health to get a real idea of which diet is superior. It's an interesting subject. I was talking to my Dad (71) today who was remembering that when he first started work he would be sent out to buy bread and dripping (ie beef dripping - the fat and the jellied juices) for his work mates, who ate it with so much salt that you'ld hear the crunch as they munched . Presumably they died young. Dad was saying awareness of animal fats being bad for the heart dates back at least 40 years, which explains why I never ate bread and dripping, I suppose.
Good stuff to ponder over.
Sharon.
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Hi Sharon,
Don't get me wrong... I was saying that you being taken for 10 years less is a great thing... and that I can't yet 'compete' :). But... I will let you know... after another 15 years ; )
the beef and drippings is interesting. My times of greatest challenge were probably when I was a teenager and eating McDonalds quarter pounder's with cheese. I loved the taste of them, even though the bottom bun was usually half-way soaked with greese. AndMcD's just recently had an advertising campaign to get attention on their salads. And BK has their veggie burger. The health awareness, and culture is surely changing..
That's very true about needing to look at studies that compare 'apples to apples'. One can't compare ahealth-nut vegetarian who doesn't drink or smoke, and jogs every day, and works at work, is tough to compare to a omnivore who drinks, smokes, and gets very little exercise.
I believe most, or all, of the ADA studies would have had to be matched for lifestyles and other factors, especially since their in peer-reviewed journals. I'm checking that one...
[link= http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/70/3/516S ]http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/70/3/516S[/link] The authors did adjust for "age, sex, and smoking status" Exercise and a few other factors could make a big difference. Even with the limitations of studies, I have to say I don't recall seeing any studies saying that eating more animal foods is a healthy step... it seems that almost all studies about animals foods, is about 'less' 'animal foods' being healthier. Either "less" or "moderation".
Two other meta-studies, the best I'd found add in here..
One standard set of nutritional guidelines will be published in the July 27, 1999, issue of Circulation: The Journal of the American Heart Association.
The unified guidelines will likely reduce the risk of many chronic diseases related to diet and physical activity, including heart disease and cancer—the first and second causes of death in the US , Dr. Bloch said. The guidelines have been approved by the nation's top health organizations: the ACS (American Cancer Society) , the American Heart Association, the American Dietetic Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and the National Institutes of Health.
- eat a variety of foods;
- choose most of what you eat from plant sources;
- eat five or more servings of fruit and vegetables each day;
- eat six or more servings of bread, pasta, and cereal grains each day;
- eat high-fat foods sparingly, especially those from animal sources;
- keep your intake of simple sugars to a minimum.
Nearly five decades of research have proven the wisdom of those guidelines, Dr. Bloch added. However, not all Americans are following them. An estimated one-third of the annual 500,000 cancer deaths in the US is related to an unhealthy diet.
[link= http://www.cancer.org/docroot/NWS/content/NWS_1_1x_Unified_Dietary_Guidelines.asp ]http://www.cancer.org/docroot/NWS/content/NWS_1_1x_Unified_Dietary_Guidelines.asp[/link]
and the other one is...
The following is the "Advice to Individuals" presented in the report, Food, Nutrition and the Prevention of Cancer: A Global Perspective. Based on an analysis of more than 4,500 research studies, these guidelines present some of the best advice currently available on actions to take for lower cancer risk.
Seven Things To Do Now For Lower Cancer Risk . . .
[blockquote]
1 . . .Choose a diet rich in a variety of plant- based foods.
2 . . . Eat plenty of vegetables and fruits.
3 . . . Maintain a healthy weight and be physically active.
4 . . . Drink alcohol in moderation, if at all.
5 . . . Select foods low in fat and salt.
6 . . . Pr
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Hey Jonjan, thanks forsharing all those findings.
I had a look at your web-site and it's interesting to see the information about the athletes.
Have you looked into blood groupings and different dietary needs at all?
I completely agree with the swing away from junk food and cheap, abundant, and poor quality meat. It's not necessary when there are other good and cheapfoods out there. We don't eat a great deal of red meat in my household, but there are times when my bodydemands a steak and dark green veg - about once a month or so. (I'm blood type O which fits in with the blood group theory that the Os evolved as hunters. I wonder what blood-type your vegan athletes are?)
Good health.
Sharon
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in a nutshell, no, i do not feel any better for not eating meat!![:@]
i gave up eating meat a few months ago as i noticed for a long time that i was eating very little anyway and in addition found it hard to digest because of IBS , especially chicken.
although my diet isn't totally balanced, i don't live exclusively on junk! i am conscious what i do eat and try to keep a balance of the good and bad food-for example i've switched to wholemeal bread, drink mainly water, high protein foods such as chickpeas etc. i've yet to feel the benefits of it though!
as quite a few people have already said, its all about the balance, be it a diet which includes meat or not-its a lifestyle choice purely made by the individual and should therefore be respected.:D
warm wishes- calla lily x
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ORIGINAL: calla lily
in a nutshell, no, i do not feel any better for not eating meat!![:@]
as quite a few people have already said, its all about the balance, be it a diet which includes meat or not-its a lifestyle choice purely made by the individual and should therefore be respected.:D
hi calla lily,
respect is a given i think. I live by doing the best I can, and moving in directions that feel like improvements...and supporting others in doing whatever they feel is the best.:)
Be honest with myself, be fearless in learning, and do my best, and support others in doing their best 🙂
I'm sorry to hear you didn't have a good experience with it.
A first thought is did you allow your body time to cleanse itself and adjust? Our bodies get used to regularly producing strong digestive juices to digest the regular animal foods. And as we eat less or none, also out bodies start a process of cleaning out the accumulated fats and pesticides and other toxins... so at first you can feel worse because these are being dealt with, and it takes a stress on your body during the cleaning process.
One thing that helps, during the cleaning process and afterwards too, is fruits and fresh juices (preferably fresh, but pasteurized is still good). For an extreme clean-up, if you live off of juice for a few days, you'll clean out much faster (and also shed some extra fatty cells. I lived off fresh home-made juice for 2 weeks and dropped about 10 pounds of fat off my stomach. And during the same period I increased my jogging distance by 6 times:) I was honestly amazed, I had assumed that a juicing period would leave me weak)
During the change, fruits are helpful too since they are much easier to digest and are live (still have active enzymes and their molecules are not degraded by cooking). Beans and grains have a lot of protein, and nuts too, but your body might benefit from more foods that are easier to digest during the clean-out.
Jon
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spinal music,
i'm glad you found my webpage interesting 🙂 It took a lot of time to create, so I'm super happy whenever I get feedback on it. I was amazed by the athletes also. When I first gave up meat, I had some small concerns about health, but the change didn't seem that big. When I gave up eggs and dairy, I had a lot of concerns... and then I started finding people with unbelievable endurance or muscle bulk andperforming better than anybody else. It makes me really wonder, what is it the human body really needs, to have excellent health... it's definitely not the Food Pyramid. There's even a Vegan Food Pyramid, and that's not the ideal.
There is a person, Richard Blackman. He eats mostly fruits,which might seem deficient. However, he can bench press 305 pounds, do 1900 push-ups in an hour, and do 420 chin-ups in an hour (lifting his 170pound body). Here is a photo of his body... [link= http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/imgs/viewer.php?file=big2.jp g" target="_blank">
http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/imgs/viewer.php?file=big2.jp g"/> &dir=Big%20Bwii[/link] Incredible, and from mostly fruits.Obviouslythose muscles, heart, etc don't require the Food Pyramid, Vegan Food Pyramid, Mediterranean Diet, or any of the other secrets to health. So it makes me wonder... what exactly are the things that are needed for excellent health? Academic reseach on health keeps moving towards.. less animal foods, more plant foods, and also less food in total. Of course attitude and beliefs is a huge factor, as in McDougall's diet (all-plant, stress management, and exercise, which was found to reverse coronary artery disease, published in peer-reviewed scientific journals. What was always said to be impossible, was proven to be easy to do) So... what else seems impossible, but really is possible? 🙂
My blood is A positive (maybe why I did well in school.. A+ [&:]). I haven't seen or looked for any info about what blood types the top all-plant athletes are. I haven't seen it discussed anywhere
Jon
add: This is a link to an interview with Richard Blackman about his fruitarian diet and health
[link= http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/article/775 ]http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/article/775[/link] He's exploring Breatharianism, which can sound totally deficient... but as with other past assumptions about diet, we'll learn more if we have fewer assumptions about limits, and are more openminded.. even to things opposite to our current beliefs. Very freeing and fascinating.
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hi jon [sm=wave.gif]
even though i haven't felt any different, i haven't gone back to eating meat even though at times it has been veryyyyy tempting ! thank you for sharing your wealth of information and useful suggestions[sm=hug.gif] , my body could do with a really good detox :D. i think i would only be able to do a 24 hour juicing one as i'm one of these people that have to eat at certain times in order to control the " blood sugar shakes" plus i haven't got much "meat" on me to start with ( pardon the really dodgy pun, but i couldn't resist![sm=rollaugh.gif]) so i wouldn't feel the benefits weight wise unfortuantely!
regarding your question of adjustment, you could well be right as now i think about it, i've been getting indigestion type pains far more frequently which coincides around the time i gave up meat. hopefully this will lessen as time goes on.
how i term the use of the word " respect" is to liken it to one of my closest friend's approach to vegetarianism-although they don't , and haven't eatenmeat for many years, their partner and children are meat eaters. i remember having a conversation with them where the subject of them being a vegetarian came up and they said that whilst they don't eat meat, they haven't expected or insisted that their partner/children follow suit or banned meat from the shopping list as it is such a personal decision. i'm the same with my children, all the time they wish to eat meat, then i'm happy for them to do so . if that makes me a hypocrite or irresponsible, the latter being that i am responsible for what they eat in regard of doing the shopping, then so be it but for me, its all about having the choice and letting them come to their own decisions on this particular aspect.:D
please don't think i'm attacking you in any way or have got up on the proverbial soap box[sm=soapbox.gif]as that is not my intention, this is how i perceive and define the term respect when it comes to the topic of meat vs no meat.
warm wishes- calla lily x
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Hi jon, thanks I took a look - he's got great lats and unusual pecs! I don't know about the breatharian thing: it looks to me as if it's the sort of diet that you find youself living on barely anything at all, and then you die - there was thatwoman in Scotland who did just that.
I've found a link for you on Blood type diets [link= http://www.drlam.com/blood_type_diet/ ]http://www.drlam.com/blood_type_diet/[/link]
According to this theoryAs are natural veggies. Os need their meat.
Sharon.
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I'm just reminded of how my sister, also an O, went vegetarian for about 3 years and found it a real struggle. She went back to eating meat and then, against all advice, including mine, went on the Atkins diet. I think it's a barmy diet, and seems completely against all accepted advice such as you have shared with us. But you should see my sister - talk about good skin - she glows with health.She didn't lose much weight, mind you, butI don't see how you can when you eat that much. She doesn't stick to it completely rigidly, but she hasvery little starchy carbs: she doeseat fruit and veg.
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In this months Peta magazine someone has asked the medic on there 'Are Meat eaters at a higher riskfor developing bowel cancer?'
His reply ' According to a study men who ate 3 ounces of meat aday and women who ate just 2 ounces a day increas their risk of colon cancer by 29%.
Colon cancer, he goes on to say, is one of the Uk's biggest killers-colon cancer is the second -largest cause of cancer deaths in the Uk.
He thinks its all to do with the human anatomy. unlike true carnivores, such as lions and tigers who have ashort straight intestines, humans hav long twisted digestive tracts very much like our vegetarian cousins orangutans and gorillas. the long and windng road is ideal for breaking down fibrous fruits and vegetables but its notso great at rapidly ejecting meat. Which insteadhangs around and fosters the production ofcancer causing chemicals.
just about any meat s loaded with saturated fats that The American Cancer Society believs its linked to cancers of the colon and the rectum. Preserved meats such as cured ham, hot dogs, bacon, pepperoni are major culprits in colorectal cancers.
He goes on to suggest 'dump meat from your diet. Youll also be perotecting yourselves from heart disease, diabetesand strokes'.
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hi calla lilly 🙂 [sm=wave.gif]
i'm glad that you're still trying out meat-free... since I think chances are great that you will be very glad you did... once your body has time to adjust and clean-out..
A good clean-out helps anyone mostly... My diet for instance, is about 70% fresh organic fruit, and the rest is mostly organic cooked grains and some raw nuts, and some misc. foods. After a day or 2 of eating very little, or eating 90%+ wet fruits (like mangos, melon, apples, pears, berries, etc..as opposed to drier (or more fatty) bananas or avacados), my body will start to get rid of mucus (sorry for the details :b ). My body will start to bring up thick muscus, that I can either 'hock' up and spit out (never in public tho!) , or swallow and let it hopefully go through the digestive system and be expelled. This stops after a day or 2, and I'll feel generally 'cleaner', less 'blocked up'... it reminds me how it felt to have a cold and have that 'blocked up' feeling go away.. both in my throat and nose and also my head feeling a bit 'loggy'.. and then it clearing up.
If i have some days which are like 30%+ of cooked foods, then my body will start to feel that logginess and blocked-up feeling. If i continue to eat a lot of cooked foods, then that loggy and blocked-up feeling starts to become normal, and i start to not be aware of it. But if i've been eating that way, and then i start 80-90% fresh fresh fruits again, then the clean-out process starts, and i realize that i had been partially blocked-up.
But when I eat about 80%+ fresh organic fruits for a while, then i just have the 'cleared up' feeling all the time, and my body doesn't bring up any phlegm or mucus. The only time i'll feel 'blocked' or 'loggy' is if my blood is moving slow (not enough exygen to mr. brain), or if i'm having emotional/mental/spiritual stress, or if my body is tense.
...I do feel, from experience, that it's about comparisons. Like if I was always eating giant cheesesteaks with beef drippings and extra cheese, i think my body would start a small clean-out process if i changed a large % of my diet to cooked rice... or even to chicken.
Like before, so much oils and fats and proteins (and growth hormones and pesticides) were going in my body, that they start accumulating. But if I'd start eating a large percent of chicken (less fat and oil) or rice, then my body would be able to clean-out some of the fat and toxins from the other food. So I think that this cleaning-out can happen with any diet... it doesn't have to require juicing or eating all fresh organic fruit....
....So no matter what a persons diet is... there is a gradual step of a less-fatty, less-oily, less-animal protein, less-cooked diet... that will start the body to start a clean-out.For somebody who is eating cheesesteaks with extra cheese and bacon.. going to an all-fruit diet would start a massive clean-out... but it would also be a drastic one. More slow and gradual, but steady, changes... allow the body to adjust gradually... without causing a lot of discomfort and a flood of toxins to process and get rid of.
So we can all makesmall gradual changes to feel [sm=1syellow1.gif]no matter what our diet... and we can also feel even more good by continuing to make more gradual changes. At least this is what i've noticed and experienced. 😀
I'll bet you a barrel of fruit that after a time of cleansing, those "blood sugar shakes" will reduce.
And from my experience of juicing... my body will drop weight fast, and then it will stabilize around what seems like an ideal weight for it. It gets very lean, no excess fat, and then the weight loss stops. Since I could increase my jogging distance so much while juicing, it see
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ORIGINAL: spinal music
Hi jon, thanks I took a look - he's got great lats and unusual pecs! I don't know about the breatharian thing: it looks to me as if it's the sort of diet that you find youself living on barely anything at all, and then you die - there was thatwoman in Scotland who did just that.
I've found a link for you on Blood type diets [link= http://www.drlam.com/blood_type_diet/ ] http://www.drlam.com/blood_type_diet/ [/link]
According to this theoryAs are natural veggies. Os need their meat.--------
I'm just reminded of how my sister, also an O, went vegetarian for about 3 years and found it a real struggle. She went back to eating meat and then, against all advice, including mine, went on the Atkins diet. I think it's a barmy diet, and seems completely against all accepted advice such as you have shared with us. But you should see my sister - talk about good skin - she glows with health.She didn't lose much weight, mind you, butI don't see how you can when you eat that much. She doesn't stick to it completely rigidly, but she hasvery little starchy carbs: she doeseat fruit and veg.
hi sharon,
The blood type website is interesting. I emailed the address and asked for more information on how they determined which foods were matched for each blood type. I also asked if the tests suggested that some blood-types 'need' animal-foods, and I gave them my webpage and asked if they can compare it to what they've already learned. I'll post back whatever they say 😀
That's interesting about your sister on Atkins. 2 of my mom's friends tried it and both of them started developing serious health problems after a few months.. I forget how many months. One of themstarted to get intestinal problems requiring rushing to the bathroom frequently, and she felt pretty bad in general. How long has your sister been on it? And how much does she eat non-Atkins food? If she's eating some carbs and fruits and veggies, then maybe her diet is more 'omnivore' than 'Atkins'?
For sure is that our bodies have morework to digest proteins and fats, and excess proteins and fats take a toll on the body's circulatory system, and the cells connected to it. A high level of lipidsin the blood, makes the blood cloggy, and reduces the amount of nutrients that can fit in to get to cells... and reduces the amount of toxins that can leave cells and be transported to get expelled from the bod. So it seems that excess fats and protein neccessarily hinder the bodies functioning. The studies all point to that direction. Maybe there are bodies that are overall healthy, so they can handle the excess fats and proteins for a while. With those bodies, my first thought is... "would they be even healthier on a diet with less animal-foods and less fats?" Just like if a heavy smoker lives to be 90... it would seem likely that they'd have been in even better health, and lived even longer, without the smoking.
...less substances that interferewith the normal circulatory&cellular functioning of the body, and less work (wear&tear) by foods that are easier to digest, and less wear&tear by less toxin-cleaning needed... lets the body run lean and smooth.
With the blood circulation, which gets all the nutrients needed to all the cells in our body... let it be clean so it can transport the nutrients and take away the toxins. With lung circulation... let it be free of particulates that can block the transfer of oxygen, and expelling of CO2, or particles that can irritate the lung tissue or cause mucus or fluid. The body is one amazingly complex intricate fascinating machine.. very resilient,
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Hi Jon and thank you for another interesting reply - I've got a book on blood tupes somewhere but I never researched it that much. I'll have a look too.
My sisterhas been on this diet for about 4 to 5 years. Now she eatsa bowl of blueberriesand double cream for breakfast, lunch might be different cheeses, hams, salami, and dinner will be meat/fish and veg.EDIT TO ADDWhen we wree on holiday she had a tuna steak for lunch everyday with two eggs on the top and some salad on the side. So what she doesn't eat is bread, potatoes, pasta, rice etc. She's expensive to keep!
Iam interested in the power of breathing to nourish the emotional and physical system: I use breath in Pilates, and stress relief. I am quite convinced that breathing properly is fundamental to good health.
Sharon
RE: ARE NON MEAT EATERS HEALTHIER AND HAVE BETTER SKIN?
Hi Jonjan,
Like Sharon, I cannot be totally vegetarian. I was a vegetarian for five years, and I became extremely ill, even after careful planning of meals. My husband was a vegetarian who wouldn't have meat in the house. Anyway, after aperiod of feeling extremely tired and unwell, I visited the doctor. At the time I was going through a divorce and had suffered a major bereavement, and I put this tiredness down to that. My doctor took a blood sample. When I went back for the results, he asked me if I was vegetarian, and I told him I was. He told me that vegetarianism is not suited for my blood group (O+) and that I should eat meat immediately. It was very, very diffcult Jonjan, but I did it. My doctor told me that my blood count was extremely low and that I had been 'close to death.'
Apparently, our blood groups evolved according to our environment and lifestyle. Hunter-gatherers had O groups, because of the prevalence of meat. It wasn't until man became farmers that the rarer blood groups evolved and why people with rare blood groups are more suited to a vegetarian lifestyle.
Our blood groups and evolution are ignored at our peril, and trying different diets or excluding a major food group may be doing us more harm than good. However, I don't eat that much meat now. As long as I have a little, that keeps me well. It is always best to check with a doctor before any radical change of diet. We are not all the same.
Love,
Patsy.
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thank you for your reply jonjan [sm=hug.gif]and i'm intrigued to how the juicing method can stabilise blood sugar- i know from personal experience that if i were to drinka pure fruit juice, then it takes the edge of the shakes, but in order to stop them completely, i have to go and eat something which is high in carbohydrates and calories so i'm a bit sceptical how the juicing would work long term in this respect.
warm wishes- calla lily x
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At the time I was going through a divorce and had suffered a major bereavement, and I put this tiredness down to that. My doctor took a blood sample. When I went back for the results, he asked me if I was vegetarian, and I told him I was. He told me that vegetarianism is not suited for my blood group (O+) and that I should eat meat immediately. It was very, very diffcult Jonjan, but I did it. My doctor told me that my blood count was extremely low and that I had been 'close to death.'Love,
Patsy.
Patsy and Sharon,
thank you for solidly mentioning about this. It certainly seems helpful to explore.. Being extremely ill is a clear sign to stop and find the cause and fix it. Hopefully we can help others to avoid becoming ill also..
I am checking on a vegetarian/vegan forum to see if there are any there who have successfully eliminated meat and stayed healthy.
While I'm waiting for their replies (if there are any), I did a search and found at least 1 reference to people who are type O and have been healthy and meat-free...
Out of curiosity, I did a survey of vegetarians and vegans to see what blood types they were and what their experience with the diet was like. In a survey of 76 people, 39 were Type O, their experiences were mostly positive, and there were no detectable differences in experiences between the various blood types. I'm also a Type O, healthy, athletic, 13-year vegan.
That was said by a Registered Dietitian. He said a little more also [link= http://www.veganoutreach.org/enewsletter/20020308.html ]http://www.veganoutreach.org/enewsletter/20020308.html[/link]
That Registered Dietition is the Director of a non-profit organization .. VEGAN OUTREACH(VO) is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization. VO is dedicated to reducing animal suffering by promoting a vegan lifestyle.
So it's wise to be openminded that his information could be biased.He does caution people to be careful that they are getting the nutrients they need, so he is a bit cautious. I've known about him for 10 years and have gotten the feeling that he is careful to be accurate and not overstate things, so I trust what he said. He can be emailed at
vegan at-symbol veganoutreach.org
But I'll also reply back and post a link on if I find any type O or O+ vegetarians at the other forum.
My first thought is wondering what the cause of a low blood count is. Like if someone has weak bones, it can be said that they are lacking dairy milk. But the deeper truth may be that they are lacking *calcium, and dairy milk is just one source... green leafy vegetables are another.
I do not know specifics about blood counts. I do wonder if it was anything that an iron supplement could help resolve.
Already as I've been typing this, a few people at the forum have replied and said they are type O or O+ One is O+ and says they've been vegetarian for 8 years and vegan for almost 3 years, and healthy. Another person says they've been a raised vegetarian and after 40 years is healthy...
[link= http://www.veggieboards.com/boards/showthread.php?p=1344796&posted=1#post1344796 ]http://www.veggieboards.com/boards/showthread.php?p=1344796&posted=1#post1344796[/link]
ADD: a lot more people have added to the thread that they're Type O and veg, and doing well. A few have already heard of the blood type diet idea too.
This might not explain how you had become so ill, but it may help us understand that at least some people who have type O blood can be healthy on a vegetarian diet..
Love .. back 🙂
Jon
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thank you for your reply jonjan [sm=hug.gif]and i'm intrigued to how the juicing method can stabilise blood sugar- i know from personal experience that if i were to drinka pure fruit juice, then it takes the edge of the shakes, but in order to stop them completely, i have to go and eat something which is high in carbohydrates and calories so i'm a bit sceptical how the juicing would work long term in this respect.
warm wishes- calla lily x
:):)
calla lilly, here's research that was published in Diabetes Care this month.. and reported in the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post...
People with Type 2 diabetes are advised to limit carbohydrates because of worries these foods could overtax the body's dwindling insulin production and lessen its ability to process glucose. Now some scientists are asking if a diet rich in healthful carbohydrates — whole grains, beans, fruit and vegetables — and with just 10% of calories as fat might be another option.
The idea borrows a lesson from heart disease research, which has shown that very strict vegetarian diets quite low in fat and very high in carbohydrates can help reverse blockages — if people stick with them.
May, Dr. Dean Ornish, a proponent of the very-low-fat approach for reversing heart disease, reported that this regimen helped people afflicted with both diabetes and heart disease. Not only did they lose weight, but their blood cholesterol improved and they didn't show a rise in unhealthy fats known as triglycerides, as some researchers feared. Another key finding: Twenty percent of participants who stuck with the diet for a year were either able to cut their insulin and other glucose-lowering medication or eliminate it.
Similar results were reported from a National Institutes of Health-funded study headed by David Jenkins of the University of Toronto and Neal Barnard of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, a pro-vegetarian group. The four-month trial studied 99 people with Type 2 diabetes. Some were asked to follow the standard dietary advice from the American Diabetes Assn. The others were asked to adhere to a very strict, low-fat vegan diet, devoid of meat, fish, eggs, dairy or any other animal products.
Both groups improved blood sugar control and LDL cholesterol levels. Both lost weight, but the vegan group shed an average of 15 pounds compared with 6 pounds for the group that adhered to the ADA guidelines. Like the Ornish study, the vegan group showed no harmful changes in either triglyceride levels or in high-density lipoprotein (HDL), a protective form of cholesterol. Results of the study were published in the August issue of the journal Diabetes Care.
[link= http://www.latimes.com/features/health/nutrition/la-he-lean31jul31,1,122155.story?coll=la-health-nutrition-news ]http://www.latimes.com/features/health/nutrition/la-he-lean31jul31,1,122155.story?coll=la-health-nutrition-news[/link]
That shows some of the effects of a low-fat plant-based diet, on the bodies ability to regulate blood sugar. Just like it used to be thought impossible to reverse coronary artery disease, and it was found possible (using stress management, exercise and a low-fat plant-based diet)... noweliminating the need for insulin is also being proven to be possible. 😀
If you are going to explore juicing, even replacing occassional meals with juice, I'd recommend fresh-made juice (not pasteurized), or evenbetter fresh *organic juice... if it's possible. Juicers are available for pretty cheap, and the fruit costs near the same asother foods.
Be cautious, but be open too. Expect to feel good changes, but also be aware if any big discomforts arise. For a while my stomach feels odd as it adjusts to not h
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Ok Jon, noted, and thanks for that.
Sharon.
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Hello Jonjan,
Thanks for that. I can't speak on behalf of others, but for me, a totally vegetarian diet did not suit me. I applaud those who can survive on it. I wish I could have done.
Love,
Patsy.
😀
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thanks you jonjan in kindly providing lots of information and links [sm=hug.gif], a few years ago i tested negative for type 2 diabetes but the shakes still remain.
because i am underweight to start with, coupled with being a parent then i will have to proceed with extreme caution with the juicing as a few pounds weight loss matters a lot to me as i find it very hard to put on weight to start with! also, whilst a few pounds may be beneficial to some people, for me it will be detremental (sp) so i feel it would be purely for occasional detox purposes only 😀
interestingly enough, i happen to be O+ and more or less feel the same but i'm wondering if this has something to do with a very gradual process of eating less and less meat unintentionally before i made a conscious decision to give it up altogether and also taking a multivitamin supplement which has my RDA of iron.
warm wishes- calla lily x
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Hello Jonjan,
Thanks for that. I can't speak on behalf of others, but for me, a totally vegetarian diet did not suit me. I applaud those who can survive on it. I wish I could have done.
Love,
Patsy.
😀
who said anything about "survive"... most of them are "thriving" 😀 if you see how most of them describe their health changes. 🙂
a diet of less animal protein might not be compatible with your body. it's smart to be cautious and take your of yourself. If you do wish it could work, then there are other options too.. such as making a more slow gradual change towards a plantfood diet as long as you feel well. And even without that there are cage-free, and organic, and free-range foods, that are a bit better for you and the animals. There's always options of howwe can help. And only we ourselves know our own situation and decisions. 🙂 I'm only here to share understanding, information and support in the hopes that some of it will be helpful 🙂
Jon