can anyone help? bladder stuff

Hiya

I've had waterworks problems since I was a very little girl (now nearly 50) and diagnosis was an extremely long process. I do share your frustrations.

Firstly, are you male or female? If you're male then there are other things to consider besides waterworks, such as prostate.

Secondly, how much do you drink? I've noticed younger people drink way, way more than I could even consider. If you drink 8 pints of water a day, and the human bladder holds about half a pint, then you tell me how many times you'll have to go to the loo!

Thirdly, don't drink anything after 7 or 8 at night. Alcohol is a diuretic anyway, so no more evenings on the wine!

Fourthly, with evidence of blood and pus in the urine, it's entirely possible you may have an underlying infection, in which case antibiotics would be indicated. You may get some relief from drinking cranberry juice, in which case I'd say dilute the stuff you get in cartons because it's quite acidic, I've noticed. But if the infection is in the kidneys, don't touch the stuff.

Yes get a second opinion. Say to the second doc, who will have the results in front of him/her, that you didn't understand what the first doc told you and could he/she explain please?

And finally, keep in touch and let us know how you get on.

this may help U

doctors advice on many problems including yours,
by the way blood in urine does Not always mean cancer there are a number of things check outon . channel4/health Embarrasing Bodies, web site,
there are short clips and printing advice

there is also another thing that has helped people like you,
don't eat or drink any fluid 2 hrs before you go to bed,
(This puts less pressure on your tum and helps you loose wieght)
all the best:)

This site may be of interest to you.

Lots of info about the special interstitial cystitis diet, what to avoid , self help tips and what treatments are available.

Hi rebelkemy,

I have a friend that I treat who has a similar bladder problem - not so much with peeing to much, more with pain in the area.

I don't know about the pus and the blood. I'd imagine that the pus could be from an infection, and the blood could be the result of the urine being too concentrated and effecting some cells around it. Certainly a second opinion would be good - also, remember the sample may not have thee same contents, the doctor would just read the results of the tests.

In terms of peeing too much - there are few things that can help:

1. Try ionized, micro-clustered water - and drink lots of it. Its very easy to drink, not heavy like tap water, it sort of disappears Microwater penetrates the cells much better to get to where it is needed - rater then straight out as with tap water. It also helps the body maintain alkaline balance, that prevents infections.

2. Try Celtic Sea Salt - the body can lose too much water if there is insufficient salt, or rather the right kind of salt in the body. Processing salt makes the Sodium 'heavy' and it can not flow as it should across membranes. Celtic sea salt is obtained by the natural evaporation of sea water and collected by hand. It looks a little grey, and you can get it in health shops under different brand names.

3. Try what are called 'Super Greens' - dried, wheat grass, barley grass and spirulina powders. These contain very potent nutrients that are also said to help alkalize the body, they are also a good source of Magnesium. Chlorophyll has a structure identical to blood, except that it has a Magnesium atom rather then Iron at the center.

hope you get better soon.

It sounds like you may have an infection and I'm surprised your doctor didn't persue this and prescribe antibiotics if this is the case. You're right in that the information out there is confusing and if you read too much, there are all sorts of things you could have! The symptoms of many of these conditions are pretty vague, like interstitial cystitis, irritable bladder, etc. You need to test for infection, keep up with the pelvic floor exercises - I've had clients with interstitial cystitis who believe that this is the single most helpful therapy -, watch your diet (try to keep it fairly bland) and don't overdo fluids. Plenty of fresh veg will give you much of the water you require and unless you are sweating (exercise or hot weather), about 1.5l is plenty. Remember though that part of this will probably psychological and habitual now. There is an alternative remedy - uva ursa - which you can get from the health food shop and is widely believed to help with infections of the urinary tract.

I'm very surprised that he wanted to refer you to a gynaecologist as they deal with the reproductive organs of which the bladder, of course, is not.

Rather, you would need to be referred to a urologist.

Hi,

Has your Gp ever actually ever sent a urine sample off for culture and sensitivity, so that if relevant, an appropriate antibiotic could be prescribed...Or have they just done a dip test?

Barbara x

urinary tract health

Hi, 🙂

Don't worry about urinary problem, and don't be shy because of I am doctor and I am facing this problem, as per my thought any one should face this problem. And I know Urinary tract infection is one of the common infectious health conditions, especially in females. The main cause responsible for development of urinary tract infection (UTI) is invasion of bacteria to urinary tract either through kidney bloodstream or through urethra. Due to natural body structure. women are on higher risk of getting urinary tract infection. About half of the women populations suffer from UTI at least once in their life span.
What every, here I want give the suggestion for because one of my friend also got same problem. now he fine, with help of this site.
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re-train your bladder

I have been working in this field for a few years, and I have found that there are definitely some mis-behaving bladders out there! Now, this thread is about someone with a seriously naughty bladder, and I will get to that in a moment. But lesson for all of us is coming up.

When we get a signal from our bladder - it is the first signal - the bladder is telling us that it is half-full. Say 'thank you for telling me' inwardly and then carry on what you are doing. In a few seconds, the signal will disappear. In about an hour, a second signal will come along that means the bladder is 3/4 full. Say thank you very much - I will go in a minute, and carry on. When the next signal comes - it might be quite a while later, you will be surprised, then you are nearly full. Do not start to run to the loo. Say thankyou very much, I will go in a minute. Wait for the signal to subside before you set off, then go. This way, you will not spoil your bladder. After an operation where a catheter has been used, you may have a very upset bladder, and you must re-train it back to normal.

This is not the case for this thread. This is much more difficult.
Now, when I was a little girl I used to get cystitis every now and again, and so did most of my friends. A sample was duly sent off to the GP surgery, and it usually came back negative, even though we all had severe discomfort for a while. It was a mystery. We all took the antibiotics and the pink medicine (mis-pot-cit) if I remember that far back! After a week or so, it went away, until the next time.

Occasionally one of us would have a positive test for bacteria, and the appropriate anti-biotic would be given. Otherwise the GP would just take a guess as to which antibiotic to prescribe.

Now, what was the cause of this cystitis? Many years later I discovered interstitial cystitis, and I was particularly interested in the Spa of Embarrassing Illnesses episode where there was an IC sufferer. One day, this IC lady was in bed, suffering from a migraine. She said that she was quite pleased because when she had a migraine, she did not have her IC.
The penny dropped! IC is a migraine of the bladder. Now, just to explain a little more. Migraine begins with a wave of neurological activity, a pulse of electricity that runs along a nerve and fires off into the head, causing pain, and the other symptoms of migraine. I later discovered that IBS research has shown a similar pattern. These waves of electricity can go along any nerve. They can end up in any organ, or any muscle. In fact, any nerve can be affected. Migriane people found that on some days, the wave could go to the bowel, or to the stomach, or to the shoulders, or the back.

I found that people who had migraine, also had cystitis from time to time, and they found that they could stop the waves of electricity firing off by using some simple techniques.

I began to wonder; Why is it that inflamation usually comes after a searing pain, and not usually before it? In the case of middle ear infection, the pain precedes the inflammation. It was always assumed that the infection had always been there, causing the pain, and when the inflammation came along it had simply spread from a hidden depth!

My theory is that the wave of neurological activity electrocutes the tissue, which causes the initial searing pain, and only after repeating this many times does the tissue become inflamed. At this point, bacteria can invade - long after the initial pain. It all fits.

As to why these waves of neurological activity start firing off in the first place is a mystery. It can certainly be instigated by triggers, as in the case of vertigo, migraine and IBS, but I have yet to learn more about cystitis. I know that as a child, if my feet got cold I might get a bout of cystitis. Food can cause IBS to fire off, and migraine too.

Its all food for thought. I would welcome any contributions you could make to this line of thought. Perhaps you have noticed some triggers?

update

Harro again everyone! Sorry I havn't replied sooner but I thought i would get an email when someone said something! I thought i was ignored! 🙁

Well The doc refered me to a "specialist" who made me fill out a chart with how much i drank and peed. I was peein about 100-250m every 3 hours on the dot 24/7. At this point I had given up caffiene and coke and other things that I heard could irritate your bladder and I noticed being stressed seems to make it worse. But still didn't seem to change from normal. I was drinking about 2 pints a day and an occasional mug of caffiene-free tea while i was doing the chart.

The doc sent a letter back after recieving the chart and told me to drink an extra pint of water a day (which there is no way in hell i could possibly do!) and told me to go back to the docs for some pills. The pills didn't sound to appealing as i already have dry skin as it is and dry eyes would prob mess with my contact lenses and just general bad side effects were lame.

So far I havn't gone back because I felt cheated or something. I decided to carry on with the "bladder training" and just to drink when I felt thirsty and to try not get stressed out.

I only get up about twice a night now and I can sit through a movie or two now without bursting every 5 mins. It is still annoying as hell and i feel it niggling all the time but I just try to distract myself and try not to stress about it.

But yeah I am a girl and have never drunk a lot of fluid anyways, I rarely drink alcohol because when I do i spend more time in the loo than i do at the bar! I dont know if I can be arsed with the docters anymore, they totally failed to diagnose my mums simple leg ulcer which after googling on the internet I found with ease. That could have been nasty if i didnt demand she go back where a mere nurse sorted her out.

Thanks for all the info though guys you have been awesome! 2 thumbs up! Really interesting stuff. Oh I also get headaches a lot sometimes i go through bad periods of them getting 1 migraine everyday almost. I usually have about 1 every week at the moment. But yeah cheers anyways!

I have found this thread so interesting, I have over the past twenty five+ years described to various people that my bladder and sometimes my bowel feel as if they have a very severe headache, the reason I have described it as this is the sudden intensity, the reaching of a creshendo, the somewhat 'acid need to urinate' but no pain on urinating all is calm - for about 10 mins and then WHAM- I once had a coloured jazzing in my peripheral vision of my eye - that scared me, but the sensation was the same as in my bladder, the optician told me it was a kind of migraine, so when I explained and likened this pain in my bladder to my GP she laughed, and said children complained of stomach ache when they had a headache (or was it the other way round). Sometimes it is better to never mention your thoughts to the medics! even the homeopath and herbalist thought I was 'nuts' - I have had many blood, urine, kidney tests all negative in infection, never any pus, or sugar.... I have also had pot.cit. antibiotics, uvi ursi, parsley, cranberry, apis - been there done the lot, oh yes even bladder washouts, all to no avail. I have learnt to live with it for twenty three years, thinking I was 'odd' then today I read this thread, and hey you wonderful person Olivia Roberts F. I am so interested, I did not reply earlier, I wanted to start to train my bladder today, I talked to it, and made it wait, I talked again and assured it that a reward would be given. Wow I do beleive I might get somewhere with this ( I had to wear a pad - just incase!). Thans so much
As a ps - I do find it worse if I have tea made in a metal teapot - any conection?

This is a really helpful thread!
I've been suffering with bladder problems for about twenty years.
My current preferred self treatments are the herb uva ursi which works well with infection and cornsilk with marshmellow leaves which soothes the bladder. I also use colloidal silver if things get really bad, diluted in drinking water.
Interestingly, i've had some success with stopping cranberry, i think it was making my urine overacidic which made the burning worse!
I wasn't having so much luck getting rid of a current bout of urethritis though, I have to be so careful with antibios so I'm avoiding them, but I'm trying homeopathy now and it really is helping! Cantharis usually knocks things on the head really quickly but not this time, i'm taking nit ac, fingers crossed!:-)
Any other suggestions anyone has for urethritis would be welcome! Thanks
Peace
pure-ki

Hello 3091 and pure-ki,

If you're up for talking to your bladder 3091, then have a think about the concept of your thinking patterns creating your experiences. Bladder problems can be related to anxiety and the holding onto old ideas. Frightened to let go? A mind/body connection thought to help with this sort of experience is "I comfortably and easily release the old and welcome the new into my life. I am safe".

Cheers