To end painful memories

Thanks for sharing this Judy. I am very pleased to read this.

It's true that real pain is minuscule...most of the pain is of .thinking, thoughts, mental recordings, memories. real pain and the ghost of pain. Therapist, trauma expert is dealing with the ghost only, not the real.

Real pain is minuscule. it is very real and intense yet it can be dealt with. It ends. But cerebral pain is self perpetuating. what can you do with cerebral pain? The therapist and the client enter a maze of cerebral thought sphere together and try and work their way through it, which is endless working. Because the therapist and client are both tethered to that cerebral space.

My experience with clients with deep and long standing conditions and melodies is that they are being called by their pristine nature, Pain and trauma is a catalyst for the person to discover their true nature and find the deepest reconciliation within. In that space cerebral suffering is surrendered to Real life. That is liberation from that memory.

It is only down to deep-seated ignorance of the therapist to ignore that simple fact and drown themselves and their clients in a world of analyzing and working through issues-everything is reduced to issues, problematic patterns to dig into, analyze and then trying to heal the person and all those issues.

It is a long winded, clunky and largely inefficient and at times even damaging to the person.

I approach deep and long standing conditions such as anorexia, ME, abuse, PTSD as the nudge of the REAL. I routinely see deep seated dysfunctionality melt away, even the memory of it. I never work directly on PTSD, ME, abuse...Never! They never seem to be the real cause of suffering. Suffering lies elsewhere. It seems to lie in the disconnect from one's true Self. That is where wholesomeness happens too.

Remembrance of one's true identity triggers a life-healing response. As the true nature pushes forth the mist of thought sphere, people find themselves unable to tune into and recall their darkest hurting wounds. The memory melts away too, not just the pain of it.

In the west, the therapy desperately requires a paradigm shift.

My experience with clients with deep and long standing conditions and melodies is that they are being called by their pristine nature, Pain and trauma is a catalyst for the person to discover their true nature and find the deepest reconciliation within. In that space cerebral suffering is surrendered to Real life. That is liberation from that memory.

In the west, the therapy desperately requires a paradigm shift.

Thanks for this Ruby - it's beautiful and I so agree. I've always felt that you and I are "singing from the same hymn sheet" - if you'll pardon the pun! :rolleyes:

The work you are doing is wonderful. We might use different words, but the principle behind them is the same. Reality is perfect.

One of my favourite testimonies concerns someone who cut their hand on barbed wire and the zig-zag shaped scar remained for over 20 years and she wore it like a trophy. However, during a Sunday School class she was questioned about why she still had a scar (after telling the children that God can heal anything)

I don't remember exactly what I said to the class that day, but when I went home that afternoon, I knew that I had to face the issue. Some people had scars that were causing them physical and emotional pain in their lives. I began to think that I needed to address the whole subject of scars and see that scars are never true about anyone's spiritual being—their nature as God's child.

And the article ends with:

That is about the last thing I remember about that afternoon—perceiving that my true identity, always known to God, had never been injured.

A matter of days—maybe a week—went by, when I looked down at my hand again. I hadn't thought of it since that afternoon I had prayed. The scar was completely gone. In fact, not even the little holes that the barb had left were there anymore...

From the Sept 23 2002 issue of the Christian Science Sentinel

Love and peace,

Judy

Thanks for this Ruby - it's beautiful and I so agree. I've always felt that you and I are "singing from the same hymn sheet" - if you'll pardon the pun! :rolleyes:

The work you are doing is wonderful. We might use different words, but the principle behind them is the same. Reality is perfect.

One of my favourite testimonies concerns someone who cut their hand on barbed wire and the zig-zag shaped scar remained for over 20 years and she wore it like a trophy. However, during a Sunday School class she was questioned about why she still had a scar (after telling the children that God can heal anything)

And the article ends with:

From the Sept 23 2002 issue of the Christian Science Sentinel

Love and peace,

Judy

Judy, you and I are singing the same hymn.
I Grace, there is no suffering, only Grace. No pain, memories, scars- only Grace
We just become full of ourselves (thought sphere) to receive her. That's all there is to suffering
Thanks for sharing these testimonies.

People better not dismiss them as imaginations of 'religious nuts'. They are real

In the west, the therapy desperately requires a paradigm shift.

Hi Jnani
Would you like to expand on this statement !!
Regards

Hi Jnani
Would you like to expand on this statement !!
Regards

In a nut shell its the blind leading blind

In a nut shell its the blind leading blind

That's a pretty broad statement. Can you be more specific.
Regards

That's a pretty broad statement. Can you be more specific.
Regards

I think it says it all but here it goes

With the introduction of Reiki in the West, therapy work, healings and idea of self-help entered the consciousness of masses. It has been gaining momentum.

The whole approach of healing, therapy is rooted in brokenness. The therapist is working hard to unbreak you, digging into issues, trying to get to the root cause of the issues, analyzing, processing and working on them. It's inefficient, separative. The therapist as almost as lost as the client. I don't make these claims lightly. I work with therapists, healers regularly. They are fairly burnt out folks. it dawns on you how can anyone give someone what you don't have themselves
Wholesomeness begets wholesomeness.

Some folks are in therapy for years and still as lost, or more so due to the therapy they have received. Again, with such clients, most part of my work is to undo the damage of separation, brokenness as a result of therapy

Therapy in West is obsessed with issues, deep rooted issues at that. We are coining new syndromes, conditions and techniques to clear these myriad issues, patterns. It sounds profound, but it is purblind.

The whole notion of Therapy, the way it is flowing against the current. It is a subtle rejection of what is. Brokenness of human condition is a matter of deepest acceptance. Only after that, there opens a way to go beyond it. Therapist who is deeply accepting can be of help. Most therapists are not at that point themselves.

I think it says it all but here it goes

With the introduction of Reiki in the West, therapy work, healings and idea of self-help entered the consciousness of masses. It has been gaining momentum.

The whole approach of healing, therapy is rooted in brokenness. The therapist is working hard to unbreak you, digging into issues, trying to get to the root cause of the issues, analyzing, processing and working on them. It's inefficient, separative. The therapist as almost as lost as the client. I don't make these claims lightly. I work with therapists, healers regularly. They are fairly burnt out folks. it dawns on you how can anyone give someone what you don't have themselves
Wholesomeness begets wholesomeness.

Some folks are in therapy for years and still as lost, or more so due to the therapy they have received. Again, with such clients, most part of my work is to undo the damage of separation, brokenness as a result of therapy

Therapy in West is obsessed with issues, deep rooted issues at that. We are coining new syndromes, conditions and techniques to clear these myriad issues, patterns. It sounds profound, but it is purblind.

The whole notion of Therapy, the way it is flowing against the current. It is a subtle rejection of what is. Brokenness of human condition is a matter of deepest acceptance. Only after that, there opens a way to go beyond it. Therapist who is deeply accepting can be of help. Most therapists are not at that point themselves.

Correct me if I'm wrong Jnani but you seem to be saying that therapist who search into the patients past for buried disharmony may be misguided if they expected that process alone to alleviate a malady.
Is it possible that you are saying forget the past, and focus your attention on the present.
Not too sure if I have worded this correctly but I hope that you can understand what I'm saying

Correct me if I'm wrong Jnani but you seem to be saying that therapist who search into the patients past for buried disharmony may be misguided if they expected that process alone to alleviate a malady.
Is it possible that you are saying forget the past, and focus your attention on the present.
Not too sure if I have worded this correctly but I hope that you can understand what I'm saying

What I am saying is that the foundations, approach and functionality of therapy sector are of forgetfulness of REALITY. Therapy is essentially chasing shadows and leaving the real out of the equation.
It's not about past even. It's more about oblivion, separation and subtle rejection of True Self.

Some good comes out now and then, but mostly its a pretentious circus.
Therapist and clients are both lost in a maze. So much 'awareness' and information about matters of mind, so many techniques, know-hows, so many modalities, healings and yet Unsettled minds and hearts is the order of the day

People today are more unsettled than even 20 years ago. Simply because there is half baked, unassimilated information gets stuffed in people's heads, and it is keeping us unsettled. Ether is chocoblock with stuff and nonsense about how to be better, heal DNA, heal karma, heal oneself, heal others, heal planet, shift this, shift that. Internet helps! Everyone, not only therapists/ healers have adopted a certain manner of speech. Hollow

Before the dawn of therapy. Wisdom travelled more gently from one to the other, helped, shifted and lifted spirits. Interactions were real, selfless and heartful. A lot gets sorted just by that. Therapy has made most natural things wrong. Suffering, pain, anger, past...everything! And then it sets out to correct it all.

Maybe the way forward is simpler than that. It's about awareness of oneself. Then there is nothing to heal as such, but the whole life realigns itself to your true identity. Everything worth seeking like peace, contentment, clarity dawns from that. That is what I mean by paradigm shift.

We can decide, choose and allow it to find balance is more the point, not forcing change by raking past, issues, patterns.

An awareness hits you, when you are ripe and receptive to deal with it. No more working on oneself, but living.
That takes patience, commitment, investment of time, energy and digging deep within oneself, maybe a whole life time is not enough to know oneself. But that is authentic format of therapy, Sadly, but we have not got that kind of time. We are a generation of instant qualifications.

What I am saying is that the foundations, approach and functionality of therapy sector are of forgetfulness of REALITY. Therapy is essentially chasing shadows and leaving the real out of the equation.
It's not about past even. It's more about oblivion, separation and subtle rejection of True Self.

Some good comes out now and then, but mostly its a pretentious circus.
Therapist and clients are both lost in a maze. So much 'awareness' and information about matters of mind, so many techniques, know-hows, so many modalities, healings and yet Unsettled minds and hearts is the order of the day

People today are more unsettled than even 20 years ago. Simply because there is half baked, unassimilated information gets stuffed in people's heads, and it is keeping us unsettled. Ether is chocoblock with stuff and nonsense about how to be better, heal DNA, heal karma, heal oneself, heal others, heal planet, shift this, shift that. Internet helps! Everyone, not only therapists/ healers have adopted a certain manner of speech. Hollow

Before the dawn of therapy. Wisdom travelled more gently from one to the other, helped, shifted and lifted spirits. Interactions were real, selfless and heartful. A lot gets sorted just by that. Therapy has made most natural things wrong. Suffering, pain, anger, past...everything! And then it sets out to correct it all.

Maybe the way forward is simpler than that. It's about awareness of oneself. Then there is nothing to heal as such, but the whole life realigns itself to your true identity. Everything worth seeking like peace, contentment, clarity dawns from that. That is what I mean by paradigm shift.

We can decide, choose and allow it to find balance is more the point, not forcing change by raking past, issues, patterns.

An awareness hits you, when you are ripe and receptive to deal with it. No more working on oneself, but living.
That takes patience, commitment, investment of time, energy and digging deep within oneself, maybe a whole life time is not enough to know oneself. But that is authentic format of therapy, Sadly, but we have not got that kind of time. We are a generation of instant qualifications.

An interesting evaluation. I noticed however that there was no mention of God. Does a God fit into your belief, if so would you care to expand on it !
Regards

An interesting evaluation. I noticed however that there was no mention of God. Does a God fit into your belief, if so would you care to expand on it !
Regards

Scommstech, it were a mere belief, I would sure have mentioned God.

Scommstech, it were a mere belief, I would sure have mentioned God.

Hi Jnani
Not too sure how to take that. It seems to say that God can be equated to a "mere belief".
I personally would have characterised many therapist/healers as working with "mere beliefs" and not with what I regard as Divine law

My own understanding is that there is a "God/Creator/Force", and his/her existence is responsible for reality. As such a God/Creator/Force has to be superior to a mere belief.
Would you not think so ?.

Regards

Belief is what one believes in but not really know.

When one knows, there is no reason to believe.

As I said before, I cannot believe in God as a believer. There is no need to.

Belief is what one believes in but not really know.

When one knows, there is no reason to believe.

As I said before, I cannot believe in God as a believer. There is no need to.

Hi Jnani.
I can't say that I fully understand some of what you say, but that's immaterial if it works for you.
I do agree that much of modern day "spiritual awareness" seems to lack a sound foundation, but if some find comfort in it good luck to them.
I sometimes feel a little disappointed with the forum as there are few who are prepared to expose their beliefs. But unless people are prepared to talk there is the distinct possibility that a learning opportunity can get missed.
Thanks for your reply's.
Regards

Hi Jnani.
I can't say that I fully understand some of what you say, but that's immaterial if it works for you.
I do agree that much of modern day "spiritual awareness" seems to lack a sound foundation, but if some find comfort in it good luck to them.
I sometimes feel a little disappointed with the forum as there are few who are prepared to expose their beliefs. But unless people are prepared to talk there is the distinct possibility that a learning opportunity can get missed.
Thanks for your reply's.
Regards

Hi scommtech
I am not trying to dodge your query about my beliefs. It's just that beliefs are not what I live by anymore. Life in its totality is my idea of Godliness. I cannot perceive a Force separate from that. I yield to that Godliness, if you like.

I bow down to what this moment commands.
I guess if I absolutely had to put it in words it would be that despite being born in India and into moderately religious family, I didn't feel I had to believe in God as such. but yield to the relentless desire in me to find HIM ( deliberately not using gender neutral word for God. Rebel!)
That has been guiding force in my life.

Again, when you do come to find and know, it all turns out a bigger mystery than you set out to solve.

So just living the unknowing.

Hi scommtech
I am not trying to dodge your query about my beliefs. It's just that beliefs are not what I live by anymore. Life in its totality is my idea of Godliness. I cannot perceive a Force separate from that. I yield to that Godliness, if you like.

I bow down to what this moment commands.
I guess if I absolutely had to put it in words it would be that despite being born in India and into moderately religious family, I didn't feel I had to believe in God as such. but yield to the relentless desire in me to find HIM ( deliberately not using gender neutral word for God. Rebel!)
That has been guiding force in my life.

Again, when you do come to find and know, it all turns out a bigger mystery than you set out to solve.

So just living the unknowing.

Hi Jnani
Thank you for this insight. It was very inspiring. It certainly is a mystery but thankfully people are starting to realise that there is more to life than what just appears on the surface.
Kind regards
Harry

Thank you!
What a gentle soul you are, Harry
God bless!