BP

I have sufferedfor many years with BP about 15 years ago when I was on a tablets from the doctors eventually I threw them in the bin due to their side affects, I still suffer with high blood pressure according to the monitor I use, I have used others and get high readings still.

I believe in natural cures and that there is a cure for everything on the planet already that God has given us!

I just have to find it, it seems!

Has anybody any suggestions, other than call a doctor!

Peace and light
Peter

Hi PJ
I have Lots of suggestions on bp.
It is so easy to cure with Pranayam (yogic breathing) and Yogic mudras(yogic hand gestures) that I find it incredible that it is not being incorporated into mainstream treatment of hyper tension and high/low bp, cholestrol etc

1.The tip of ring finger, should be pressed with thumb of the opposite hand or the thumb of the same hand-whuchever you find easier. This should be do a couple of minutes at a time, sevarl times during the day

2.Bhastrika pranayam- St comfortably touch index finger and thumb on both hands. hands gettly resting on the lap. Breathe in a gentle, rythmic soothing flow of in-going and out-going breath.No force, very gentle, soft, relaxed breaths. Breathing will get deeper with time. To begin with just enjoying the rythm of the breath. Now they don't say it west but everything Yogic stems from a quality of surrender and mellowness of heart. So whilst doing this-sit in a receptive heart and state of being. Do it for how long you feel you can sit with receptive heart. Can do sevarl times a day. The side effects will amaze you...

3. ( I find out the name of this Pranayam, later) but here is what you do
A.sit with back straight, nice and relaxed but straight.
B. With right hand thumblock the right nostril and breathe in through the left nostril.
C. Release the thumb from right nostril and press the left nostril with middle two fingers and breathe out through right nostril.
Repeat this with a receptive heart and with a feeling that breath is coonecting you with the Whole and you are safe in the gentle caring of the Whole. This is th eunderlining energy of all Yoga. Do this for 5 minutes...increase the time as you get into the natural rythm of it. Do it sevaral times a day.

After end of your sessions do shav asan. Lie on floor relaxed like a dead weight!
I will add more to this post later on as I check in again but you have more than enough to get started on the road to freedom from bp.
good luck!

Meditation and exercise are the two things I would suggest. I don't mean join a gym I mean just going for a walk if you can. Swimming is great if thats possible.

Your BP is dangerously high. High BP on its own won't kill you - but you are at high risk of stroke which well could .

The drugs these days have fewer side effects so (with pharmacist head on) I do think you need to consult your GP but tell him you are worried about side effects and explain why you stopped taking them before.

Its your choice of course. If you are happy to take the risk that you could have a stroke and end up seriously disabled - which would actually be worse than dead IMO - then don't do anything. If living a long active independent life is what you want then ignoring your BP is not a good thing to do.

I know nothing of the techniques jnani has suggested - but I am sure that they will be effective in helping to lower it - as will MY suggestions. But whether either of them will lower it enough to reduce your risk of stroke I don't know. people have got themselves OFF drugs by being proactive and taking steps to reduce stress and blood pressure

Hi PJ
I have Lots of suggestions on bp.
It is so easy to cure with Pranayam (yogic breathing) and Yogic mudras(yogic hand gestures) that I find it incredible that it is not being incorporated into mainstream treatment of hyper tension and high/low bp, cholestrol etc

1.The tip of ring finger, should be pressed with thumb of the opposite hand or the thumb of the same hand-whuchever you find easier. This should be do a couple of minutes at a time, sevarl times during the day

2.Bhastrika pranayam- St comfortably touch index finger and thumb on both hands. hands gettly resting on the lap. Breathe in a gentle, rythmic soothing flow of in-going and out-going breath.No force, very gentle, soft, relaxed breaths. Breathing will get deeper with time. To begin with just enjoying the rythm of the breath. Now they don't say it west but everything Yogic stems from a quality of surrender and mellowness of heart. So whilst doing this-sit in a receptive heart and state of being. Do it for how long you feel you can sit with receptive heart. Can do sevarl times a day. The side effects will amaze you...

3. ( I find out the name of this Pranayam, later) but here is what you do
A.sit with back straight, nice and relaxed but straight.
B. With right hand thumblock the right nostril and breathe in through the left nostril.
C. Release the thumb from right nostril and press the left nostril with middle two fingers and breathe out through right nostril.
Repeat this with a receptive heart and with a feeling that breath is coonecting you with the Whole and you are safe in the gentle caring of the Whole. This is th eunderlining energy of all Yoga. Do this for 5 minutes...increase the time as you get into the natural rythm of it. Do it sevaral times a day.

After end of your sessions do shav asan. Lie on floor relaxed like a dead weight!
I will add more to this post later on as I check in again but you have more than enough to get started on the road to freedom from bp.
good luck!

Hi
and thank you very much for all your help, I shall let you know how I progress and if my blood pressure drops, it sounds absolutely brilliant.
I visited your website and it looks very good I shall spend more time there later exploring, first trying to lower the blood pressure!

Peace and light
Peter

Meditation and exercise are the two things I would suggest. I don't mean join a gym I mean just going for a walk if you can. Swimming is great if thats possible.

Your BP is dangerously high. High BP on its own won't kill you - but you are at high risk of stroke which well could .

The drugs these days have fewer side effects so (with pharmacist head on) I do think you need to consult your GP but tell him you are worried about side effects and explain why you stopped taking them before.

Its your choice of course. If you are happy to take the risk that you could have a stroke and end up seriously disabled - which would actually be worse than dead IMO - then don't do anything. If living a long active independent life is what you want then ignoring your BP is not a good thing to do.

I know nothing of the techniques jnani has suggested - but I am sure that they will be effective in helping to lower it - as will MY suggestions. But whether either of them will lower it enough to reduce your risk of stroke I don't know. people have got themselves OFF drugs by being proactive and taking steps to reduce stress and blood pressure

Hi
and thanks for the reply and advice, I don't like the side effects of the blood pressure tablets from the pharmaceutical companies, I had a small stroke last year and was grateful to recover from it, they put it down to BP and my suffering from diabetes also minor.
I did get the side effects of drugs and have experience for a long time when I did take the blood pressure tablets, which I eventually discarded.
I will try the recommended method.
I try to stay away from GPs, as I believe that God for every ailment that we have there is a natural cure, we just have to find it.
I believe It definitely won't come from a doctor unless they are making a lot of money from it, as with cancer.

Peace and light
Peter

I have sufferedfor many years with BP about 15 years ago when I was on a tablets from the doctors eventually I threw them in the bin due to their side affects, I still suffer with high blood pressure according to the monitor I use, I have used others and get high readings still.
Surely it is natural for some people to live with high blood pressure, my pressure at the moment is 193/132 and my pulse is 100 this is a normal reading for me, I am told many times I shouldn't be here, but I am not ready to go yet.

I watch my health and have a reasonable amount of exercise, and appear to be quite healthy at the moment.(I am a 69)

I believe in natural cures and that there is a cure for everything on the planet already that God has given us!

I just have to find it, it seems!

Has anybody any suggestions, other than call a doctor!

Peace and light
Peter

Please see your GP any BP reading with the lower figure over 90 too 100 is high and over 100 is very high. High blood pressure is the silent killer. I had a blood pressure 160/99, I will try to get it down using herbal remedy for anxiety but if that does not work then I will be off to see my GP asap, and I think this is what you should be doing now.

I also have high blood pressure and, very reluctantly, take tablets for it. (I favour alternative remedies wherever possible). When they increased the strength of amlodipine, my ankles swelled - bad news since I was then a cyclist so they reverted to the lower dosage.

I have looked into alternatives for HBP and have come across garlic and beetroot as being mentioned. However, since the strength in these natural foods can vary, i.e. is not a standardised dosage, I am told they are not reliable.

It is my understanding that high blood pressure can have a physical and/or a mental/emotional component. Whilst relaxing techniques may be beneficial in lowering stress, I have heard that HBP can be due to the structure of the blood vessels themselves i.e. if narrowed (perhaps with age, wear and tear).

I was also told that a body massage is not advisable for someone with HBP which I heed but have recently bought an electric massager which is incredibly beneficial in lightening the heaviness in my legs, i.e. freeing them up.

Hi Amy - by OH is on blood pressure meds. He gets aches and pains and loves having MLD - I also do Bowen on him. I used to do remedial massage, but he now prefers the lighter, more rhythmical MLD technique - MLD is also ace at relieving oedema in his ankles.

Hi Amy - by OH is on blood pressure meds. He gets aches and pains and loves having MLD - I also do Bowen on him. I used to do remedial massage, but he now prefers the lighter, more rhythmical MLD technique - MLD is also ace at relieving oedema in his ankles.

I am sure there are some forms of HBP that massage is not a problem with. It would seem to be a grey area which is worrying. MLD would have been the one I would have wanted except that the therapist backed out when she knew I had HBP which suggests that it could be a bit risky. Perhaps your OH is in good shape - I am obese which may be a contributing factor in her not wanting to give me an appointment. I think I will contact bloodpressureuk.org and see if I can gain some clarity on this.

I would not have any concerns about doing Indian head Massage on someone with high BP. It is not a contra indication

I would not have any concerns about doing Indian head Massage on someone with high BP. It is not a contra indication

I've been doing a little googling research on HBP and massage - seems largely to relate to intensity of massage, i.e. deep massage is more risky. (With apologies to PJ7 - I realise this is going off track).

Please see your GP any BP reading with the lower figure over 90 too 100 is high and over 100 is very high. High blood pressure is the silent killer. I had a blood pressure 160/99, I will try to get it down using herbal remedy for anxiety but if that does not work then I will be off to see my GP asap, and I think this is what you should be doing now.

Michael, I think that as this thread is nearly 2 years old, PJ7 will hopefully have already been to see their doctor. 😉

Please see your GP any BP reading with the lower figure over 90 too 100 is high and over 100 is very high. High blood pressure is the silent killer. I had a blood pressure 160/99, I will try to get it down using herbal remedy for anxiety but if that does not work then I will be off to see my GP asap, and I think this is what you should be doing now.

Michael, I think that as this thread is nearly 2 years old, PJ7 will hopefully have already been to see their doctor. 😉

I have now received a reply from a nurse at the bloodpressureuk.org. She suggests contacting my GP but does describe why MLD may be problematic even though "no proper control/randomized studies have been published comparing the effect of MLD with people who have normal blood pressure against matched hypertensives."

She explains that "the concern that many people working in the field is that if the lymph system is unblocked by massaging it might make the fluids run faster within the system and if subjects have heart problems such as heart failure it might over load the heart.

May be if your blood pressure is high the same concern applies. If the blood pressure is controlled to a target level it may be safe enough"

If your BP is controlled with meds, then MLD should not be a contraindication. I wonder if the therapist who declined treatment was not sufficiently qualified? As you say, it is a grey area. I have treated people over the years who were unaware that they had hypertension until a routine blood pressure check picked it up.

If your BP is controlled with meds, then MLD should not be a contraindication. I wonder if the therapist who declined treatment was not sufficiently qualified? As you say, it is a grey area. I have treated people over the years who were unaware that they had hypertension until a routine blood pressure check picked it up.

Yes they were well qualified but it was explained to me that masseurs tend to err on the side of caution with HBP in the absence of studies/trials confirming its safety to use with massage. Now I know that the risk factor lies more with those who have had a heart problems like heart failure (which I am clear of) or not receiving medication to control their BP, it would seem that MLD would not prove damaging. (I take a drug to control my BP)

Indeed, it just occurred to me that what I am doing is probably far worse than MLD. I am using an electric massager on my lymph node areas and have only recently thought of starting it on a slower setting rather than a fast one! The heaviness in my legs has lessened and proneness to oedema subsided. I have now asked the nurse about using this massager, i.e. if it is safe (the manufacturing leaflet does not warn against use with HBP).

If you have been using it consistently, and had no ill effects (or felt ill!) then it should be OK.

If you have been using it consistently, and had no ill effects (or felt ill!) then it should be OK.

Well I only purchased it recently and am noticing the benefits more than the drawbacks (the latter being that it zonks me out for a bit ... taking an armchair nap - guess getting rid of stored toxins).

Since this is a thread on blood pressure, I made some discoveries on it today re. monitoring high blood pressure.

I usually have mine checked around midday at the clinic. I have only just realised that this is BEFORE I take my daily blood pressure medication (since I have it with food) and so this could well be a reason for why it is registering high! I only realised the significance today when the nurse asked me when I took the medication (so as to gauge what time to make the next appointment!)

Also there are 2 kinds of devices to take a blood pressure reading - the band that they put around your arm and pump up and the machine that you sit next to and insert your arm into a little tunnel. Now, I don't know if this is the case generally but, at my clinic, the machine was NOT found to be reliable, i.e. giving higher readings than usual! This was first mentioned by a member of staff and confirmed today by the nurse! So, if anyone has more knowledge on this contraption, please reply. Meanwhile, it is something for others to bear in mind when having their blood pressure taken.