Mickel Therapy

Very interesting indeed. I had IBS for years and I regonised one or two other symptoms from the video too. Worth a serious investigation methinks! Thanks for the info.

Training for this seems a bit expensive but I do see that you can arrange a payment plan. Suppose if a lot of your clients fall into this group it could be worth looking into further.

I see if you buy the e-book it costs just over £3 - might be worth investing in that for starters to get some more info.

So....where does it say on the website what the treatment actually is.

Its not a hands on treatment, its not a psychotherapeutic modality...

What is it, what is the actual treatment?

I looked at this website 2 years ago, asked the question then and still to this day don't know what the "treatment" actually is.

It just says the practitioner "facilitates the treatment".

Someone want to enlighten me.

Patchouli

So....... the website doesn't explain what the therapy is, or how much it costs. The "Practitioner Training" page doesn't tell you how long the training takes, what it entails, or how much it costs. If you look up the practitioners, all the UK ones have their website down as the main Mickel Therapy homepage and their email address is also at the same domain.

Call me a sceptic but I'm rather dubious of anyone who plays their cards that close to their chest. Are you sure it's spelled right and it's not Mickey Therapy (as in Mouse)?

Perhaps there is a Mickel Therapist amongst the huge number of therapists on HP who could perhaps set us straight on this? Or maybe one will strangely pop up, create an account, tell us how great MT is and then never post again....... not that I would suggest other organisations have done the same thing when scanning the net for comments or anything as dodgy looking as that! :p

Ah wait!........ found it in a download. Apparently it only takes 6 days to train and only costs $2500 (NZ$) which, if memory serves me correctly is about £1000

I saw a price somewhere of £1300, and that was also 6 or 7 days training - on this same page was the bit about a payment plan can be had.

I was interested in downloading the book for £3, for some more info. As I am into hypnothreapy, councelling etc. it is the facilitating bit that caught my imagination - my thought was that you go down this line......

I do agree with you, every tom, **** and harry is devising their own therapies these day and you have no idea who or what you can trust any more - but... some of them have some good, usable stuff in it........

So....where does it say on the website what the treatment actually is.

Its not a hands on treatment, its not a psychotherapeutic modality...

What is it, what is the actual treatment?

I looked at this website 2 years ago, asked the question then and still to this day don't know what the "treatment" actually is.

It just says the practitioner "facilitates the treatment".

Someone want to enlighten me.

Patchouli

I think I will look at the ebook as well. My initial thought is that it is a standard self heal system combined with the practitioner facilitating a self belief within the recipient. Of Course IMO this is achievable within the parameters of any healing system such as Reiki and IMO most systems benefit from a self belief/power of intent. I see the book has in it's title

The 'Long Awaited Cure'

It always gets up my nose when someone suggests a cure.:mad:

How many folk are downloading the e-book at £3?

A few hundred or thousand downloads and thats a nice wee amount in the back of yer purse:rolleyes:. O.K. your not going to be able to buy a yacht with that but lets face it...its money for old rope!!;)

I won't be downloading the e-book. I would be interested, however, why a man on GP's wages gave up his work to promote his therapy. I would like to hope it really was for altruistic reasons and not tuning into some peoples misfortunes.

Patchouli

You old cynic :rolleyes:

I would be interested, however, why a man on GP's wages gave up his work to promote his therapy.

I hardly think it is because he thought he could make the same amout of money flogging an e-book than what a GP get's paid, therefore I have to think he probably truely believes that his therapy can make a big difference?????

You old cynic :rolleyes:

I agree!!!! I think an open mind is needed here...... Will report back after having looked the the book - with an open mind! :rolleyes:

Hi Jobelle

I would be very interested to hear what exactly is involved also. I have had PVFS for over a year...Thank God I have made fantastic progress in that time...but about 8 months ago I read about Mickel Therapy on this website I was still at the stage where I couldn't stay out of bed for more than 1 hour at a time, and was DESPERATELY searching for a cure!!

I did some research and found a therapist. I gave her a call and while she was extremely nice and willing to meet me for a consultation (150 euro fee) she gave me NO info on what was involved. She said she had treated a number of people with M.E. all of whom had completely recovered. I was intrigued! I asked her if it would be possible to speak to some of these people - as I was about to commit to a substantial investment (3-4 sessions recommended)- she said this wouldn't be a problem.......

Well I'm sure you can guess the end of the story ;)!! Never heard a peep, despite phoning and emailing.....I decided it wasn't the therapy for me.

Hope you have better luck!

I hardly think it is because he thought he could make the same amout of money flogging an e-book than what a GP get's paid, therefore I have to think he probably truely believes that his therapy can make a big difference?????

I agree!!!! I think an open mind is needed here...... Will report back after having looked the the book - with an open mind! :rolleyes:

I never said he would make a GP's wages from an e-book but they are charging about £1300 for a six day course.:rolleyes:

Now, say you get 50-100 a year doing the course, thats somewhere between nearly £70,000 and £130,000. Not forgetting the e-book, the actual book he has written and (possibly) having to pay money to be included on the MT website as a practitioner (as per most complementary health bodies). If you had upwards of 200 people doing the course you are talking the best part of £300,000. Call me cynical (you and me both Bannick:p....(private joke) but that is verging on some pretty good earnings for teaching a course.

Have you ever considered how much money is to be made from teaching courses. It can be far more lucrative than actually doing the therapies.

I have a very open mind but I was approached by a MT when I first opened my centre (he didn't want to rent out a room, just wanted to leave his promotion leaflets :p). I told him only practitioners who rented rooms coud promote themselves but did he want to tell me about it and I could let anyone know of him if they specifically mentioned Mickel (no-one ever has) and I was not at all impressed with his "explanation" of what Mickel was. It was the same "non-speak" that is on their website.

He didn't impress me, he didn't inform me...just all the "non-speak", lots of words but no real explanation. Still to this day, even checking that website it remains unclear what this modality actually entails.

There are a lot of people out there touting new miracle cures, at 95%!!!! and as he is already a qualified medic, why hasn't it been adopted by the medical profession, if it has that kind of cure rate?

Patchouli

Hi Jobelle

I would be very interested to hear what exactly is involved also. I have had PVFS for over a year...Thank God I have made fantastic progress in that time...but about 8 months ago I read about Mickel Therapy on this website I was still at the stage where I couldn't stay out of bed for more than 1 hour at a time, and was DESPERATELY searching for a cure!!

I did some research and found a therapist. I gave her a call and while she was extremely nice and willing to meet me for a consultation (150 euro fee) she gave me NO info on what was involved. She said she had treated a number of people with M.E. all of whom had completely recovered. I was intrigued! I asked her if it would be possible to speak to some of these people - as I was about to commit to a substantial investment (3-4 sessions recommended)- she said this wouldn't be a problem.......

Well I'm sure you can guess the end of the story ;)!! Never heard a peep, despite phoning and emailing.....I decided it wasn't the therapy for me.

Hope you have better luck!

Thats such a shame.

I also got the same blurb about all his successes from the guy who wanted to leave his promotion leaflets in our centre but then he said he couldn't afford to rent a room until he knew if there was going to be any interest.

If the treatment is so succesful he should have been confident enough to know that the clients/patients would come.;)

Hope you are getting better.

Patchouli

Interesting link..

[DLMURL] http://www.reverse-therapy.com/FAQs/Reverse_Therapy_and_Mickel_Therapy/default.asp [/DLMURL]

It would appear that Mickel is a conglomerate of at least two different modalities (which both appear somewhat vague too)

Patchouli

"Currantybun",

Why don't you contact the main site again and ask why this therapist hasn't been back to you?

There are so many peeps jumping on the "new" therapy bandwagon now that it's so hard to keep up with them!

My niece has been battling ME for the last 7+ years...I'll send her the link to the site ~ it would be interesting to have her feedback.

I had our GP look at the website and she was slightly sceptical.

Hypothalamiitis.....basically doesn't exist. Bsically she felt it was...if you sit with someone for an hour and "explain" their ailment and charge them £100 for the pleasure, they are going to think they are getting better.

I have checked this guy out on the GMC website and whilst he was registered he isn't practicing as a GP anymore and I now note he is referring to himself in some literature as a former GP whereas before it was an Elgin GP.

I note he is speaking at the local Body and Soul Exhibition this weekend and have asked a very knowledgable friend to check it out.

I am not kean on our B & S as it is all Tarot, Crystals and Unicorn stuff (which is o.k. in its own right, just not for me).

Just thought it a strange venue for a "medic"

Patchouli

Hi everyone,

There has been a few postings here about Mickel Therapy for ME/CFS, and I would like to add my thoughts on it. Basically it seems to me that it is an indirect form of "amygdala retraining" which is a new treatment that I have developed. The hypothalamus which is referred to here is essentially directed by the amygdala, so that's where I believe the issue lies.

my experience of mickel therapy and ME

Hi

I read your conversation on mickel therapy. yes, the website doesn't say exactly what this is, but ANYONE WITH ME, chronic fatigue, or whatever name you call it, I urge you to GIVE IT A GO!! I was ill for around a year and then had four sessions, one every fortnight, and I got better.

I wouldn't have believed it possible as I had tried so many other things, but it worked. The therapy basically involves learning how to re-tune in to the messages of your body (which in my case came in the form of chronic pain, weakness, tiredness, as well as depressed moods, altered sleep patterns, poor temperature control, muscle fatigue etc etc). I started listening to the message I thought my symptoms were giving me, and acting on it the symptoms either reduced or went completely. The 'messages' were usually things connected with actually caring for myself - as if my body was having to shout to alert me to the fact that I needed something ... e.g. come on girl, speak up for yourself here ... it's ok to say NO to the demands everyone's placing on you ... do ask for a bit of time out ... or say to X that it's not Ok to treat me in this way ... and such things. the therapist helped me develop the skill of standing up for myself. How many women find this difficult??!!!

I also practiced gentle breathing exercises and yoga, which I think helped - but i do say, go for it. If there isn't a Mickel practitioner near you, try Reverse Therapy - in fact check out the reverse therapy website because it is much clearer about how this therapy works (Dr Mickel learnt under John Eaton, who heads up Reverse Therapy).

Good luck, there is a way out .....
:):):)

i went for a treatment from an oesteopath and she recommended that i contact mickel therapy, well this i did and nearly fell off my seat when they returned my call, £100 a session i cant afford this outlay, especially with no info on success!!
there are not many who have heard of this therapy!!

Hi

The therapy basically involves learning how to re-tune in to the messages of your body (which in my case came in the form of chronic pain, weakness, tiredness, as well as depressed moods, altered sleep patterns, poor temperature control, muscle fatigue etc etc). I started listening to the message I thought my symptoms were giving me, and acting on it the symptoms either reduced or went completely. The 'messages' were usually things connected with actually caring for myself - as if my body was having to shout to alert me to the fact that I needed something ... e.g. come on girl, speak up for yourself here ... it's ok to say NO to the demands everyone's placing on you ... do ask for a bit of time out ... or say to X that it's not Ok to treat me in this way ... and such things. the therapist helped me develop the skill of standing up for myself.

How many women find this difficult??!!!

Two things here....

1. The bold highlights all sounds like a "talking therapy" to me (which the website says it is not:rolleyes:).

2. The bold and italics.....how many men find things difficult too?

In my opinion if someone is going to be charged £100 for a treatment then they are more likely to take on board what is being said to them.

I will always maintain that this is just a rehash of cbt, nlp etc etc.

I was a psychiatric nurse for a long time and imo Mickel is just a rehash of many old therapies.

People are buying this.:(

Soz, I am not.

Patchouli

The path that's right for you

Hi Patchouli

I hear what you say, and I agree with others that the fee is well high ...

In my experience, though, it worked - and the overall cost, though difficult to meet, was easily worth it compared to more months (or years?) of incapacitating illness. In total I spent £320. Had I remained ill, I might have lost my house, my husband and more ...

I believe that with ME, as with any other illness, there is no single right treatment. So Mickel may not work for everyone. But if my brother, sister, mum, friend or neighbour was affected, I would certainly encourage them try this. I have been working in healthcare for the last 10 years and with the results I have seen, I support Reverse Therapy and Mickel Therapy. They may have similarities with CBT and NLP but are not the same, and they have worked for many people.

My philosophy is: It's better to try and see whether something works for you, than to decide something doesn't work before trying ...

So best wishes and good luck to anyone affected, whichever path you take
x:)

Mickel Therapy for me was an awful experience.

It was like paying money to be tortured and when you try to tell them this they ignore you.

Before I started it I worked full time, now I don't think I could even manage part time.

It seems they are taught in the training to be distant with people and not to listen to any concerns you have, the time i soent doing it was probably the worst of my life, it was making me very ill but if i said that they'd say something like 'ok then, well i can only show you the keys' which made me even more pissed off as they are smug about it.

I seen different ones, and in rt and there all the same really. Incidentally the keys which they teach are out of a book called spiritual psychology by steve rother which is some kind of wierd group called lightworkers which has some pretty wierd beliefs, check out their website.

If it doesn't work they don't offer you any advice, they just kind of ignore you really and leave you to it, even if your mental heqalth is suffering they'll say something like go and see a doctor then.

I really hate it and wouldn't recommened it to anyone.

reply about your bad experience

Hi Qwerty ... sounds like it was bad for you. I'm sorry to hear this. It's my hope that when people act as a therapist they are give loving support, and if they don't then they are not really fulfilling their role ... It's a shame that there are bad therapists out there. I had a friend who like you was not impressed. I think a lot depends on the quality of the therapist, how compassionate and insightful they are, and how the client and therapist get along.

I wish you all the best with finding something that does help you feel better ...

lakeslassie

:):):)

I don't think it's anything to do with the therapist, i seen 4 different ones but I felt a little bit worse with each one.

It ended it lots of violence with the things they were telling me to do yet when I told them they kind of blanked me, it's a pretty dangerous thing is you asked me, i sprent years doing it but it has destroyed me really, i just take lots of drugs now to cope, i've got a big grudge against them tbh, them and reverse therapy.

Mickel therapy appears to have much in common with Reverse Therapy. I understand Mickel trained with John Eaton (the founder of Reverse Therapy) but they later parted company. Reverse Therapy is thoroughly explained in this book:

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Having suffered myself with chronic fatigue and having tried all sorts of approaches, my feeling is that Reverse Therapy may well be an important (or even the crucial) piece of the jigsaw for many. I think any approach that encourages listening to the messages our body is trying to give us, as well as listening to our inner being in general, must have value.

Of course, there can be many converging causes of CFS, so each person has to determine what is relevant for them and perhaps work on different levels at the same time (physical, psychic, emotional etc.) For me, avoiding dairy and managing my psychic sensitivity are the two biggest things and the latter, for me, ultimately stems from self honesty...