swine flu jab for children?

hi Indo, i'm on a mum's forum where this came up & the majority of the mum's there have given the jab to their children, there are loads of clips on you tube about it being a scam as the company only received the patent in march 09 & ''swine flu pandemic'' occurred in april 09 so very suspect.
I have 2 perfectly healthy children so don't see the point of giving them an injection that they don't need & know a few people who had it & they said its just a case of really bad flu as i live in an area where the first reported case of outbreak was.
You just need to make an informed choice as everyone's circumstances are different.

there is also another thread on here covering this topic
wishing you the best mary xxx

I wouldn't have it even though I was called to 'participate' - our children haven't been offered the vaccine and if they were I would decline it anyway.

Obviously nobody can make the decision for you but I hope you get some great feedback.

Best wishes.

Hi Indo,

As the parent the choice is entirely in your hands, but if it were me, I'd research around a bit first to see what the 'latest' is on the situation.

Even last August, there were concerns that the swine flu medication would do nothing to help young people.

And even more recent stories in the news:

And info on it:

[DLMURL] http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/conditions/swineflumulti11.shtml [/DLMURL]

I think if you compare swine flu to seasonal flu, there's not much difference in mortality rates and usually it relates to underlying health issues, so if your child is fit and healthy, would you normally consider giving them a flu jab?

All Love and Reiki Hugs

The swine flu jab was never effective to begin with, it was tested in a matter of days, which isn't evidence of anything, let alone safety. Swine flu was a complete non-demic concocted by vested interests and/or over-egged by the media. Governments were very happy to have a crisis that wasn't their fault for a change to distract us from MPs expenses, etc. And they were all wrong.

The WHO changed their definition of pandemic overnight which lowered the bar and conveniently gave them authority to recommend governments to buy certain products of very dubious quality. Even now the WHO are being investigated for their handling of the affair, given that half of their SAGE panel have ties to vaccine companies yet they have so much power and authority. But guess who's doing the investigation - the WHO!

Study after study shows that seasonal flu jab achieves nothing, yet there's always a spokesperson willing to say something illogical like 'but old people are at risk so we have to keep vaccinating them', which is nonsense if it doesn't work. So if swine flu jab miraculously works it will be a first. Even the BNF says that flu vaccine is not effective in controlling epidemics.

The authorities are now desperately embarrassed about the billions of our money they have spent on this utter debacle and a useless vaccine they now can't shift. Several European states are likely to demand their money back, the damage done can't even be quantified. So I'm not surprised they're still sending out call up papers.

Under the rules of informed consent you are entitled to a full profile of risk, the one they sent my family was laughable in the way it glossed over this, it was blatantly inadequate and wouldn't stand up to legal challenge if an adverse reaction was the result.

It's your call, but first I would challenge your GP surgery to cite the hard evidence that:
1) the jab is safe
2) it's effective
3) it's necessary
If they can do that to peer-review gold standards then I will stand corrected.

damned if you do , damned if you don't :rolleyes:

It just seems to me that the 'swine flu' thing was as a bit of a smoke screen for the waring that is taking place.

Flu changes every year. Bird flu...swine flu.... fish flu.....daddy-long-legs flu :p

As a practitioner of TCM it just seems like its 'adding' something to the mix! when the recipe is fine already.

There is this news article on HP which may be of interest.

There is this news article on HP which may be of interest.

Says it all, doesn't it?

Take a swine flu jab or eat a bowling ball........hmmmm. Well, I guess with a gun to my head, I could eat that bowling ball. Any questions?

kcat

I have to say I would be disinclined but that doesn't mean I think others should be, it is just my own feeling in all this. I think the swine flu thing will be seen as a massive fraud by big pharma in years to come (not that I don't believe swine flu can kill, jut that it was/is overhyped) and that the cure has been as dangerous as the problem.

My daughter just got a form through for top up tetanus, diptheria and whatever the third one is (can't remember) and although she had them all when young I decided not to do them this time as she had a tetanus about 4 years ago and I am not conviced she needs the other "topped up" without them taking titre levels which they won't do. She is a strapping 5' 8" fifteen year old who atm has the constitution of an ox.

I would rather keep an eye out for her health and if we get a diptheria out break I will do something (maybe) then.

Patchouli

I have to say I would be disinclined but that doesn't mean I think others should be, it is just my own feeling in all this. I think the swine flu thing will be seen as a massive fraud by big pharma in years to come (not that I don't believe swine flu can kill, jut that it was/is overhyped) and that the cure has been as dangerous as the problem.

My daughter just got a form through for top up tetanus, diptheria and whatever the third one is (can't remember) and although she had them all when young I decided not to do them this time as she had a tetanus about 4 years ago and I am not conviced she needs the other "topped up" without them taking titre levels which they won't do. She is a strapping 5' 8" fifteen year old who atm has the constitution of an ox.

I would rather keep an eye out for her health and if we get a diptheria out break I will do something (maybe) then.

Patchouli

It's not just a question of whether anyone is vulverable, it's actually a question of whether these methods are safe or even work at all.

Vaccines are exempt from the usual testing standards of Double Blind Randomised Controlled Trials. The simple reason is that they are assumed to work, therefore it would be 'unethical' to test them using a methodolgy that would leave test subjects unprotected!

BCG is the only vaccine I know of that has actually been tested against inert placebos. Most are tested either against other vaccines for comparative effectiveness, or against raw adjuvant. What was found was that BCG offered no protection, moreover vaccinated subjects were more at risk of TB.

The bit you can't remember is Pertussis, and this is the component of DPT that causes respiratory distress in infants and has been implicated heavily in cot death.

Then there is the nature of swine flu:
most cases of 'flu' are actually 'flu like illness', or some other flu strain.

In other words, according to the conventional knowledge, you can have:
Flu virus with no symptoms
Flu symptoms with no virus
Symptoms and virus
Neither
another strain altogether

And because it is supposed to mutate, the virus that is of interest might be another virus quite soon. Hence some of us doubt that flu is even caused by a virus, that the virus is anything more than incidental.

Swine flu is of especial interest because its contagion has been tested in one of the very few experiments of its kind. 62 prisoners were exposed to it at very close quarters, yet not a single one got sick - the only person who did get sick (and died), was the doctor in charge of the experimental facility!

Flu is not contageous, a paper on this showed that the correlates for flu are geography and meteorology - where you are and what the weather's doing. Spread is not related to population density or contact with sufferers. Persons in similar locations get it at around the same time, that does not mean that they have given it to each other - there are always many common environmental factors.

1918 was not typical of pandemic flu, and is a poor basis for pandemic planning. What is more, viral strains are supposed to become milder with evolution, not more deadly. This is because they are more successful if their hosts do not die.

Swine flu is supposed to be a mild illness. Nearly all confirmed cases who have died have had 'underlying health problems'. In all cases, it is not known to the general public what treatment protocols these people were put onto before they died, the media don't seem interested. Persons in vulnerable groups tend to be put onto the most aggressive treatment regimes for flu, yet are most at risk of complications from treatment.

In 1918, treatment was a significant contributor to mortality figures, given the new discovery of aspirin, which was given in mega doses (up to 30 grammes daily!!!) to millions.

You may also wish to watch this video posted on HP some time ago.

Persons in vulnerable groups tend to be put onto the most aggressive treatment regimes for flu, yet are most at risk of complications from treatment.

In the animal world if the animal is sick they don't advise vaccinating; strange how this doesn't appear to be the case where people are concerned.

I would say go with your gut feeling and dont do it.

We have been placed on alert for a possible Swine Flu pandemic before – cast your mind back to 1976, when a mass vaccination of the population took place in the United States to ‘protect’ the population. In the event, no pandemic materialized and the major casualties were caused by the vaccination programme itself – 25 dead and $1.3 billion of claims filed by those adversely affected or damaged by the vaccine.

Whatever you may have been told, vaccines are not totally harmless – they all carry the potential to damage your health, and it is something of a lottery as to whether it helps or harms you. So far, no accurate predictor of this has been found.

You're much better off doing some basic, free and safe things for you, your daughter and your whole family to protect yourselves and promote overall health and wellbeing:

Eat healthily – plenty of fruit and vegetables
Get some exercise – some brisk walks in the spring sunshine to build up your Vitamin D supplies would be good
De-stress as much as you can – stress lowers the immune system.

Saira x

Just as an update on this, according to One-Click the Government has scrapped its programme of vaccinating under-fives against swine flu.

The truth is out there!

Here's some very interesting info regarding the truth about swine flu 😮

Check out the video on this one, its a long one and make sure you continue to listen even when the video has finished!

Its like something out of the movies......but were're getting smarter 😉

INDO

Hi, this is a very good link: