I was on the Daily Mirror website the other day and came across this interesting news story.
A man cured his terminal cancer by totally altering his diet.
The full story
[url]Man cures himself of cancer using wacky alternative diet - Mirror Online[/url]
Fantastic story Mountaineer
If anyone tells me I have cancer that is the route I'd take - or something very similar. He's not the first one to sort it out with diet - see kcatdeejay.
Trouble is the medics don't believe you and it's not easily proven with double-blind placebo controlled testing as who wants to take a placebo when life is at stake?! Also who would fund such a trial? Big Pharma makes so much out of their cancer "cures" they certainly wouldn't entertain it 😉
Fantastic story Mountaineer
If anyone tells me I have cancer that is the route I'd take - or something very similar. He's not the first one to sort it out with diet - see kcatdeejay.
Trouble is the medics don't believe you and it's not easily proven with double-blind placebo controlled testing as who wants to take a placebo when life is at stake?! Also who would fund such a trial? Big Pharma makes so much out of their cancer "cures" they certainly wouldn't entertain it 😉
I believe it is illegal to claim to cure cancer so big pharma are not allowed to say that any more than any of us should. Someone with a diagnosis of cancer is never 'cured' they will always remain under the cancer specialist for the rest of their life.
He did have surgery and chemo to deal with the original tumour so I do think that played a part in his recovery. But the fact that the secondaries seem to have vanished is fantastic The real test will come in how long he survives. I hope its a long time.
As regards a trial - you wouldn't have a placebo arm in a trial of that sort. It would diet vs conventional treatment. The thing is there are so many elements to what he did that it is difficult to determine what helped. You would also have to totally standardise what the diet arm received and the rest of their diet in case they accidentally ate or drank something that interacted with the beneficial effects of the diet being tested.
There would be logistical problems in the organisation of the trial to put it mildly.
I'm astonished that this is still being called a wacky diet... I give up (I'm not joking)! How long has easily accessible information about healthy eating been around and relatively mainstream. - decades.
- Healthy Diet and Exercise (at the very least), before cancer even get a toe in door.... it's not rocket science :(.
It depends what is meant by healthy eating...one man's meat being another's poison (and all that).
It is very easy to say that if you were diagnosed with cancer you would not go the conventional route but I would hold fire on that statement until you do (heaven forbid).
I know many people who have a "healthy diet and exercise" who get diagnosed with cancer and some people who smoke/drink/eat a load of high sugar rubbish and never get cancer.
I also know some people who, when diagnosed, went all microbiotic diets and still died others still drank and smoked and are still alive.
I know some people who were given great prognosis and died shortly after when hit with extensive secondaries and others who's prognosis was poor and are still alive.
Cancer treatment is most definitely not an exact science whatever way you want to go in treating it.
The body has, I feel, an amazing capacity for self healing or even self destruct. I think there is more to it all than we will ever know and having read a lot about psychoneuroimmunology (PNI) we are only just beginning to learn about this amazing organism that houses us.
Hope the guy stays well.
It depends what is meant by healthy eating...one man's meat being another's poison (and all that).
It is very easy to say that if you were diagnosed with cancer you would not go the conventional route but I would hold fire on that statement until you do (heaven forbid).I know many people who have a "healthy diet and exercise" who get diagnosed with cancer and some people who smoke/drink/eat a load of high sugar rubbish and never get cancer.
I also know some people who, when diagnosed, went all microbiotic diets and still died others still drank and smoked and are still alive.I know some people who were given great prognosis and died shortly after when hit with extensive secondaries and others who's prognosis was poor and are still alive.
Cancer treatment is most definitely not an exact science whatever way you want to go in treating it.The body has, I feel, an amazing capacity for self healing or even self destruct. I think there is more to it all than we will ever know and having read a lot about psychoneuroimmunology (PNI) we are only just beginning to learn about this amazing organism that houses us.
Hope the guy stays well.
Which is why I said healthy diet and exercise at the very least. Treating the body as though it were a separate entity from the mind, is a restricted view, isn't it. If the mental and emotion aspects to smoking 40 cigarettes a day, or eating 'healthy' and exercising to an unhealthy extreme, then the root causes are left untreated.
...Paul might be along shortly to explain in more detail....
The body has, I feel, an amazing capacity for self healing or even self destruct. I think there is more to it all than we will ever know and having read a lot about psychoneuroimmunology (PNI) we are only just beginning to learn about this amazing organism that houses us.
Personally, I don't look at it in the way that "we are only just beginning to learn about this amazing organism that houses us" - I'd say science/the mainstream is lagging behind by decades (centuries, if you want to widen the historical perspective). And, thankfully, there are a handful of people around who understand the workings of what we are beyond the physical organism.
Wild Strawberry...have you read much about PNI?
PNI is NOT mainstream medicine...never was, never will be..do get your facts right.
It isn't separating anything, on the contrary.
I don't really think I need Paul to explain anything to me and I find that statement quite condescending given you know nothing about me, my background, knowledge etc.
Wild Strawberry...have you read much about PNI?
No, why? Do you want to tell me how cutting edge it is? If so, I'm all ears....
Wild Strawberry...have you read much about PNI?
It isn't separating anything, on the contrary.
I don't really think I need Paul to explain anything to me and I find that statement quite condescending.
....the condescension came from yourself, not me....
You don't answer my question. Have you read much about PNI given you appear to think I have written my post that all systems are separate would lead me to believe you have grasped the wrong end of the stick.
Which is why I said healthy diet and exercise at the very least. T[COLOR="Red"]reating the body as though it were a separate entity from the mind, is a restricted view, isn't it. If the mental and emotion aspects to smoking 40 cigarettes a day, or eating 'healthy' and exercising to an unhealthy extreme, then the root causes are left untreated..
You can see from the above you don't appear to know of the concept of PNI.
Also...
What exactly is a "healthy diet" taking into consideration the biodiversity of the human population?
You don't answer my question. Have you read much about PNI given you appear to think I have written my post that all systems are separate would lead me to believe you have grasped the wrong end of the stick.
I answered your question - look again and you might see it.
Personally, I don't look at it in the way that "we are only just beginning to learn about this amazing organism that houses us" - [COLOR="Red"]I'd say science/the mainstream is lagging behind by decades (centuries, if you want to widen the historical perspective). And, thankfully, there are a handful of people around who understand the workings of what we are beyond the physical organism.
PNI is NOT mainstream. Given your statement above again leads me to believe you do not know much about PNI.
Given that we are just beginning to understand such things as the role of gut bacteria relating to disease and mental states, then yes, we are just beginning to understand that wonderful organism that is our body. Anyone who thinks they have got it all sussed is kidding themselves on.
I answered your question - look again and you might see it.
You answered at the same time I posted.
Yes, truly believe you have grasped the wrong end of the stick and won't now acknowledge this.
You can see from the above you don't appear to know of the concept of PNI.
Can you distinguish me from your view of me?
Also...
What exactly is a "healthy diet" taking into consideration the biodiversity of the human population?
Did I say that I had a definitive answer as to what was a "healthy diet". The reason, I kept my original post brief, was precisely to avoid going down long winded cul-de-sac debates, which are rehashed versions of things that have been said before...
You answered at the same time I posted.
Yes, truly believe you have grasped the wrong end of the stick and won't now acknowledge this.
Goodbye - I'm through with talking to robotic-type people.........!
You mention "we" a lot in your previous posts - don't include me in that we.... if you're only just beginning to understands those things - why not just say you.
I was on the Daily Mirror website the other day and came across this interesting news story.
A man cured his terminal cancer by totally altering his diet.
The full story
[url]Man cures himself of cancer using wacky alternative diet - Mirror Online[/url]
Going to the concept of PNI, one could consider that if the man felt he had an element of control over what was happening to him that linking a better emotional response could possibly up-regulate NK cell activity..possibly?:)
Going to the concept of PNI, one could consider that if the man felt he had an element of control over what was happening to him that linking a better emotional response could possibly up-regulate NK cell activity..possibly?:)
I agree it is more than likely, given the links between the functioning of the emotions, the neurological system and the immune system as shown in PNI research.
There is an interesting overview of this incredibly complex subject for those of us with a lesser grip on biochemistry.
There is also which also have a effect on how the body functions. With reference to the disappearance of the man's cancer, I would expect an element of neutrigenomics is involved, but probably not without the othe other two disciplines.
Most of this research is by biochemists and has not been accepted or taken on board yet by the medical profession. We looked at this through our course and [url]Jeff Bland's [/url]lectures over the years. He is one of the leading researchers into Functional Medicine which incorporates the above researches with close links to many universities all over USA and beyond too. A fascinating area to look into - and shows that probably the ways of treating people traditionally has in fact firm roots, but is looking at it from the scientific direction.
This is a very interesting story on many levels. When anyone survives a "terminal" diagnosis their story is worth listening to.
Clearly diet together with exercise, and getting enough sleep - and I would add exposure to sunshine to the mix as well and minmalising stress, as being essential to maintaining a healthy immune system, which is key to fending off cancer.
The diet the gentleman in question was/is following is strongly alkaline and that has to be a major factor in his recovery.
I wonder if there is a mental/emotional factor to this as well? One wouldn't be human if one wasn't 'crushed' after receiving a terminal diagnosis. But then finding alternative "cancer cures" on the internet, if you believed in them, one would experience a surge of hope and inner strength...I'm not suggesting a placebo effect here, but the mind is a powerful thing and you can do feats you didn't think you could when you are rightly motivated.
And yes, a bit of an insult to label the diet 'wacky' but it is a good thing to have the story in the national newspapers as it can only help change people's mindsets and awaken people to the possibilities of alternative medicine and sound nutrition.
HI Mountaineer
Like I said earlier cancer is the strangest thing, people I know with good prognosis who are now gone and people with poor prognosis still here.
My friend Janice was diagnosed with DCIS which is a pre-cancerous stage and was advised it was so minor that surgery was all that was required. Within a year she had extensive secondaries. My son had Ewings sarcoma with a very poor prognosis and is still here 9 years on:). My own prognosis was somewhere in between and, touch wood, am still here.
Now I eat a very healthy diet but I am fond of the odd glass of vino and, in fact, continued to have my wine though-out my chemo (must have the liver of a rhino). As we all know alcohol is very acid forming.
I do remember going to see a nutritional therapist when diagnosed who told me I could never, ever, ever, ever drink alcohol again as it was fuel on a fire (lovely woman but I just knew then we weren't going to develop a client/therapist bond). That was 10 years ago! Maybe I have just been lucky but it kind of flies in the face of the healthy living idea which is why I believe there is more to all this than we will ever know.
p.s. I DO take a probiotic supplement every day (did my dissertation on them....now THEY are the be all and end all...to me anyway!!). Massive part of the immune system we are just beginning to uncover.
I think you just do what you feel is best at the time.
Patchouli
Hi Guys ..
Slightly off topic but still it points to a natural remedy that has helped cure a lady from her condition . In this instance it was Crohns disease ..
[url]Eating tree bark cured my Crohn's disease, says grandmother | Mail Online[/url]
x dazzle x
HI Mountaineer
Like I said earlier cancer is the strangest thing, people I know with good prognosis who are now gone and people with poor prognosis still here.
My friend Janice was diagnosed with DCIS which is a pre-cancerous stage and was advised it was so minor that surgery was all that was required. Within a year she had extensive secondaries. My son had Ewings sarcoma with a very poor prognosis and is still here 9 years on:). My own prognosis was somewhere in between and, touch wood, am still here.
Now I eat a very healthy diet but I am fond of the odd glass of vino and, in fact, continued to have my wine though-out my chemo (must have the liver of a rhino). As we all know alcohol is very acid forming.
I do remember going to see a nutritional therapist when diagnosed who told me I could never, ever, ever, ever drink alcohol again as it was fuel on a fire (lovely woman but I just knew then we weren't going to develop a client/therapist bond). That was 10 years ago! Maybe I have just been lucky but it kind of flies in the face of the healthy living idea which is why I believe there is more to all this than we will ever know.
p.s. I DO take a probiotic supplement every day (did my dissertation on them....now THEY are the be all and end all...to me anyway!!). Massive part of the immune system we are just beginning to uncover.
I think you just do what you feel is best at the time.
Patchouli
No matter how one might want to dress it up, this man has 'cured' his "terminal cancer" simply by changing his diet and taking a few supplements (You can get vitamin C in Tescos and selenium in Boots), it's such a simple basic approach that anyone could do and the ramifications for allopathic cancer 'industry' are huge. 30 years ago I doubt any editor would have dared to print the story.
Dropping red meat, dairy and sugar from one's diet would seem to be a prerequisite for anyone with cancer, though not information coming through the cancer charities...
I'm glad you and your son have made it through your cancer experiences.
As you say, you have to play it as you feel it at the time.
Wine is a no-no for cancer sufferers, but then maybe it kept your spirits up and added to your quality of life, so in that respect it was a positive.
As you, I do believe in the importance of a positive attitude. I'm also a great believer in spiritual healing, and visualisation. What is it they say, we use only 5% of our brain capacity? I think there are great possibilities in the fields, not just of nutrition, but in body chemistry and self-healing as well, just waiting to be discovered.
Wine is a no-no for cancer sufferers, [COLOR="Red"]but then maybe it kept your spirits up and added to your quality of life, so in that respect it was a positive.
As you, I do believe in the importance of a positive attitude. I'm also a great believer in spiritual healing, and visualisation. What is it they say, we use only 5% of our brain capacity? I think there are great possibilities in the fields, not just of nutrition, but in body chemistry and self-healing as well, just waiting to be discovered.
I have heard there have been studies done whereby dieters were split into two groups, one half were allowed chocolate and the other half were not. The stress levels of the ones not allowed chocolate rocketed which is obviously very unhealthy (and can lead to weight gain biochemically)....it's all in the mind and why I don't believe in "diets" as such.
Which is why I love PNI and even with 20+ years in nursing and 10 in natural health I believe we know so very little about our bodies. 😀
Hi Guys ..
Slightly off topic but still it points to a natural remedy that has helped cure a lady from her condition . In this instance it was Crohns disease ..
[url]Eating tree bark cured my Crohn's disease, says grandmother | Mail Online[/url]
x dazzle x
Yes, I read this (did my dissertation for NT in probiotics and Crohns). It doesn't say in the article what the compound was in the bark that helped. I am sure people with a herbalism background would know (given I didn't get to finish my herb degree due to course provider folding :mad:)
Shame it said she was going to sell "her secrets" to a pharmaceutical company but in actuality I don't think it is possible to patent something like that anyway. Tashanie may know more.
I always have to give these disclaimers-I am heading into my 8th year of not curing my cancer. I have NO PROOF that what I have done for the past seven years and 9 months has had ANY effect on my cancer. I have no proof that changing my diet, increasing the alkalinity of my blood and taking MSM, the dreaded laetrile-B17, Omega 3's, Vit D-3, etc has had any effect on my life. In this time period, I have not been chemo'd, radiated or operated on and have not, to the best of my knowledge, introduced any know carcinogens into my body. Having said all that- I feel pretty darn good 🙂
kcat
Shame it said she was going to sell "her secrets" to a pharmaceutical company but in actuality I don't think it is possible to patent something like that anyway. Tashanie may know more.
I wonder Patchouli if there is any intent by the pharmaceutical companies in question to use such a formula for widespread distribution or they will rather just sit on it so that the formula doesn't become known / available to the general public .
x dazzle x