Hi
Anyone know if pain that is really bad in the morning and then eases off is a particular indicator of anything?
I did have pain, then sciatica - now the sciatica has eased off and I have strong pain for the first couple of hours every day.
Mattress?
I used to wake up like you said, the mattress was not supportive enough. Since we changed that 5-6 years ago to memory one, hardly remember what back ache feel like.
Hi
Anyone know if pain that is really bad in the morning and then eases off is a particular indicator of anything?
I did have pain, then sciatica - now the sciatica has eased off and I have strong pain for the first couple of hours every day.
Are you doing something that you would really rather not be doing first thing in the morning mouse?
Are you doing something that you would really rather not be doing first thing in the morning mouse?
Yes, going to the job I hate.
Yes, going to the job I hate.
Keeping going to a job you hate leads to soul loss leads to intrusions leads to back pain.
Back problems
It is likely to be matress related. Have you had your matress a long time or have you just bought a new one. Stay away from the over firm varieties. Choose one that supports in the right places properly, like a latex. They are more expensive but, hey, you spend a third of your life in bed and a good night sleep is more important to your health than you may have appreciated. Finally the other factor in your condition may be stress. Stress depletes energy from your spine. So if you are going through a period of stress it is going to make a recurring back problem show up. Try deep breathing relaxation methods, meditation. There is a great chi gong exercise to relieve the effects of stress on the body, called rolling the arms. If you have neither of these problems, seek out a good chiropractor.
Yes, going to the job I hate.
So, leave.
So, leave.
Yes, that is a brilliant idea!! Oh, hang on, have to pay rent, buy food, clothes...er, maybe not.
Yes, that is a brilliant idea!! Oh, hang on, have to pay rent, buy food, clothes...er, maybe not.
Looks like you have no choice then, but to carry on the way you are.
Looks like you have no choice then, but to carry on the way you are.
Yes, like so many others! Until something else comes up...
Yes, like so many others! Until something else comes up...
What would you predict/forecast about coming up?
What would you predict/forecast about coming up?
Zilch at the moment
Zilch at the moment
What about ([url]from your dreams thread[/url]) :
I had a fascinating dream last night, so felt inspired to put it on here!
Someone was doing something dangerous - going to a land where they were a target (it might have been me or an aspect of me, not sure). They were out in the open and massive boulders were being rolled down to hit them. I thought it was very dangerous to go there then I saw a circle of black panthers and this made me feel very happy instead - somehow it was alright with them there! Later on I was in a monastery/cave and I saw 3 candles going out - this seemed to mean that someone had died and I felt upset again.
and...
So many questions! Well it's a deep one, I'll have to carry it round with me for a while to figure it out. So far by feel ......it represents an inner journey of some sort, the panthers represent powerful helpers/allies, they also feel quite supernatural for want of a better word! It could also be a forecast of things to come.
"It could also be a forecast of things to come"
What about ([url]from your dreams thread[/url]) :
and...
"It could also be a forecast of things to come"
What about that? I can't see how that dream has anything at all to do with having lower back pain. Had the the pain before the dream and since......
Hey Mouse 🙂
Sorry to see you needing to post on the back boards. I am very sympathetic to anyone suffering from back pain.
Does the pain start when you get out of bed or when you are waking and still lying down? Would it go if you went back and laid flat? Or would it still be there niggling?
Most often pain in the morning that wears off is from an injury/damage that has stiffened overnight, pain that worsens over the day is more likely to have an inflammatory cause like arthritis.
I wish that it was as simple as back pain being a symptom of a job we didn't like, bad karma, or a bad mattress!
Hey Mouse 🙂
Sorry to see you needing to post on the back boards. I am very sympathetic to anyone suffering from back pain.
Does the pain start when you get out of bed or when you are waking and still lying down? Would it go if you went back and laid flat? Or would it still be there niggling?
Most often pain in the morning that wears off is from an injury/damage that has stiffened overnight, pain that worsens over the day is more likely to have an inflammatory cause like arthritis.
I wish that it was as simple as back pain being a symptom of a job we didn't like, bad karma, or a bad mattress!
Hi there,
I'm aware of the pain as soon as I wake up in the morning. It then increases as I get up and loosens up as the day goes on. Yep, I wish it was that simple too! I've actually been worried that it is something like the start of arthritis, I hope not.
What about that? I can't see how that dream has anything at all to do with having lower back pain. Had the the pain before the dream and since......
Why not get in touch with you inner Tiger and figure it out.
I wish that it was as simple as back pain being a symptom of a job we didn't like, bad karma, or a bad mattress!
It's very good to understand the physical side of a problem. But there has to be an understanding of the spiritual side, as well. Those of us who work with the spiritual aspect of problems are bound to write about those. From a shamanic point of view, I could write: I wish it was as simple as back pain being a symptom of an old injury or arthritis. It's from the opinions of everyone that a solution may be found.
Of course, from my point of view also, the 'cause' - whether it be arthritis or a reaction to a hated job - is probably to do with soul loss/intrusions. Most things are.
Why not get in touch with you inner Tiger and figure it out.
Inner tiger?
It's very good to understand the physical side of a problem. But there has to be an understanding of the spiritual side, as well. Those of us who work with the spiritual aspect of problems are bound to write about those. From a shamanic point of view, I could write: I wish it was as simple as back pain being a symptom of an old injury or arthritis. It's from the opinions of everyone that a solution may be found.
Of course, from my point of view also, the 'cause' - whether it be arthritis or a reaction to a hated job - is probably to do with soul loss/intrusions. Most things are.
Both viewpoints (spiritual/physical) are interesting to me 🙂 Something as longstanding as this is probably a complex combination of both I'm thinking.
Both viewpoints (spiritual/physical) are interesting to me 🙂 Something as longstanding as this is probably a complex combination of both I'm thinking.
The shamanic view point is that every condition has a spiritual aspect. It's not that it's a combination, rather that the physical has a spiritual aspect.
Inner tiger?
That what I said.
That what I said.
Yes, I'm not sure what you meant by it, hence the question mark.
Yes, I'm not sure what you meant by it, hence the question mark.
Yes, I had noticed the question mark. If you don't know what I mean, walk away from it.
Hi there,
I'm aware of the pain as soon as I wake up in the morning. It then increases as I get up and loosens up as the day goes on. Yep, I wish it was that simple too! I've actually been worried that it is something like the start of arthritis, I hope not.
Then I would doubt it is the beginning of arthritis as it is relatively rare to have the first symptoms appear in the back. It is more likely to be muscular in base if it loosens up like that it may infer that the stiffness/swelling/inflammation/fluid is redistributing back to normal.
You could try some simple modifications to your bed to test and see if that helps, things like sleeping on a folded quilt to give you more support and padding, or slipping a board under the mattress. I swear by memory foam, it is fantastic.
Also posture is something that can cause the kind of pain you describe, straining and over compensating, sitting badly, , But I'm sure you know all the usual boring things that may affect you.
What does the doc say? Have you tried something like an anti inflammatory perhaps Ibuprofen or one that suits you to see if that helps? How long has it been going on and are there any triggers that brought the start?
Cascara - yes, I've been looking into arthritis and that seems to be the case which is reassuring.
A few people have mentioned memory foam - I'll think about that (if I can afford it!).
Anti inflammatories tend not to help unless they are quite strong (Naproxen for example) and the stronger ones have side effects, stomach aches etc. It seems that a better idea would be to try and get to the actual cause of it but that is easier said than done.... I have had the problem for years, so won't bore everyone with the details, it has just become worse the past 2-3 months for no apparent reason. I'm looking into re-alignment type therapies such as Bowen as that is so gentle. Have had chiropractic, osteopath treatment over the years to no real use.
It's very good to understand the physical side of a problem.
It is absolutely crucial or any practitioner may do more harm than good.
But there has to be an understanding of the spiritual side, as well. Those of us who work with the spiritual aspect of problems are bound to write about those.
An understanding does not necessary mean simnply advocating someone leave their job. What if someone took your advice and left and with no income the pain does not go away? Where is the real help in making that suggestion? One has to look holistically at the total situation and making assumptions from reading a post online can always leave things open to misinterpretation.
From a shamanic point of view, I could write: I wish it was as simple as back pain being a symptom of an old injury or arthritis.
Each person should be treated as an individual. For one person back pain may be simply to get out of going to school or work, for another it may the result of a car accident. Of course both will have psychological and spiritual aspects to them, but it does not mean one should overule the other, or that a person be made to feel that they are being patronised for ignoring one aspect.
For many long term chronic back pain sufferers, it is crucial to deal satisfactrorily with the spiritual side of their situation as a positive mental outlook can infinitely increase the body's own healing power and willingness to cope.
It's from the opinions of everyone that a solution may be found.
Absolutely, that is where this board is so helpful, allowing so many differing opinions to be aired.
Of course, from my point of view also, the 'cause' - whether it be arthritis or a reaction to a hated job - is probably to do with soul loss/intrusions. Most things are.
Your opinion, and one that is very general, it sounds so dramatic, soul loss, soul intrusion and I am sure that the 'cure' when given by some practitioners will very expensive too.
It would appear that you promote shamanism, so obviously that will biase your view. Myself, speaking as one who has tried practically everything, (and is willing to try anything) and has a complete soul and healthy bright aura, sometimes the spiritual and shamanic quarters do not hold the answer but they can increase the life force quality which can help overcome most things 🙂
Cascara - yes, I've been looking into arthritis and that seems to be the case which is reassuring.
A few people have mentioned memory foam - I'll think about that (if I can afford it!).
I use the memory foam warehouse and wait till they have a sale on, a mattress topper is just as good as the memory foam mattresses depending on your own of course 🙂
Anti inflammatories tend not to help unless they are quite strong (Naproxen for example) and the stronger ones have side effects, stomach aches etc. It seems that a better idea would be to try and get to the actual cause of it but that is easier said than done.... I have had the problem for years, so won't bore everyone with the details, it has just become worse the past 2-3 months for no apparent reason. I'm looking into re-alignment type therapies such as Bowen as that is so gentle. Have had chiropractic, osteopath treatment over the years to no real use.
Ahh now that explains more, you can get stomach protecting pills like omeprazole to counteract the side effects. Obviously not good taking more pills but if that works.
And what happened 2-3 months ago, think hard, I keep a diary and write down things so that I can chart progress or causes and triggers etc, that may help too?
Have you had a scan or xray yet?
A few people have mentioned memory foam - I'll think about that (if I can afford it!).
A cheaper option is a memory foam topper - one or two inches of memory foam to go over the mattress. This also avoids the problem of being too hot, which is a common problem with matresses which are completely or mainly memory foam.
Bear in mind also that memory foam is made of petro-chemicals. Non-biodegradable and using up fossil fuels. Some people are sensitive to the smell, particularly when they are new.
Also, never leave a baby or young child unattended on memory foam.
I use the memory foam warehouse and wait till they have a sale on, a mattress topper is just as good as the memory foam mattresses depending on your own of course 🙂
Ahh now that explains more, you can get stomach protecting pills like omeprazole to counteract the side effects. Obviously not good taking more pills but if that works.
And what happened 2-3 months ago, think hard, I keep a diary and write down things so that I can chart progress or causes and triggers etc, that may help too?
Have you had a scan or xray yet?
I have had an MRI scan yes, some time ago. The label was 'degenerative disc disease' which is a sort of catch all term but I believe there is some particular damage there around the L5 region. And, to throw something a bit odd into the picture..... I have been experiencing kundalini type symptoms for 3 years now and sometimes have a lot of heat in the same region (it's a bit out there but hey!).