Back pain but only when sleeping!!!!!!

Hiya

Do you have one of those beds that doesn't need turning? I think it's called "memory foam"? I bought one 18 months ago and sleep like a log since, whereas before I couldn't stay still long enough to sleep.

You can get memory foam mattress toppers which cost less than completely replacing the bed, and also if you still don't get relief at least you haven't spent too much.

Hope this helps

it is usually associatee with poor sleeping position, my problemwith memory foam matresses is that if you have poor posturewhilst asleep it keeps you in a bad position.
Yiu only tend to wake when ucomfortable so I would suggest seeing someone to advise you on your position to get to sleep in,
regards
Gary

I'm absolutley fine during the day but when I go to sleep at night I wake up 7-8 times a night with shooting pains in my back and I feel like my insides are bruised and delicate. Its really painful

Hi Weeled,
Reading your post make me though you have a back problem.
It is not severe yet so you are fine daily but the long standing position you take while sleeping...awake the pain.]

By day your body postures change all the time explaining why you are going fine for now.
Moving all the time kind of massage your back and relax it so you do not feel anything bad yet because it is just starting.

I would advise you to have someone checking your back..maybe an ostheopath or whoever suits you but there this seeems to be the first signs of something which is going to be very painfull to stand even by day in some time.:(

What do you people suggest?

Accupuncture? Physio? Regular Massage? Chiropractor?

Which of these theropys give the best outcome?

What do you people suggest?

Accupuncture? Physio? Regular Massage? Chiropractor?

I would say:"Choose the therapie you are the most confortable with."
The therapie in itself isn't not such important.What matter is the practitionner.
All therapies you have listed ( and so much more) can be efficient, if you find a valuable practitionner.
In healing it's like with everything there is some better than others.

Good chiropractors are just wonderfull but the problem is to find one good, just one.
Ask around if anyone know one.
Or any other practitionner...try not to find someone you can find the phone number on the yellow pages.Find someone who has done wonder with his patients.

Which of these theropys give the best outcome?

You may need to mix several practice.
I have had a trully severe neck condition.
Now I am fine but I have find help with:
2 differents ostheopaths (working with differents technic)
1 physiotherapist
1 accupunctor
1 reflexologist
and the help of flower remedies.

So for me there was nothing better than something else.Everything was usefull and beneficial.All these have work together like a team if you want.
I start with the ostheopaths when all traditionnal doctor can't help me and said nothing can be done.
The ostheopath start a good job but after sometime their practice reach the limit of his potential with me so I change for the next therapie...and so on.

When you find something suitable for you you will know it and will stop looking for anyoe else.
As long as you do not find....keep looking for.

Never give up your search and you will find all the help you need I am sure.

The good practitionner for you will be able to help you at the very first session.
You will not need to see him or her several time to feel you are doing better.
Stay with this personn as long as you are improving.

Following your state and your practitionner you may no need to change of practice or practitionner.
What you have yet doesn't seems to be yet settle so you should be able to get rid of it quite fast.

Try to find someone not too far from you.
Try to find it from your relatives who can give you good advices from the experiences they might have.;)

Try Bowen Therapy as this is what worked for me.

In treating lower back pain, unless you are in extreme agony, you will probably start with the least invasive procedure and work your way toward the most invasive. The starting point is to take a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug like ibuprofen or Aleve to reduce swelling. Your doctor might also prescribe a pain-killer. Apply ice wrapped in a towel at frequent intervals to the site of the pain for two days, then apply heat indirectly to your skin.
If the pain does not resolve within a few days of this treatment with bed rest, the doctor will probably order tests while putting you in the hands of a physical therapist and ordering that you do some mild workouts (walking, bicycling, or pool aerobics) and trunk stabilizing exercises. He may have you wear a back brace.
Typical tests are x-ray, CAT scan, and MRI. You may then be referred to a spine specialist – a neurologist or orthopedic surgeon. He or she may order additional tests: discography, myelogram, or bone scan. Discography uses a fluoroscope to look at one or more discs which have been injected with a contrast dye. A myelogram does the same, but injecting and looking at the space around your spinal cord. In a bone scan, a specialist injects into a vein a trace amount of radioactive material which travels to and collects in bones. A scanner can then detect spinal problems.

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Hi Weeled

I am going thru something similar. I am on my second lot of physio cos I started with Sciatica. The physio worked for that but I could never sleep on my back even after that episode of physio. I was told to continue with the exercises but it still didn't seem to resolve it so I went back to the GP. The referred me again and I am in the middle of my core stability sessions now.

Keep going to your GP or if you aren't happy go to another at the surgery and persist. Things that helped me with the pain initially: Solpadiene (paracetamol and codeine) long acting ibuprofen (acts over 12 hours so gives you cover throughout the day and then again thru night). Heat packs/wheat bags are good.

I've been told my pelvis is twisted so I think it means I am just going to have to do these exercises for ever more! I get pain in my hips of a night like an ache right thru and I can't sleep on my back at all or I can't move in the morning. Try sleeping with a pillow between your legs supporting your knee and ankle that are uppermost.

I had a reiki session to see if I wanted to do Reiki 1 and that helped. I want to try Bowen - I have heard lots of good things about it. Pilates is supposed to be really good in building up your core stability muscles and therefore really good with lower back pain so I am going to try that soon.

Whatever you decide do persist with your GP I snow some are rubbish but you can get a second opinion and he/she can't ignore this forever. Good Luck 🙂

Indi

I have suffered with back pain for several years. I have tried therapy, cortisone shots and surgery, nothing ever helped the pain. I tried the ActiPatch and was immediately relieved of the pain I have been living with for years. The ActiPatch gives immediate relief. I wouldnt hesitate to recommend it.

Hi Weeled. First I would forget the doctor and see a therapist. A post recently highly recommended a chiropractor because of the use of xrays, so if there is something obvious to see, it will show up (though MRI is best, but expensive and long waiting list on NHS). Osteopaths and physios are also very helpful - just depends on what you prefer. You could try 48 hours on ibuprofen so that you relax when you go to bed, but you have to be consistent. I wouldn't hesitate in recommending Pilates as a long term solution to managing back problems. It no only works on the core muscles which support the back, but all other muscles too, strengthening and increasing flexibility. Also mobilised the joints. Anything is worth a try - you must be pretty tired!

Hello Weeled,

Just stumbled across your post and thought it sounds very similar to my condition. I have had terrible back pain in the morning, feels like ive been kicked all around the kidney area also with tightness around the ribcage. When I get up I feel like i have had no sleep, am dying for a pee normally and feel awful. After an hour or so of moving about it subsides, with just some general acheing.

I bought a memory foam mattress 2 years ago, for the 1st few weeks it was better and now is the same..so am loath to go getting more new mattresses as my instinct tells me this is not the way to go.. plus I cant afford it!

I was looking up morning back pain on the internet and found a site with literally hundreds of people complaining of the same problem with no resolution mostly and am damned if i know what to do about it. (wrong diagnosis.com)

I have had countless visits to the doctor, back xrays, bloods and all came back negative. I am constantly tired due to lack of deep sleep, but in the day can have a great few hours asleep on the settee!!

This has really affected me, and I have tried osteo, physio, chiro, bowen and shamanic healing with only limited effects.

I am going back to my doctors and will be pushing more.

Let me know how you get on...pm me if you like..

Good luck

Ah hah! Very random, but my friend's father is a acupunture doctor, and he has treated many patients, all with pleasing outcomes.
Overall, I would suggest acupuncture (if you can stand needles :p) but like Lobellia said it really depends on the practitioner. 🙂

Morning back pain is killing me.

Hi guys,

I was just googling morning back pain, as I too am severely suffering this. I'm looking for some kind of explanation and resolution. Some of the posts here are very similar to my own.

I have seen the GP over and over again, I've been to see a physio for months, then been referred to a specialist and had countless xrays taken. My pain, in summary, happens only when I sleep and lasts for about an hour after I wake up. A warm shower usually helps. Originally it was a lower back pain and was absolutely crippling. My abdomen would be incredibly tight and tense, and my insides would be agony. Then the pain went away for about 2 months after I moved to a new bed entirely -at this point I thought I was healed! It then came back and was just as bad if not worse than before.

Oddly, the recent pain is no longer in my lower back! For the past few months the pain is more on my upper sides. Same type of intensity and has the same crippling effect. It's like my rib cages have been compressed and are sensitive to pressure. This has made sleeping worse than before with the lower back pain.

I really need to some advice on what to do. I'm aware my standing posture isn't great (My shoulders roll forward), but I'm doing my best to correct this.

I'm 27 (coming on 28) and this pain has been with me for a little over 2 years. I can't continue to live like this.

Any advice would be much appreciated.

Dave.

Without a bit more context and detailed info it's impossible to help with this. Hence a personal consultation is needed; deep undiagnosed back pain keeping you awake, I would not leave this ignored.

Only a detailed history and examination is really adequate. Most osteopaths have the time to look into this, and the knowledge to know what tissues and organs may be causing trouble.

And this may be something that is very easy to treat. On the other hand, from the information given alone it's not possible to rule out things that may need more detailed investigation - the range is huge.

Then again, the issue of cause is another matter entirely, that's something that needs to be discussed with the individual practitioner. However, a private consultation with an osteopath will not be a waste of money, because they may be able to offer a lot of reassurance and a cost-effective solution to the problem. Even if they have to send you back to your GP for further referral, hopefully you will be armed with useful questions and a bit more knowledge to have the necessary discussions.

I suffered with Sciatica (the shooting pains you describe sound nerve related) for 12 years. I was prescribed stronger and stronger painkillers and was sent for physio several times but nothing helped. The Sciatica went when I became pregnant but returned with increased severity when my son was 6 months old. By this time I had found homeopathy and have now been pain free (I don't count a twinge once per year) for 10 years. I agree with kvdp that you need to get a personal consultation with a practitioner of your choice. There are several homeopathic remedies for sciatica and back pain which is worse at night and lying down. There's no reason why you couldn't combine a physical therapy such as accupuncture or osteopathy with an energy therapy like homeopathy and/or back flower remedies.

Good luck and hope you are pain free soon 🙂

Hey

I am a Sports therapist and have seen many client with back pain. Plus I suffer with back pain caused by reason 1.

There could be another of reasons,

1- Tight hamstring and bum muscles- sounds strange I know if the muscle is tight then they will pull at the tendon in the back, hence the back pain. Most people with 'sciatica' symptoms, is not siatica but tight muscles pressing on the siactic nerve.

2- As someone has already suggested poor posture, this won't help if you get a memory foam matress topper. Personally i don't like them too soft.

3- Tight muscles in the neck and shoulder- same as 1, problem can be elsewhere but pain radiates down.

My advice is see a Sports therapist not a physio as sports therapist can massage, stretch and work on the issue rather than the sypmtoms.

Drs/GP won't do anything except give you painkillers which will stop working after you have taken them for a while.

Sleep with a pillow between your knees when lying on side and underneath your knees when lying on your back, this will take pressure of the lower back and align body again.

Get stretching, a lot of my clients are active but do not stretch afterwards and this causes the probs in first place. Find a sports therapist who can show you stretching for glutes and piriformis. Get a sports massage a deep one for the back not a swedish as this is only superficial.

Good luck and hope you get sorted.

If you want more advice let me know.

Vickie x

The enthusiasm of the various practitioners here is exemplary! A few points to note:

1) this is a good forum for general information. Nobody should IMHO be offering specific advice or diagnosis here.

2) my own emphasis here is on the proper assessment of the situation, rather than the mode of treatment, because given the information here there is no way of knowing this isn't a serious situation, such as a kidney stone, gall stone, psoas abscess etc, or even worse. In such a case, the involvement of the GP may be absolutely vital. It probably isn't those things, but any amount of advice about stretching of hamstrings, elbows in buttocks can only be given in light of much more information and a proper assessment.

3) I mention osteopath, partly because of my own vested interest, bu mainly because the training is extremely thorough in the clinical implications of signs and symptoms. However, you can choose any primary-care therapist in the first instance, which by definition means somebody who is able to diagnose without supervision, and therefore also knows when to be respectful of complicating factors that may indicate a serious condition. For example, as mentioned, a good homoeopath might be entirely suitable for this, you'd have to ask them.

4) the type of therapy you choose is not nearly as important as the vision of the therapist, however, I come back again to the importance of understanding the situation properly.

5) mixing therapies may be acceptable, but that is also for the individual therapists concerned to agree, and they should all be kept in the loop. It is very possible for too many cooks to spoil the broth. On the other hand, this is an holistic healing forum, holistic doesn't mean doing lots of things IMHO, it means having an all-encompassing approach. It is not really possible for one therapist to comment on how another might like to work, so just because the ABC therapist is happy to share a case, that doesn't mean that the XYZ therapist will not be aware of a possible conflict.

So again, given the nature of the symptoms, rigorous assessment first, find the best practitioner you can. I would start by asking friends, colleagues and family who they have seen for this and that, and then speak to whoever is recommended first to make sure you are happy with their take on the situation. Work with that practitioner, don't just use them as a subcontractor: much of the benefit is not from the treatment, but from the advisory role they can take in helping you navigate the developments of this situation.

Don't jump from therapy to therapy without good reason. If you think your therapist is missing something out, then ask them about it. It really is very unhelpful to discover the reason that the patient one has been treating for weeks isn't improving is because they were mixing and matching treatments without any coherence or coordination of programme.

That's all!
Good luck.:)

Although there may be other causes for morning back pain, the most common is an unsupportive or unsuitable mattress. Or from my own previous experience it could even be due to a sloping bedroom floor which your back is trying to compensate for.

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Desperate!!

I am 47 and have been suffering from severe back pain when I sleep. This all began approx nine years ago when i was diagnosed with sleep apnea. Having discovered that and realizing i had been living with it for, at least, a decade, probably more, I was thrilled with the result of sleeping with CPAP machine. Been using it ever since and can't sleep without it. However, at that time I began developing SEVERE pain in my upper and mid back, right along my spine. Over time this has got me back to a place of little sleep. Essentially, the same experience as having sleep apnea.

Of course I have consulted doctors, sleep apnea professionals, x-rays- the whole bit. Nobody has heard of this probelm, incuding peers I've consulted on a couple Sleep Apnea Forums.

I have tried illiminating the cause by sleeping without my machine and am left unsure if thsat helped. Te problem is I can't sleep without it and function at my job etc.. My father's side of the family also has a desease called arterial sclerosis (Spelling?). and recently suffered a heart attack and had a stent put in. So, I am now, more than ever, reluctant to sleep without my machine

The bottom line here is I can't go on like this! I am a Truck Driver and am struggling to atay awake much of the time. My life is back to where it was before knowing about the sleep apnea

Now, here's the kicker: There are some days this doesn't happen. they are relatively rare and random. The only thing I'm slightly sure of is the length of my sleep. If I sleep for short periods of time it doesn't seem to happen

I'm grasping at straws now. I so hope someone out there has heard of this or has some kind of answer. I would appreciate any help I can get with this. Thank You, in adavance.....Tim

Potential Cure

I had exactly the same symptoms. Sore back every morning, regardless of what bed / mattress / sleeping position (slightly worse on my back). After a few hours and a hot shower, it eased off almost completely.

Went to a new physio. The problem was my feet! Turns out that if you lose your arches (by turning slightly over on your foot and walking flat-footed), then it puts a strain on your back as you walk. Then at night, the overused muscles in your back stiffen up leading to pain. In the morning, you ease them off again, but as your walking is the problem, the sore back never goes away.

The solution was to buy some "orthotics". Yup, I'd never heard of it either. Turns out these are hard insoles that create the ball in my feet that is missing. You just put them in your shoes and walk around. Feels a bit like walking with some newspaper under your sole, but it changes the foot angle, and therefore the angle of the knee and then hip. By straightening everything out, it avoids the off-centre gait and the slight but ever present strain on the back.

I've only been wearing them for a few days, but I'm feeling slight but noticeable improvement each morning so far. I'm hopeful that this could be the answer. Who'd have thought! Feet...!!!

Hi,

About a year ago, my main problem was turning over in bed. At that time I could still walk and do most he things I needed too. I did not know what the problem was, but that was an early sign that my l4/l5 disc had prolapsed. I did not find this out until January this year. Had the NHS been quicker my symptoms may have not gotten so bad.
You need to push for an MRI scan because if there is some problem they may be able to help you more at this stage.
At my current stage, I am only being given the surgical option. My condition and my life was so much better since the pain at the time was more of a nuisance and appeared to be improving.

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The solution was to buy some "orthotics". Yup, I'd never heard of it either. Turns out these are hard insoles that create the ball in my feet that is missing. You just put them in your shoes and walk around. Feels a bit like walking with some newspaper under your sole, but it changes the foot angle, and therefore the angle of the knee and then hip. By straightening everything out, it avoids the off-centre gait and the slight but ever present strain on the back.

I've only been wearing them for a few days, but I'm feeling slight but noticeable improvement each morning so far. I'm hopeful that this could be the answer. Who'd have thought! Feet...!!!

It makes sense tho- every bit of your body depends on every other bit. But orthotics should not be used without a proper diagnosis.

Hi,

About a year ago, my main problem was turning over in bed. At that time I could still walk and do most he things I needed too. I did not know what the problem was, but that was an early sign that my l4/l5 disc had prolapsed. I did not find this out until January this year. Had the NHS been quicker my symptoms may have not gotten so bad.
You need to push for an MRI scan because if there is some problem they may be able to help you more at this stage.
At my current stage, I am only being given the surgical option. My condition and my life was so much better since the pain at the time was more of a nuisance and appeared to be improving.

Thank you very much for the tip. I am having the same problem. Guess MRI scan is indeed the way to go! 🙁

Orthotics for gait correction is not always a good long term idea. When I started tilting to the left, I put in an insole in my left foot which raised me from that side. It appeared I was straighter but more pressure was being put on my left hip.
That actually made walking just as uncomfortable. Orthotics can be great for some conditions but leg length discrpencies due to an underlying medical condition that has just emerged, they are a bad idea. Your gait was not always a problem. It is a problem now because something happened to change it. Orthotics may provide comfort but they also put pressure elsewhere. Like I said, for some conditions they work well, but if you have gait issues due to a new back problem.
I think self treatment for back problems is always a bad idea. Get a referral from your GP, see an Orthopaedic specialist and get an MRI. Insist you get an MRI. If your spine is Ok then you have little to worry about. Don't go to a chiropractor. They just doagnose you using their hands. My chiro actually got my diagnosis wrong and when I sent him my MRI, he forgot to tell me thay his initial diagnosis was wrong. He also claimed he can get me back to normal within a few weeks and this is someone with a great reputation. Anyway, just don't leave these thigs to quacks and these con artists. For a year I suffered and I thought all I had was a muscle strain. It was more serious than that. I am still recovering from an operation and I am worried if I will ever get back to normal.

Hi,

Don't do anything drastic. I would recommend that you have a Bowen Treatment to start with. It is very gentle and non-invasive and you might already benefit from it.
Also, as I always say ......... you must drink 2 liter of water a day at least, more if you drink tea, coffee, fizzy drinks and alcohol. You might just be dehydrated.

I would recommend you read the book "How to Deal with Back Pain and Rheumatoid Joint Pain" by Dr F. Batmanghelidj it has many self treatment exercises that help. Hi other book "Your Body's Many Cries for Water" is very informative. Hope this helps.:)

I know what people might think straight away.... buy a new bed, but its not that i've had 3 and still suffer the same problems.

I'm absolutley fine during the day but when I go to sleep at night I wake up 7-8 times a night with shooting pains in my back and I feel like my insides are bruised and delicate. Its really painful but I cant help waking up as I want to turn over but then have massive pain with every movement.
Has anyone else suffered from symptons like this or does anyone have a clue what might be wrong.
My doctor just doesnt want to know, He's not very good and I severly dislike him. Any help will be appreciated thanks.